Your favourite CIE/IR loco class ?

Itssoeasy · 26-06-2012 02:09PM #1

As the title says which loco class in either CIE/IR ownership was your favourite.

My favourite would be the 071s simply because they are the locos of my childhood and having gone Dublin alot in the mid to late nineties it was the one I saw most.

Cookie_Monster · 26-06-2012 10:17PM

I really don't get the 071 lovein everyone seems to have. They just look like overbuilt 141s to me...

K801 would have to be my fav, absolutly unique loco on Irish rails. Pity it had such a crappy end.

steamengine · 26-06-2012 11:08PM

Not exactly CIE although they fell into their ownership when GNR(I) was taken over. V and VS class 4-4-0 steam locomotives. They hauled the Enterprise when I was a kid. Merlin is one of the V's and survived fortunately - preserved by RPSI.

CaptainFreedom · 26-06-2012 11:20PM

steamengine wrote: »

Not exactly CIE although they fell into their ownership when GNR(I) was taken over. V and VS class 4-4-0 steam locomotives. They hauled the Enterprise when I was a kid. Merlin is one of the V's and survived fortunately - preserved by RPSI.

Not quite - preserved by the Ulster Folk and Transport museum (engine only, not the tender) Run by the RPSI who also own the boiler

Rud · 27-06-2012 01:33AM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

My favourite would be the 071s simply because they are the locos of my childhood and having gone Dublin alot in the mid to late nineties it was the one I saw most.

121s are probably my favourite class but 071s are seriously close second.Like yourself they were the main traction i got to travel behind in the 90s alongside the 201s and now i enjoy seeing them on the freights and the sound of them is like music to me especially 082

Run_to_da_hills · 27-06-2012 09:30AM

A's were my favorite, more so for the sound of them.

corktina · 27-06-2012 10:04AM

G601

end of the road · 27-06-2012 10:05PM

corktina wrote: »

G601

does she run?

09-07-2012 01:20AM

I actually like the 201s... *awaits severe slapping*

I guess they're the locos I remember most from my rail travel between Tralee and Dublin before I ever took the hobby seriously. Before I knew anything about them I used to notice the river nameplates on the side after getting off in Heuston or Tralee and wonder which one I'd see next. I often wondered why I never saw River Liffey at the time, now I know (being an Enterprise loco).

Nice bit of power in them too.

Judgement Day · 09-07-2012 07:27AM

end of the road wrote: »

does she run?

Not recently.
http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/ITG_locos/loco_601.htm

Always had a soft spot for the A (Ahhhhhhh) class myself. Magnificent beasts that refused to die.

Lined up in an invasion fleet like a locomotive version of a cyberman!

lord lucan · 09-07-2012 09:49AM

Always loved the 121's. Grew up seeing them double headed hauling a rake of MKII's on the Sligo,a very unique looking loco,in this part of the world anyway.

steamengine · 09-07-2012 10:28AM

Karsini wrote: »

I actually like the 201s... *hear the sustained clapping* ::D

I guess they're the locos I remember most from my rail travel between Tralee and Dublin before I ever took the hobby seriously. Before I knew anything about them I used to notice the river nameplates on the side after getting off in Heuston or Tralee and wonder which one I'd see next. I often wondered why I never saw River Liffey at the time, now I know (being an Enterprise loco).

Nice bit of power in them too.

FYP

Sligo Quay · 09-07-2012 02:46PM

Inchicore sulzers, unique beasts, 1100 and 1101, then they got the CIE numbers B113 and B114.

Millem · 09-07-2012 06:41PM

lord lucan wrote: »

Always loved the 121's. Grew up seeing them double headed hauling a rake of MKII's on the Sligo,a very unique looking loco,in this part of the world anyway.

Have to agree - the 121s were my favorite loco. Brings back fantastic memories of holidaying in rosslare strand in the early to mid 90s and getting a pair of 121s and MK2s down from Connolly. Great times...

We stayed in holiday homes just beside the junction, added bonus was seeing the morning & evening Waterford trains too

dowlingm · 09-07-2012 08:52PM

just for interest - how many Mk3PP coaches (including DVT) would a single 121 be reasonably able to move?

Oscar Bravo · 09-07-2012 09:57PM

And another question lol,when did the p/pulls get the InterCity logo put on the side of them and when did they start useing them on Intercity services to the South and West Ex Heuston albeit with a gen van rather than a DVT. Lovely photo btw.

09-07-2012 10:07PM

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

And another question lol,when did the p/pulls get the InterCity logo put on the side of them and when did they start useing them on Intercity services to the South and West Ex Heuston albeit with a gen van rather than a DVT. Lovely photo btw.

I think the hauled push-pulls, as they were known (running push-pull coaches with an EGV instead of the DVT), were a late inception. The EGVs were only originally capable of working the standard Mark 3s but some were later modified to work push-pull coaches and the Cú na Mara set.

