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Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

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  • #182
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Shenshen wrote: »
    How do you police the net at all?

    Good question :( but I don't think letting them watch whatever is a solution either.
    Shenshen wrote: »
    Education is the only practical option, I think.

    I agree 100%


  • #183
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    LordSmeg wrote: »
    They probably would be classed as niche markets I suppose but ad em all together and you have something pretty big. I'd say the fetish/bondage stuff on its own is probably pretty substantial.

    Yeah, probally... though fetish/bondage could almost be described as a separate entity altogether , almost fantasy like ?


  • #184
    Daveysil15
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    mattjack wrote: »
    Yeah, probally... though fetish/bondage could almost be described as a separate entity altogether , almost fantasy like ?

    A lot of this is fantasy anyway. Just the same as women fantasize over a handsome man sweeping them off their feet while watching a rom-com. Porn may give men unrealistic expectations about sex, but you could argue that rom-coms give women unrealistic expectations about relationships and life in general.

    Have women been heavily influenced by Sex and the city? Do women act like glorified whores after watching this, or is it just a fantasy - a form of escapism?


  • #185
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    mattjack wrote: »
    Yeah, probally... though fetish/bondage could almost be described as a separate entity altogether , almost fantasy like ?

    I dont want to go into too much detail in case I accidentally sound like I know what I'm talking about. :o

    I suppose fetish really describes a lot of harmless stuff too. Lickin feet and smelling farts and what have ya. But the bondage part seems pretty big to me, fantasy too but still sexual violence. Seems that way to me anyway, I dont know if its in the same category as what was mentioned before though seeing as its not aimed at degrading a woman, or is it ?

    I dunno. I'm bailing out before I get the old "You seem to know an awful lot about smellin farts, lickin feet and gettin your arse reddened with a ping pong paddle!".

    Time to head for shore.


  • #186
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    M_Bovary wrote: »
    Shenshen wrote: »
    Why would you assume only men watch porn?
    I can guarantee you that this female here loves watching a bit, and I know for a fact that all my female friends do.

    The only assumption was on your part. I didn't assume that women don't watch pornography, but I know that it is more common for men to watch it. With this in mind it is fair to say that a lot more pornography is targeted at a male audience, and the misogynistic element is something which pornography producers believe appeals to a male audience.

    Describe the misogynistic elements?


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  • #187
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    A lot of this is fantasy anyway. Just the same as women fantasize over a handsome man sweeping them off their feet while watching a rom-com. Porn may give men unrealistic expectations about sex, but you could argue that rom-coms give women unrealistic expectations about relationships and life in general.

    Have women been heavily influenced by Sex and the city? Do women act like glorified whores after watching this, or is it just a fantasy - a form of escapism?

    Unless you're married to a porn star, not that I am ..


  • #188
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Have women been heavily influenced by Sex and the city?

    I know a few who have :pac: well not so much since the recession kicked in.


  • #189
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    prinz wrote: »
    Daveysil15 wrote: »
    Have women been heavily influenced by Sex and the city?

    I know a few who have :pac: well not so much since the recession kicked in.

    Well there's one positive to the recession!


  • #190
    mitosis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭mitosis


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    gang rape porn is all over the internet,torture porn etc,its everywhere..


    I must not be looking in the right places...........


  • #191
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    there are themes of rape and torture porn in a lot of them now,and people can go look obviously the snuff rape/murder stuff would be harder to find,and you could get a conviction for it too..


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  • #192
    mrduffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭mrduffy


    the parents or guardians should have been convicted in this case they provided a service not fit for the kid in the civilised europe.


  • #193
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    People are personally responsible for whatever they do. Society is responsible for creating a climate whereby people are widely regarded as sexual objects rather than human beings. A huge and significant part of that climate is pornography.


  • #194
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    the parents or guardians should have been convicted in this case they provided a service not fit for the kid in the civilised europe.
    no i think that lets the kid off the hook,and whos going to be the guardian in the meantime,just chuck them into care?more cost to the state..


