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Pornography to blame for girls rape in todays society?Change of culture?Your thoughts

  • 05-07-2012 04:55PM
    #1
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    The 14 year–old, who was a family friend and neighbour, had been asked to look after the girl. He tied an apron round her face and performed a sex act on her.

    The girl later told her father that the teenager led her to believe he was going to feed her a chocolate.

    The victim's mother, who said her daugher "knows what happened was something horrible", has now criticised the judge for "making a cheap point about pornography" in sentencing.

    She believes the sentence "just isn't enough", adding it sent the "wrong message to people - that you can do something like that a get such a light punishment".

    "The judge was more concerned with justifying the sentence by making a cheap point about pornography. It was really cheap to use that as an excuse for what the boy did," she said.

    “The sentence isn’t enough. He should be punished. His family were told to expect a three-year custodial sentence so we were shocked when he didn’t get one.




    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9377605/Parents-anger-as-child-rapist-walks-free-as-judge-blames-pornography.html


    Here is another link:


    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html


    also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?


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  • #2
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    The individual should always take responsibility.


  • #3
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,898 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9377605/Parents-anger-as-child-rapist-walks-free-as-judge-blames-pornography.html


    Here is another link:


    http://www.irishcentral.com/news/16-year-old-girl-allegedly-gang-raped-for-6-hours-in-Cork-and-Limerick-139631163.html


    also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

    I think its more reported, now than it was in the past. And there are more humans on the planet so more chance for weirdos in the world.

    We seem to have an obsession with disregarding personal responsibility there is always 'a reason' why some people are broken. Genetics surely has some part to play.


  • #4
    Brianna Miniature Showboat
    Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Brianna Miniature Showboat


    yeah i'm sure rape never existed in the past ever


  • #5
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I do note though there is a change in culture,it seems to produce a lot more shallow people,who only care about media,and porn,years ago it used to be innocent enough reading magazines to get your thrillls now its pornography,video taping sex,which a lot of kids do now,they video tape their gang rapes,is it where they could get their ideas,if they are that way minded?


  • #6
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    Porn has about as much to do with rape as video games do with mass violence IMO.

    Watching porn =/= potential rapist.


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  • #7
    analucija
    Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭analucija


    And computer games or movies cause violence... I think it is ridiculous to blame porn or similar and has a lot more to do with the fact that sexual education is still very limited.


  • #8
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Porn invented sex.

    Mortal Kombat invented rape.


  • #9
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    also another piece which you might find interesting,is that there is a rise in gang rape in ireland,is this a new phenomenon or is it just more reported?and is porn to blame for all this,should the individual take criminal responsiblity?

    i dont see anything about gang rape on the rise in that article... not disputing it either just saying is all.

    i think porn may desensitise some young adults into treating women badly or give them an expectation of what sex should be but not encourage them to rape people imo. Porn maybe like alcohol most of the users handle it responsibly but some do not, same could be said for violent movies, video games... just a cop out really.

    anyways rapists have been around alot longer than the internet porn ect and probably happened more frequently in years gone before too.


  • #10
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭leggo


    Porn and video games just give sick cnuts different ideas on how to unleash their sickness. They're not a cause so much as an influence along the way.


  • #11
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I blame Gangsta' Rap for everything


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  • #12
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    .........which a lot of kids do now,they video tape their gang rapes........

    So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??


  • #13
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..


  • #14
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The case proves that the judge is a dick more than it proves anything else.


  • #15
    KenSwee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭KenSwee


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    The individual should always take responsibility.

    Absolutely. Do the crime, do the time.
    Along with access to porn is massive access on what is right and wrong in this world.
    There is no excuse for lack or self control or ignorance in this day and age.


  • #16
    Bobby Baccala
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I blame Gangsta' Rap for everything

    Aint nothin to it, gangsta rap made me do it.


  • #17
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??


    what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..


  • #18
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Porn though is sexualising our children and young teenagers,there is a pressure out there to have sex at an early age,and to be seen as the one who scores a lot,i know a lot of this you could say has been around,but porn does change our behaviour to sex..

    Yeah, 20 years ago when I was a boy there was none of this.

    Or...there was. Loads of it.


  • #19
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    If there were such a link, I'm sure Japan would have vastly different statistics than it does.


  • #20
    Jaxxy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    I Heart Internet wrote: »
    So that's what "a lot of kids" are doing these days, huh? Sure you're not over exaggerating there??


    what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..

    Rapists have initiations now? :confused:

    Do they have clubs?


  • #21
    PseudoFamous
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    what im saying is that a lot of them THAT PARTICIPATE in gang rape do videotape it on their iphones and mobile cameras,that picture taking seems to be part of the rape initiation..

    How would you know this? In fact, I don't think gang rape is even used as a gang initiation (activity? wtf do you even call it?) in Ireland


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  • #22
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..


  • #23
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

    And your evidence (apart from the ridiculous Examiner piece a few weeks back)?


  • #24
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

    You can't make a statement like that without backing it up.....


  • #25
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

    seriously dude, discussion is one thing and hysteria is another. i'm not disputing its on the rise but back it up with some links or facts just deciding its happening will only lead to piss taking and rightfully so ;)


  • #26
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Jaxxy wrote: »
    Do they have clubs?
    The first rule of rape club is you're not allows talk about rape club!


  • #27
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,248 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

    you should have no problem providing plenty of links for this highly reported and common crime then.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #28
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Irish judges are very aware of pornography (especially of the kiddie kind)....

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/irish-government-moves-to-impeach-judge-over-child-porn-allegations-6169403.html

    Do google it a little more, but a warning - the case won't cheer you up.


  • #29
    I Heart Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭I Heart Internet


    davet82 wrote: »
    seriously dude, discussion is one thing and hysteria is another. i'm not disputing its on the rise but back it up with some links or facts just deciding its happening will only lead to piss taking and rightfully so ;)

    The teens are into that nowadays as well :D


  • #30
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Its becoming a lot more common or a lot more reported,but gangbanging seems to be the thing with young teens now..

    Sources?


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  • #31
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    I think it's absolutely idiotic to pretend that the ease of access and proliferation of hardcore porn being consumed by younger people often times in puberty, sometimes before it, on mobile phones, unmonitored computers etc does not have an affect on them.

    It doesn't make them all a rapist, or anything of the sort, but it's ridiculous to suggest to doesn't influence attitudes and perceptions. Adults are easily manipulated through the media, yet for some reason many people refuse to accept that young people awash with hormones and oftentimes confused enough about sex and sexuality as it is, could be influenced by porn.


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