Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

BorneTobyWilde · 15-07-2012 05:44PM

Newcastle would be making fun of us forever if we sell him back to them for peanuts,
Plus i believe he only found his fitness and got settled at liverpool towards end of last season,
Plus we would be down a striker,
Seems to me we are selling big names to replace with 'who are ya's ''

DrumSteve · 15-07-2012 05:47PM

This season long loan stuff is mental... Why loan him to Newcastle of all places?

Kess73 · 15-07-2012 05:47PM

Eff off Newcastle. You already got a good laugh at how much we paid for the player, something at least one Newcastle official stated in public, now you want us to bend over with a loan deal?

donfers · 15-07-2012 05:48PM

delw wrote: »

SSN saying Newcastle make an offer for Andy Carroll on loan with view to permanent move

Edit: paddy kerins beat me to it

this "view to a permanent" thing has been bad for us in recent times with the aquilani experience

i can't see how we would agree to such a deal for the third successive summer, he does ****e there and we are lumbered with him and his value is way down, he does very well there and they have already agreed to pay a set price from him based on his current value which is quite low.....basically it is a lose lose for us

give us 20 million or go away

donfers · 15-07-2012 05:50PM

A Loan fee of 5 million, they pay all his wages for the year and an agreement to pay 20 million regardless of how he performs this season, 25 million if he scores more than 10 league goals and 30 million if he scores more than 15 league goals and i'd consider it

BorneTobyWilde · 15-07-2012 05:51PM

There is a hint a vibe around Liverpool that maybe the owners are making
decisions regarding likes of Carroll, While football people would see he's young, was unfit for most of last season,
Only turned corner at Anfield,

Turtyturd · 15-07-2012 05:55PM

donfers wrote: »

A Loan fee of 5 million,

Excited.

donfers wrote: »

they pay all his wages for the year and an agreement to pay 20 million regardless of how he performs this season,

Really excited.

donfers wrote: »

25 million if he scores more than 10 league goals and 30 million if he scores more than 15 league goals

Ecstatic.

donfers wrote: »

and i'd consider it

F*ck You.:pac:

smileyj1987 · 15-07-2012 05:56PM

donfers wrote: »

give us 20 million or go away

More like 35 of they want him back ,we can't be letting Mike Ashley get a player on the cheap . He has done enough of this over the last 1 and a half .

Shankly Gates · 15-07-2012 05:59PM

I'd be surprised if Andy would want to go back after finally finding form and the reception he got when we played at St James' this year.

stick-dan · 15-07-2012 06:03PM

It makes no sense, I'd rather have andy than be without him. We know we don't have a lot of money to spend, we've lost two attackers in Kuyt and Maxi, we've had 1 million in and approx 13 million out with regards to transfer kitty. If andy goes on loan, we're down another attacking player and we are tight on them as it is.

Makes zero sense to me.

If we actually have a kitty there that no-one know's about then tbh I dunno if i'm still ok with the idea, at this time we need to let the chap have a go and show what he do when brendan gives him a chance.

Whilst I have a lot of optimism for some of the younger boys who would seem to be on the verge of making the step up, to have them replacing premiership proven players such as the three mentioned above is a lot to ask and certainly a lot of pressure on them. Something is amiss here, because newcastle obviously have made an offer with some knowledge that he may be loaned or sold, and if thats the case and the owners are prepared to let him go there must be more money available, there must be.

donfers · 15-07-2012 06:04PM

word is we want to sell him permanently but he wants to go on loan to prove a point that he is good enough for us

thing is - he could have a great season for newcastle, bang in 25 goals and we would still not want him as he is not mobile enough to fit into rodger's system so not sure what he hopes to gain by going on loan

BorneTobyWilde · 15-07-2012 06:06PM

stick-dan wrote: »

It makes no sense, I'd rather have andy than be without him. We know we don't have a lot of money to spend, we've lost two attackers in Kuyt and Maxi, we've had 1 million in and approx 13 million out with regards to transfer kitty. If andy goes on loan, we're down another attacking player and we are tight on them as it is.

Makes zero sense to me.

If we actually have a kitty there that no-one know's about then tbh I dunno if i'm still ok with the idea, at this time we need to let the chap have a go and show what he do when brendan gives him a chance.

Whilst I have a lot of optimism for some of the younger boys who would seem to be on the verge of making the step up, to have them replacing premiership proven players such as the three mentioned above is a lot to ask and certainly a lot of pressure on them. Something is amiss here, because newcastle obviously have made an offer with some knowledge that he may be loaned or sold, and if thats the case and the owners are prepared to let him go there must be more money available, there must be.

They should have nothing to do with decisions like this,
But it seems they could, as anyone with football brain would see loaning him or selling him to newcastle as crazy,they are our rivals for european spot!!!!!!

donfers · 15-07-2012 06:12PM

the longer this summer goes on the more disasterous our business looks under comolli/dalglish

most of the players they signed currently have a value of less than 50% of what we paid for them which is some going for 12-18months, that of course followed on from hodgson's farcical buys and we really are a mess - the comolli/dalglish buys were more damaging because we spent big on young british players who all failed to deliver

CHAD = just under 80 million (about 100 million euros), it's just shocking really to think of what might have been done with that money in the german/dutch/french value markets

and yet we are still lumbered with CHAD, current value around 35 million and struggling to get rid of them except on loan deals, only henderson looks like retaining rodger's faith and possibly adam (although i'd like to see him put up for sale too)

really despite two cup finals comolli/dalglish can have no complaints really about their dismissals after wasting so much resources on average performers

qvsr46ofgc792k · 15-07-2012 06:16PM

Season long loans with a view to buy at the end and Liverpool FC do not mix well #learnfromyourmistakes

Tusky · 15-07-2012 06:19PM

If Newcastle offered £15m we should take it. It's irrelevant that they are the club we bought him off. It was a terrible bit of business regardless of where he goes.