  • #195
    Eggy Baby!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Eggy Baby!


    M_Bovary wrote: »
    Pornography usually seems to have a very strong misogynistic vibe.

    I agree with you somewhat here, but there is also "Porn for ladies" that is straight.
    It also illustrates the deep insecurity within the psyche of these men.

    ..but no. That's honestly a load of crap. People from all walks of life watch and enjoy porn. What happens if women watch porn? Are they insecure too?

    How are men insecure from watching sexually gratifying videos/pictures? Is it not natural? By your logic, to sate sexual desire in general makes a person insecure. So everybody who has sex is insecure?

    Have you ever watched porn? Does that make you insecure?
    Society is responsible for creating a climate whereby people are widely regarded as sexual objects rather than human beings. A huge and significant part of that climate is pornography.

    Come on. As if people were never viewed as sex objects before pornography took off.


  • #196
    mrduffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭mrduffy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    no i think that lets the kid off the hook,and whos going to be the guardian in the meantime,just chuck them into care?more cost to the state..

    a little girl has lost her life at 5 and may never full fill her potential in school, relationships or be a stable mother with her own children. This will cost state more in the long term.

    If parents had been convicted a lot of parents would check the history of what child is looking at on internet or installed software that restricts over 18 content ! the child got off and it will only lead to more and less awareness


  • #197
    validusername1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭validusername1


    the person who does the raping is to blame, not porn. it's not porn's fault that certain people are so sick. back in the days before the internet and things of that sort when porn wasn't as popular/didn't exist, i'm sure rapes still happened a lot. what did they try to blame then??
    it's the rapist's fault, end of


  • #198
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I know and understand that rape and murder has always been there,but what im talking about is the casual disregard these children have to set up gang rape initiations..Something is going wrong..


  • #199
    mrduffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 169 ✭✭mrduffy


    validusername1 wrote: »
    the person who does the raping is to blame, not porn. it's not porn's fault that certain people are so sick. back in the days before the internet and things of that sort when porn wasn't as popular/didn't exist, i'm sure rapes still happened a lot. what did they try to blame then??
    it's the rapist's fault, end of

    I agree the rapist is at fault and should be charged some one has to be charged for this crime it must be offal for that girl and her family


  • #200
    blacklilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    This kid that rapped the 5year old is exactly that....a kid,yes we could argue that at his age he should know / understand right from wrong. However if his viewing of porn was his first experience into sexuality / sex then it is not illogical to say that porn may have somehow warped his mind. If he was watching porn which was based around the "fantasy" of rough sex / forced sex then in his mind consciously or not this may seem somewhat normal.
    These scenes may have aroused him and therefore he tried to re enact the scene he witnessed to gain arousel.
    Porn can have a negative impact on adults never mind minors anyone who suggests that there are no negative side effects of viewing porn is mistaken.
    Im not saying porn is necessarily bad but for certain people it may lead them to carry out acts they otherwise wouldn't.


  • #201
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    The little s**tbag should have got 10 years. I don't buy this he is only a kid nonsense. Most 14 year olds know right from wrong. Anyway the fact that he raped a 5 year old means he is likely a pedophile and jail or 6 feet under is the best place for them.


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  • #202
    Nodin
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    there are themes of rape and torture porn in a lot of them now,and people can go look obviously the snuff rape/murder stuff would be harder to find,and you could get a conviction for it too..

    More vague nonsense.
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    I know and understand that rape and murder has always been there,but what im talking about is the casual disregard these children have to set up gang rape initiations..Something is going wrong..

    So its always been happening but hasn't really. You make an awful lot of equivocal statements.


  • #203
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    No,i havent been saying its happening but its not,read exactly what i have said for a start back through the threads:

    there are themes of rape and torture porn in a lot of them now,and people can go look obviously the snuff rape/murder stuff would be harder to find,and you could get a conviction for it too..

    More vague nonsense.


    no its not vague nonsense,how is it nonsense?there are themes in porn and some of them are very negative,ie gang rape and so on..


