Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Why cinemas can go to hell, and I will pirate [** MOD WARNING IN OP **]

  • 22-06-2012 11:48AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭


    So for over a year, I've become increasingly disillusioned with one of my favourite past times, hitting up the cinema for the latest film release. With the drop in film quality and rise in prices, the cinema has become less a fun trip and more a source of annoyance. Last night was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    I arrived in Vue in Liffey Valley to see Prometheus, a film I'd been looking forward to for months. Due to a busy work life and other commitments, I'd been unable to see the film until now.

    The first thing that annoyed me was that I was unable to see the film in traditional 2D. Frankly, I find 3D to be a gimmick. A gimmick that almost always is an annoyance that detracts from the film experience. There's a loss of depth of field in some scenes, visual confusion as your eyes try to figure out what is going on, and the continuing problem with the darkness of the picture. And almost every 3D film I've seen has proven to look infinitely better upon second viewing in 2D. So for me, given the choice, I'll watch 2D.

    And here's the first problem. Almost every cinema I looked at the listings for, either didn't give you the option of 2D, or had final 2D showings during the day. Post 5pm, it's 3D or nothing. You want choice? Fuck you. It's our way, or no way. Second problem. I went up to the desk to purchase the tickets. Two regular tickets, no premium bullshit seats. No extras. No popcorn. No drinks. Nothing but the damn seat tickets. My jaw hit the floor when I was charged €27.80. Almost thirty euros for two tickets. 'Wait, I have brought 3D glasses with me. I don't need to purchase any more.' I was told that I had no choice. The glasses were a mandatory charge. This further annoyed me. However, I paid the price as I was damned if I was waiting any longer to see the film. But the annoyance didn't stop there.

    We were forced to sit through 25 minutes of ads and trailers, followed by the cinema blasting me with an ad for the damn cinema I was already sitting in. Then, a short presentation about the films coming out I had just seen the trailers for. At one point I lost my patience and futilely yelled 'GET ON WITH IT' into the darkness. Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, and my questioning as to why I'd bought a ticket to a screening of trailers (I'd almost forgotten I was in the cinema to see a film), the film began.

    But this is where I draw the line. I don't want to be ripped off any longer. Two more films will drag me to the cinema this year. The Dark Knight Rises and The Hobbit. Thankfully, only one of those will be 3D. I may even pay the price for admission to The Master when that is released. But no more. I'm done with the big cinema chains. What I will say is that I'm glad that there is The IFI and The Lighthouse. Despite their flaws, at least they offer something different.

    So I'm going to continue to download films. I'd always been more than willing to pay for a film in the cinema. I used to go once a week, no matter what crap I was seeing. The whole experience was worth it. But the pricing thing has just become ridiculous. I don't want premium seats. I don't want 3D. If I'm forced to see it, I don't want to have to pay extra for glasses. I've too many pairs already, as it is. The price of admission alone is already extortionate.

    I know the arguments against torrenting. Frankly, some of them are ridiculous. The movie industry is unfathomably profitable. When films are pulling in over a billion dollars, any claim that piracy is hurting the industry are farcical. So from now on, I'll wait a few weeks extra for most films. I'll download the film and watch it on my own premium seat in my living room. With my own fresh food. And in two fucking dimensions. Congratulations, film industry. Your attempt to bring the audience back to the cinema have driven me away from it.


    MOD WARNING:

    No discussion of where and how to illegally download copyrighted content. Doing so will result in a ban.

    No boasting/bragging about how you watch illegally downloaded copyrighted content. Doing so will result in a ban.

    If you can't discuss the merits of cinemagoing versus piracy without doing either of the above, then please refrain from posting in this thread.


«13456713

Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    I like the cinema experience
    I like the 3D
    I don't like guys talking during the show or trailers.
    I won't miss you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    Why did you need two seats for yourself??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Stuck Cone wrote: »
    Why did you need two seats for yourself??

    One for me, one for the ball of rage that built up with the experience.

