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New "house tax" to be taken from your wages

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  • #32
    the purple tin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    Ghandee wrote: »
    Big Phil and Co need the money to stay in hotels in Brazil at $830 a night :rolleyes:

    Hope all the 'tax compliant' folk can take some solace knowing your money went to good use, ie to enable big Phil to lie at a pool in Rio, looking like a VW beetle.

    The oaf.


    http://m.brne.ws/ireland/cost-of-environment-ministers-trip-to-brazil-criticised-555844.html[/QUOTE]

    830 a night isn't bad when you consider that they probably had to have all the furniture and the bed specially reinforced for the Hulkster.


  • #33
    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭ilovesleep


    Biggins wrote: »
    Would ye ever stop giving out about poor Phil Hogan!
    The poor man is suffering with his nerves from the stress of it all.
    Its gotten that bad that the man has had to jet off to a Rio resort for a week summit, and only charge to the state a night for his bedroom to rest in.
    He's even had to bring 5 others with him to ease his stressful work there.
    I'm sure the €10,000 trip will all be of benefit to the country.

    Why can't we all just have sympathy for him!

    http://www.politics.ie/forum/current-affairs/191007-phil-hogan-heads-rio.html

    While we all wish him well, say a holy prayer he don't sexually insult anyone over there!
    (Seems it might not be the first time if he does!) http://www.independent.ie/national-news/minister-apologises-for-crude-sexual-insult-3053882.html
    The state can do without being sued.
    After all we don't need another bill left to pay for others crimes - like we the public are paying 1.5 billion for the crimes of the men in frocks!


    Thanks for highlighting this wastage/their claims and expense/abuse.

    Far too much people bent over far too quickly regarding the household charge and the money/tax they pay goes towards supporting such wastage and keeping them in such a lifestyle. I mean like was that trip abroad really necessary?

    All of these small claims and expenses really do add up.

    While they cut blind persons allowances, young disabled peoples allowances, SNAs, DCA for carers of those with a disabilty, etc.

    Well done, bola bus mór to everyone who paid and is supporting this and the lifestyles of the TDs.


  • #34
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    teeheehee this should take the wind out of the sails of all those jumping up and down furiously announcing that they would never, ever pay the tax, and would go to jail rather than do so. :D


  • #35
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    hondasam wrote: »
    Phil Hogan is a bully.

    How so?


  • #36
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    Einhard wrote: »
    teeheehee this should take the wind out of the sails of all those jumping up and down furiously announcing that they would never, ever pay the tax, and would go to jail rather than do so. :D

    I'm glad you take so much pleasure in dissing other peoples principles and beliefs.


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  • #37
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Einhard wrote: »
    How so?

    He thinks he can force people to do what he wants them to do that's how so.


  • #38
    Mr Whirly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Mr Whirly


    hondasam wrote: »
    He thinks he can force people to do what he wants them to do that's how so.

    He can. You have the people of Carlow and Kilkenny to thank for that.

    What did people think was going to happen when they voted for FG?


  • #39
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    hondasam wrote: »
    Phil Hogan is a bully.
    Einhard wrote: »
    How so?

    * Pay up or we'll come to your door!
    * Pay up or we'll take it from your wages!
    * Pay or or we will take it from your your social welfare!
    * Pay up or we'll drag 400,000+ into court! (I'm looking forward to seeing this!)

    ...And if he/they don't bully, its considered by many as/or also scare tactics!

    Meanwhile he won't even bloody pay his own home tax elsewhere!


  • #40
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Ghandee wrote: »
    I'm glad you take so much pleasure in dissing other peoples principles and beliefs.

    That's a new one! Refusing to pay the tax is now a principle and belief. Tell ya what, why not just make it a religion and then you won't have to pay tax...oh wait a minute...

    I s'pose you'd argue that Mick Wallace's refusal to pay tax was also an example of a strongly held principle, and therefore he should receive no criticism?
    hondasam wrote: »
    He thinks he can force people to do what he wants them to do that's how so.