I'm stumped as to dowlingm's question - I don't know enough about the 121s.

I couldn't see them handling the full six piece very well though.

Captain Chaos · 09-07-2012 10:53PM

dowlingm wrote: »

just for interest - how many Mk3PP coaches (including DVT) would a single 121 be reasonably able to move?

The Mk3 PP could operate as a set of 5 plus the DVT max, as that's all the genny in the DVT could power. A 121 with a full length rush hour loaded Mk3 set would struggle and often did on the northern line. A 3+DVT would be ideal for a 121 with the constant stopping and starting on that commuter run.

Oscar Bravo · 09-07-2012 11:03PM

The hauled MK3 P/P operated Loco+Gen Van+5 63XX coaches. When 6402(Cafe/Bar) was used it had to be located the opposite end of the Gen Van.

Judgement Day · 09-07-2012 11:47PM

A single 121 managed 10 bogies (Cravens + misc timber bodied stock) on the IRRS "Sea Breezes Express" to Youghal in 1985.

09-07-2012 11:52PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

A single 121 managed 10 bogies (Cravens + misc timber bodied stock) on the IRRS "Sea Breezes Express" to Youghal in 1985.

There's also a clip of a 121 hauling a large number of coaches in the original Teilifís Éireann national anthem closedown from the early '60s. Not sure how many but it's at least eight.

Losty Dublin · 09-07-2012 11:56PM

The 121's and Mark 3 PP's were used as a stopgap measure at the time, pending the tendering and order of what became both the 201 class locomotive and 2600 class railcars. Back then, there were spare mark 3's available but also a severe shortage of suitable trains for suburban trains, a market Irish Rail wanted to expand. As railcars weren't available as an immediate option, the spare mark 3's were designed and fitted out for suburban services, with the intention to cascade them onto longer suburban trips and some inter city trips.

Consideration was given to using the 001 class was given but with their lack of an air brake and poor reliability and the 121's single cab being more suited for push pull work, a few sets were fitted to work the PP sets until new motive power arrived to replace them. As it happens, the need for carriages saw to it that the PP never really got moved of suburban links while the Cravens they should have replaced almost outlasted them.

Losty Dublin · 09-07-2012 11:58PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

A single 121 managed 10 bogies (Cravens + misc timber bodied stock) on the IRRS "Sea Breezes Express" to Youghal in 1985.

That was only Cravens; they weighed about 3 lb 8 ounces each

Itssoeasy · 10-07-2012 12:20AM

The 121s had a unique look that I was assume was strange for people in 1962. Can anyone name the last 121 to be returned to service after fitting them to run in multiple ?

end of the road · 10-07-2012 12:38AM

071s or 141s as their the ones i remember 071s i having more experience of pulling the mark 2s and sometimes cravens on the trains from wexford, if only i hadn't preyed for them to go and end up with them 2700 heaps of junk replacing them and me lamenting the old stock and hoping they would come back naively, oh well.

10-07-2012 12:45AM

end of the road wrote: »

071s or 141s as their the ones i remember 071s i having more experience of pulling the mark 2s and sometimes cravens on the trains from wexford, if only i hadn't preyed for them to go and end up with them 2700 heaps of junk replacing them and me lamenting the old stock and hoping they would come back naively, oh well.

I was the same. Hated the Cravens when they were on the Kerry road due to their dire state at times, then missed them when the 2700s came in.

end of the road · 10-07-2012 01:52AM

i remember one time getting a set of blue cravens? the doors from the hall way were timber doors the same as the toilet doors and they opened into the carrige unlike the normal ones which the doors opened out. lights didn't seem to work or weren't turned on the time i was on that particular set. anyone any ideas?

Cookie_Monster · 10-07-2012 01:58AM

end of the road wrote: »

i remember one time getting a set of blue cravens? the doors from the hall way were timber doors the same as the toilet doors and they opened into the carrige unlike the normal ones which the doors opened out. lights didn't seem to work or weren't turned on the time i was on that particular set. anyone any ideas?

the RPSI cravens are blue but would not have been on regular mainline duty...

end of the road · 10-07-2012 03:34AM

yeh its strange all right, this was a good while before the cravens were with-drawn though, during one of the times the community games were on if i remember rightly.

flyingsnail · 10-07-2012 12:08PM

NIR Mk 2 perhaps
http://rfe.railclub.ru/pix/ie/car/NIR/nir_mk2b_912_cd.jpg

gobnaitolunacy · 10-07-2012 12:22PM

Sligo Quay wrote: »

Inchicore sulzers, unique beasts, 1100 and 1101, then they got the CIE numbers B113 and B114.

There's a reason they were unique, they were rubbish! An absolute nightmare to drive by all accounts, definitely unloved by drivers.

Your favourite CIE/IR loco class ?

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