    Actual answer- I went with my girlfriend.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 KiethM89


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    So for over a year, I've become increasingly disillusioned with one of my favourite past times, hitting up the cinema for the latest film release. With the drop in film quality and rise in prices, the cinema has become less a fun trip and more a source of annoyance. Last night was the straw that broke the camel's back.

    I arrived in Vue in Liffey Valley to see Prometheus, a film I'd been looking forward to for months. Due to a busy work life and other commitments, I'd been unable to see the film until now.

    The first thing that annoyed me was that I was unable to see the film in traditional 2D. Frankly, I find 3D to be a gimmick. A gimmick that almost always is an annoyance that detracts from the film experience. There's a loss of depth of field in some scenes, visual confusion as your eyes try to figure out what is going on, and the continuing problem with the darkness of the picture. And almost every 3D film I've seen has proven to look infinitely better upon second viewing in 2D. So for me, given the choice, I'll watch 2D.

    And here's the first problem. Almost every cinema I looked at the listings for, either didn't give you the option of 2D, or had final 2D showings during the day. Post 5pm, it's 3D or nothing. You want choice? Fuck you. It's our way, or no way. Second problem. I went up to the desk to purchase the tickets. Two regular tickets, no premium bullshit seats. No extras. No popcorn. No drinks. Nothing but the damn seat tickets. My jaw hit the floor when I was charged €27.80. Almost thirty euros for two tickets. 'Wait, I have brought 3D glasses with me. I don't need to purchase any more.' I was told that I had no choice. The glasses were a mandatory charge. This further annoyed me. However, I paid the price as I was damned if I was waiting any longer to see the film. But the annoyance didn't stop there.

    We were forced to sit through 25 minutes of ads and trailers, followed by the cinema blasting me with an ad for the damn cinema I was already sitting in. Then, a short presentation about the films coming out I had just seen the trailers for. At one point I lost my patience and futilely yelled 'GET ON WITH IT' into the darkness. Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, and my questioning as to why I'd bought a ticket to a screening of trailers (I'd almost forgotten I was in the cinema to see a film), the film began.

    But this is where I draw the line. I don't want to be ripped off any longer. Two more films will drag me to the cinema this year. The Dark Knight Rises and The Hobbit. Thankfully, only one of those will be 3D. I may even pay the price for admission to The Master when that is released. But no more. I'm done with the big cinema chains. What I will say is that I'm glad that there is The IFI and The Lighthouse. Despite their flaws, at least they offer something different.

    So I'm going to continue to download films. I'd always been more than willing to pay for a film in the cinema. I used to go once a week, no matter what crap I was seeing. The whole experience was worth it. But the pricing thing has just become ridiculous. I don't want premium seats. I don't want 3D. If I'm forced to see it, I don't want to have to pay extra for glasses. I've too many pairs already, as it is. The price of admission alone is already extortionate.

    I know the arguments against torrenting. Frankly, some of them are ridiculous. The movie industry is unfathomably profitable. When films are pulling in over a billion dollars, any claim that piracy is hurting the industry are farcical. So from now on, I'll wait a few weeks extra for most films. I'll download the film and watch it on my own premium seat in my living room. With my own fresh food. And in two fucking dimensions. Congratulations, film industry. Your attempt to bring the audience back to the cinema have driven me away from it.


    c3e.jpg


    I ain't reading all that !!


    Joke :P ... Cinemas in Ireland have already gone to hell! They are an expensive rip off, they extort revenue both from the viewer and from advertisers. They are extracting an enormous amount of income from advertising and yet they still have the gall to charge 15 squids for a seat and force you to buy shoddy glasses and sit in an unclean environment. I agree with you, and I'm voting with my feet. No more will I ever grace the doorway of another cinema.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18 KiethM89


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    The movie industry is unfathomably profitable.

    When films are pulling in over a billion dollars, any claim that piracy is hurting the industry are farcical.