  • #204
    [Deleted User]
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    I dunno if it's already been said but fair play to the mother for criticising the judge. Such a cheap thing for the judge to say and pay heed to.


  • #205
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm satisfied it was impulsive and I believe you have become sexualised by your exposure to and the corruption of pornography.

    Yeah like I'm sure that no 14 year old boy or girl has ever had any sexual feelings whatsoever until pornography came along. There's no words.


  • #206
    Scanlas The 2nd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Scanlas The 2nd


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    No,i havent been saying its happening but its not,read exactly what i have said for a start back through the threads:

    there are themes of rape and torture porn in a lot of them now,and people can go look obviously the snuff rape/murder stuff would be harder to find,and you could get a conviction for it too..


    More vague nonsense.


    no its not vague nonsense,how is it nonsense?there are themes in porn and some of them are very negative,ie gang rape and so on..

    I watch my fair share of porn and I've never seen gang rape. Are you confusing gang rape with a gang bang which is completely consensual.


  • #207
    wonderfulname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    I know and understand that rape and murder has always been there,but what im talking about is the casual disregard these children have to set up gang rape initiations..Something is going wrong..
    You keep saying this but you never gave us any reason to believe it to be the case.


  • #208
    philologos
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    validusername1 wrote: »
    the person who does the raping is to blame, not porn. it's not porn's fault that certain people are so sick. back in the days before the internet and things of that sort when porn wasn't as popular/didn't exist, i'm sure rapes still happened a lot. what did they try to blame then??
    it's the rapist's fault, end of

    Nobody is saying that the rapist isn't entirely at fault. However, to shrug the impact of pornography on society in respect to how we view people is another issue. I'm of the mindset that it is very destructive to view people as mere sex objects rather than people in fullness. To say that it doesn't impact peoples philosophies about sexuality is absurd.

    A controversial opinion this may be, but I think the world would be a lot better off without it.


  • #209
    strobe
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    christmas2012 wrote: »
    ok i know there were jack the ripper rapists about,but what im saying is that the way porn is peddled now,everyone seems to be getting in on videotaping it and it changes our attitudes to sex..
    Much more likely the result of almost everyone having access to cheap portable video recording equipment such as thier mobile phones or digital cameras, than porn.

    Ban video recording devices I say!


  • #210
    Eggy Baby!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Eggy Baby!


    Nobody is saying that the rapist isn't entirely at fault. However, to shrug the impact of pornography on society in respect to how we view people is another issue. I'm of the mindset that it is very destructive to view people as mere sex objects rather than people in fullness. To say that it doesn't impact peoples philosophies about sexuality is absurd.

    Like I said, people were treated like sex objects long before pornography. Brothels, prostitution and harems are as old as the hills. Rape existed long before picture capturing software or video recorders. Those dirty serfs! Watching porn and then raping women! Oh wait, they couldn't, because they lived a thousand years ago.


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  • #211
    philologos
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    Eggy Baby! wrote: »
    Nobody is saying that the rapist isn't entirely at fault. However, to shrug the impact of pornography on society in respect to how we view people is another issue. I'm of the mindset that it is very destructive to view people as mere sex objects rather than people in fullness. To say that it doesn't impact peoples philosophies about sexuality is absurd.

    Like I said, people were treated like sex objects long before pornography. Brothels, prostitution and harems are as old as the hills. Rape existed long before picture capturing software or video recorders. Those dirty serfs! Watching porn and then raping women! Oh wait, they couldn't, because they lived a thousand years ago.

    I never said it wasn't. In fact I firmly believe the old saying "there's nothing new under the sun". But just because other people did these kinds of things and promoted them doesn't mean that they are right or healthy.

    I guess it comes down to what do you base your life on. My foundational beliefs tell me that humans are far more precious than we can ever hope or dream to imagine and that humans are worthy of dignity and respect.

    I think all the things you listed are equally abhorrent. I long for a day when we can break free from the tyranny that sexual objectification has to offer and pursue meaningful loving relationships instead.


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