The fact is, we can replace him with a better player who is more suited to our system and will score more goals for that money (£15m).

He was never a £35m player. He was never a £20m player. It's debatable if we was ever even a £15m player.

qvsr46ofgc792k · 15-07-2012 06:22PM

Tusky wrote: »

If Newcastle offered £15m we should take it. It's irrelevant that they are the club we bought him off. It was a terrible bit of business regardless of where he goes.

The fact is, we can replace him with a better player, who will score more goals and suits our system, for that money (£15m).

He was never a £35m player. He was never a £20m player. It's debatable if we was ever even a £15m player.

How about £10m and Ba?
Surely if Newcastle want him , they will have to re-structure there front line a bit?

donfers · 15-07-2012 06:28PM

Jazlynn Lively Handbag wrote: »

How about £10m and Ba?
Surely if Newcastle want him , they will have to re-structure there front line a bit?

to be honest i'd nearly take 10 million and Ba

I'd still expect us to sign another mobile attacker to play alongside suarez and borini but ba would be a good bench option

we should be aiming for around 20 million for carroll, did well at the euros and at the end of the season, is young and has plenty on his contract - people make out the guy to be much worse than he is because of the 35 million fee

unfortunately the fact that rodgers has made it clear he wants rid of him is going to do us no favours at the negotiating table

MD1990 · 15-07-2012 06:29PM

did we pay all of the 35M for Carroll upfront?

grohlisagod · 15-07-2012 06:30PM

Aren't Newcastle still after Luke de Jong? Why on earth would they want Carroll when they would already have 4 strikers when their best formation is 4-3-3?

Turtyturd · 15-07-2012 06:30PM

MD1990 wrote: »

did we pay all of the 35M for Carroll upfront?

Nope, it was paid in installments of Torres -15 million.;)

Limerick Dude · 15-07-2012 06:32PM

grohlisagod wrote: »

Aren't Newcastle still after Luke de Jong? Why on earth would they want Carroll when they would already have 4 strikers when their best formation is 4-3-3?

We have Ba and Cisse who could be both off to the ACON if Senegal beat Ivory Coast in the qualifier. Then we are left with the two Ameobis, Ranger, and Xisco:pac:

Would be a great bit of business for Newcastle, great plan B from the bench and he would help us through the ACON period.

Paully D · 15-07-2012 06:32PM

Very surprised at Newcastle making a move for Carroll.

They have moved on a lot from a couple of seasons ago when the gameplan was to get Barton to hit him with the ball at any given opportunity and for Nolan to run onto the flick ons and knock downs.

Then there's also the off the field incidents such as his car getting burnt out after getting on the wrong side of the wrong people, being out drinking at any given opportunity and so on.

The fans also turned on him a lot after the move and they way they went on indicates that they don't want to see him in a Newcastle shirt again.

All things considering it's a step back for them IMO.

That said, it is Newcastle so watch him go there and score 30 goals next season whilst firing them to Europe again. Fucking typical :mad: :pac:

Outkast_IRE · 15-07-2012 06:37PM

Is Carroll back training with the squad yet?
You would expect a few words from brendan on monday.

Tusky · 15-07-2012 06:44PM

donfers wrote: »

we should be aiming for around 20 million for carroll, did well at the euros and at the end of the season, is young and has plenty on his contract - people make out the guy to be much worse than he is because of the 35 million fee

His valuation at the start of 2010 season before he went on that six month scoring spell was less than £10m. He performed great for Newcastle up to Christmas, signed for us for £35m, and has done nothing since to prove he is worth any more than £10-15m.

People have to remember that the purple patch ended more than 18 months ago.

[edit] Should say I would be completely against a loan move.

murpho999 · 15-07-2012 06:50PM

'Loan' should be a dirty 4 letter word never used again at Anfield.

Have they not learnt from Aquilani and Joe Cole?

djPSB · 15-07-2012 06:55PM

West Ham would be the best place for Carroll if he does go on loan.

Playing in a system that plays to his strengths and he could move in with Kevin Nolan again.

Chucky the tree · 15-07-2012 06:56PM

murpho999 wrote: »

'Loan' should be a dirty 4 letter word never used again at Anfield.

Have they not learnt from Aquilani and Joe Cole?

What was wrong with the Joe Cole loan?

stick-dan · 15-07-2012 06:57PM

anyone watching suso play in the final?

murpho999 · 15-07-2012 06:59PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What was wrong with the Joe Cole loan?

That they haven't bought him and LFC still had to pay a lot of his wages.

djPSB · 15-07-2012 07:00PM

And just on his valuation.

Borini:
21 years old
one season in top flight football
9 league goals
Part of Italy squad at Euros but didn't feature
Value: £10m

Carroll:
23 years old
two seasons in top flight football
11 league goals in first season, 4 in the next
Part of the England squad for the Euros, played well when he featured.
Value: ?

How much more is Carroll worth than Borini???

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