    So from now on, I'll wait a few weeks extra for most films.

    I'll download the film and watch it on my own premium seat in my living room. With my own fresh food.

    Congratulations, film industry. Your attempt to bring the audience back to the cinema have driven me away from it.


    +1 to all of that


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,147 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Just curious, if you don't like 3D why do you have so many pairs of 3d glasses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    One for me, one for the ball of rage that built up with the experience.

    Actual answer- I went with my girlfriend.

    I believe ya :cool:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's a vicious circle, really.

    A cinema is a business and the more people that pirate stuff, like I and a lot of others do, then they're obviously going to have to look to other means to raise money. This is done by those mandatory charges for things like 3D tickets (the cinemas themselves only keep a small fraction of the sale of a ticket - I remember when Up! was first released here, Pixar were looking for something like 60%-70% of the sale to go back to them in the first week) and the 20-25 minutes of advertisements.

    Yes, the movie industry makes billions each year, but that's worldwide. The more you pirate, the more you damage the actual cinema industry. The more it's damaged, the more it'll have to raise it's prices.

    I pirate sometimes, but I still love going to see a movie in a cinema.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Kolido wrote: »
    Just curious, if you don't like 3D why do you have so many pairs of 3d glasses?

    Because a great deal of the films I've wanted to see recently had no choice when it came to 3 or 2D. The Prometheus scenario is one that has been repeated over the last year. I want to see, for example, Avengers in the cinema. No choice but 3D. Forced to get glasses. Brought 'em home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    thats why I have nothing but praise for Showtime in Limerick, tickets are €9.00. 3D is no extra cost, the glasses are €1 and you can bring them again yourself. its all digital, 7.1 sound in all screens. they play maybe 3-4 ads and at least 3-4 trailers before every movie, including a really nice dolby digital demo trailer. I like seeing trailers so that doesnt bother me in the slightest. the 3D only option can be a pain alright, had to see Prometheus in 3D but they usually have a 2D option for most stuff.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 954 ✭✭✭caff


    Cineworld ticket 20 a month, easy. Though I do not like their 3D tax.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Because a great deal of the films I've wanted to see recently had no choice when it came to 3 or 2D. The Prometheus scenario is one that has been repeated over the last year. I want to see, for example, Avengers in the cinema. No choice but 3D. Forced to get glasses. Brought 'em home.

    pirates-of-the-caribbean-johnny-depp-orlando-bloom.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,147 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Because a great deal of the films I've wanted to see recently had no choice when it came to 3 or 2D. The Prometheus scenario is one that has been repeated over the last year. I want to see, for example, Avengers in the cinema. No choice but 3D. Forced to get glasses. Brought 'em home.


    Ok fair enough. I haven't been to the cinema to watch a 3d movie, I was under the impression you just hire the glasses and return them after the movie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Did shouting at the screen help? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    Just because you don't like the cinema is not a justification for piracy. You can just wait for the DVD/Blu Ray.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    It's a vicious circle, really.

    A cinema is a business and the more people that pirate stuff, like I and a lot of others do, then they're obviously going to have to look to other means to raise money. This is done by those mandatory charges for things like 3D tickets (the cinemas themselves only keep a small fraction of the sale of a ticket - I remember when Up! was first released here, Pixar were looking for something like 60%-70% of the sale to go back to them in the first week) and the 20-25 minutes of advertisements.

    Yes, the movie industry makes billions each year, but that's worldwide. The more you pirate, the more you damage the actual cinema industry. The more it's damaged, the more it'll have to raise it's prices.

    I pirate sometimes, but I still love going to see a movie in a cinema.

    You see, this is the thing. I love the film industry. I love the cinema. I love the collective viewing experience, and seeing something on the big screen. But when you're getting ripped off, and the films you want to see include extras (and that's what 3D is, it's an extra that extremely rarely adds to the cinematic experience, it's just fluff) that you don't want to pay for, then I'll endevour to see the film the way I want to. Even if that's by pirating.

    Some people claim that in certain films, 3D is part of the experience. If the 3D is so integral to the experience, then there should be no charge for it. Imagine if cinemas decided 'ya know, this film is in sound and colour, and that's integral to the experience, so you have to pay for it.' Nobody would pay for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    Change cinemas and stop whining then. Steal movies all you want but why do feel the need to type walls of text on here to justify it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Did shouting at the screen help? :rolleyes:

    No. That's why I wrote 'futilely.'

    Futile

    fu·tile/ˈfyo͞otl/

    Adjective:
    Incapable of producing any useful result; pointless.
    Synonyms:
    vain - useless - unavailing - fruitless - idle - nugatory


    Change cinemas and stop whining then. Steal movies all you want but why do feel the need to type walls of text on here to justify it?

    Oh, right. You see, I thought things like boards were places to spark debate and exchange ideas. I wasn't aware opinions weren't allowed to be discussed.

    And since your point glossed over the fact that I stated that part of the problem is that all the cinemas I looked at failed to offer 2D, and this is a problem not only with that one cinema, but the entire industry as a whole, maybe you should tackle the points I raised rather than just offer pointless advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    No. That's why I wrote 'futilely.'

    Futile

    fu·tile/ˈfyo͞otl/

    Adjective:
    Incapable of producing any useful result; pointless.
    Synonyms:
    vain - useless - unavailing - fruitless - idle - nugatory

    Im going to call you blackbead from now on YARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    Don't want to watch trailers? Turn up 15 mins late. Don't put yourself in positions where you feel the need to yell like some sort of boorish martyr.

    Your real rant around 3d vs 2d is better directed at the average cinema goer. A cinema is a business, not a service to you. If more people wanna see 3d, the cinema will facilitate them and maximise their profit by showing in 3d, they cater to the mass market. Not much you can do there rather than frequent cinemas which don't.

    I generally go online and get ripped off rather than being ripped off in person for my tickets. At least the mild irritation has dissipated by the time i get to the cinema and i don't find myself moronically ranting at the trailers...


  • Advertisement
  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Stuck Cone wrote: »
    I believe ya :cool:

    No really, he does. I'm her :)

    I was more than a bit embarrassed by the whole shouting at the screen thing though. Thankfully the theatre was half empty. Takes his movies very seriously does my Sanj. Not sure the moronic comment is warranted though... bit harsh?

    Aside from all that, €27.80 for two cinema tickets? You'd be hard pushed to find ANY justification for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Sanjuro wrote: »

    We were forced to sit through 25 minutes of ads and trailers, followed by the cinema blasting me with an ad for the damn cinema I was already sitting in. Then, a short presentation about the films coming out I had just seen the trailers for. At one point I lost my patience and futilely yelled 'GET ON WITH IT' into the darkness. Finally, after what seemed like an eternity, and my questioning as to why I'd bought a ticket to a screening of trailers (I'd almost forgotten I was in the cinema to see a film), the film began..

    I've several box sets of Bond and Star Trek movies, but I'm busy downloading them ~ why? Because they just simply play the gawdam movie.

    And I have an extra treat being accused of being a thief playing my Paid For Movies in a Bluetooth Player rather than an ordinary CD player ....

    I need compensation for the frustration of actually buying stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭KenSwee


    I hate going to the cinemas.
    Full of idiots who never shut up, constantly on their phones or paying no attention to what they've come to see.
    Prices are, I agree, ridiculous.
    Paying for glasses you already have, is also ridiculous. Not to mention another piece of bloody plastic that will hang around for two half-lives.

    All in all, I totally agree with you about the experience of going to one of these dumps but I won't download illegally. I prefer to wait for it to come on Sky or DVD. Most DVD's are very cheap now and I have a big TV with decent surround so I prefer to wait a few months. I was involved in the music business for years and for so long they claimed that illegal business was killing them but they found a way to make even more money and it will be the same for the movie makers. Live streaming into your house will eventually kill off cinemas and hopefully it will happen soon. The technology is already there in abundance and soon we will have the option to watch new movies as they are released, perfectly created for 40-80" TV's with a built in 3D option.

    And best of all, the theatres will benefit as people will always want to see a play, concert or a musical and will go there for their nights out.

    It's going to be a much better experience for all.
    Ohh and I forgot to add that I think there will still be cinemas to go to but they will be more civilised affairs like the Lighthouse and IFC where people can go to see classics, alternative and some blockbusters.


  • Posts: 16,720 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1) I saw Prometheus in Vue last Friday, late showing (22:50), 2D - here it is. Might be that they changed the timings recently but worth noting.
    2) Completely agree with the costs being massive. What I've done for work (for the Movies @ cinemas) was organise tickets from this crowd, if your work sponsors the tickets you will get something like €3 or €4 cinema tickets, which is great.
    3) Get her to buy the popcorn if you're buying the tickets!
    4) And yes, the amount of ads were hilarious. I'm with you on the shouting at the screen, I was almost doing the same myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Stuck Cone


    g'em wrote: »
    No really, he does. I'm her :)

    I was more than a bit embarrassed by the whole shouting at the screen thing though. Thankfully the theatre was half empty. Takes his movies very seriously does my Sanj. Not sure the moronic comment is warranted though... bit harsh?

    Aside from all that, €27.80 for two cinema tickets? You'd be hard pushed to find ANY justification for that.

    Your bf is a tight-arse, id treat ya right, fancy cinema tonight??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Ah you're very sweet but no thanks - he might grumble about ticket prices and shout at inanimate objects but he's awesome in the sack. I'll hang onto him for a bit longer :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    No. That's why I wrote 'futilely.'

    Futile

    fu·tile/ˈfyo͞otl/

    Adjective:
    Incapable of producing any useful result; pointless.
    Synonyms:
    vain - useless - unavailing - fruitless - idle - nugatory





    Oh, right. You see, I thought things like boards were places to spark debate and exchange ideas. I wasn't aware opinions weren't allowed to be discussed.

    And since your point glossed over the fact that I stated that part of the problem is that all the cinemas I looked at failed to offer 2D, and this is a problem not only with that one cinema, but the entire industry as a whole, maybe you should tackle the points I raised rather than just offer pointless advice.

    No 2D showings was only one of the issues you had though. Price, 3D glasses and 25 mins of trailers were the others. Could they not be resolved by changing cinema?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    You see, this is the thing. I love the film industry. I love the cinema. I love the collective viewing experience, and seeing something on the big screen. But when you're getting ripped off, and the films you want to see include extras (and that's what 3D is, it's an extra that extremely rarely adds to the cinematic experience, it's just fluff) that you don't want to pay for, then I'll endevour to see the film the way I want to. Even if that's by pirating.

    Some people claim that in certain films, 3D is part of the experience. If the 3D is so integral to the experience, then there should be no charge for it. Imagine if cinemas decided 'ya know, this film is in sound and colour, and that's integral to the experience, so you have to pay for it.' Nobody would pay for that.

    But you're paying for the extras because people pirate. A cinema is a business and they have to make their money somewhere. They only take a fraction of a ticket cost, so they increase the sale of food. People pirate and don't go to a cinema, that means another ticket lost, which means more fees and extra charges, otherwise the cinema will have to shut down.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,701 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Stuck Cone wrote: »
    Your bf is a tight-arse, id treat ya right, fancy cinema tonight??

    Stay on topic please.


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,701 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    From the charter:

    The flagrant discussion, promoting, boasting/bragging of watching illegally downloaded or pirated movies will result in a forum ban. The forum is for the discussion of film as an art and media form. If you have an issue with paying to watch movies, then take it up with the film makers/cinema/studio or FACT.

    By all means, discuss the OP's post, but the next person who boasts about pirating is getting banned.


Advertisement