    Oh don't be so childish. The government was elected in a democratic fashion, and implemented a tax that it promised before the election that it would establish. Now they're collecting that tax, just as they collect VAT, PAYE, excise and others. Do you think the government are bullies for forcing people to pay other taxes, or for forcing them to wear seat belts?
    Biggins wrote: »
    * Pay up or we'll come to your door!
    * Pay up or we'll take it from your wages!
    * Pay or or we will take it from your your social welfare!
    * Pay up or we'll drag 400,000+ into court! (I'm looking forward to seeing this!)

    ...And if he/they don't bully, its considered by many as/or also scare tactics!

    There has to be consequences for non-payment of taxes. The idea that people are outraged that there might be such consequences is nonsensical. Seriously, the arguments of the No side on this are getting more and more childish. Waaaaaaaaaaaah, the mean gubberment is forcing me to pay my taxes. Waaah!!! Seriously, it's weird.


  • #41
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    Einhard wrote: »
    teeheehee this should take the wind out of the sails of all those jumping up and down furiously announcing that they would never, ever pay the tax, and would go to jail rather than do so. :D


    self employed, i write the cheques. And i'll still go to jail than before i pay a rent on my home. teefeckinhee.....


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  • #42
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    self employed, i write the cheques. And i'll still go to jail than before i pay a rent on my home. teefeckinhee.....

    Off ye go then!


  • #43
    OfflerCrocGod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭OfflerCrocGod


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    self employed, i write the cheques. And i'll still go to jail than before i pay a rent on my home. teefeckinhee.....
    Fair enough if you could just stop using the roads, schools, water, police, fire services, justice system, ambulance service, health service and all the other facilities like airports that tax payers pay for we don't mind you not paying a perfectly valid and sensible wealth tax that every other country in Europe levies.


  • #44
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Einhard wrote: »
    ...Waaaaaaaaaaaah, the mean gubberment is forcing me to pay my taxes. Waaah!!! Seriously, it's weird.

    The fact is that when something is considered unfair by very many, shoved down their throats, each one of those persons should exercise their ability by peaceful means to stand up to what they consider unfair.

    Just because sometimes things are written into legal law, does not make them morally right and fair!
    ..And if such instances are found, they should be stood up to any any peaceful means possible.

    ...And if anyone that wants to shove those unfair means further down on the public, well frankly, they and their supporters can go stuff themselves while they continue to emit the usual justification bile as miserable excuse for continuing the unfairness of the process!


  • #45
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    OfflerCrocGod wrote: »
    Fair enough if you could just stop using the roads, schools, water, police, fire services, justice system, ambulance service, health service and all the other facilities like airports that tax payers pay for we don't mind you not paying a perfectly valid and sensible wealth tax that every other country in Europe levies.

    You forgot the library....
    Thats what i pay the myriad of other taxes for, (but ive no problem not using them if you will pay it all back)
    Also can you please tell me where is my wealth for this wealth tax? (locked up in my mortgage for the next 20 years, perhaps?)


  • #46
    Ghandee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    OfflerCrocGod wrote: »
    Fair enough if you could just stop using the roads, schools, water, police, fire services, justice system, ambulance service, health service and all the other facilities like airports that tax payers pay for we don't mind you not paying a perfectly valid and sensible wealth tax that every other country in Europe levies.

    Schools? Education became free in Ireland recently did it?
    Water, meters being introduced next year.
    Fire service/ambulance = callout fees.
    Health service, A&E charges, GP charges, hefty prescription charges.
    Roads, highest motor tax in Europe, tolled roads, extremely high fuel tax.

    What does our income tax go towards anyway?

    And your sprouting about a 'wealth tax'?

    What wealth is there in a house that has lost 70% of its value since I bought it in 2006?


  • #47
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Ghandee wrote: »
    What does our income tax go towards anyway?

    Its about €13 Billion, doesn't even cover Public Service pay, bit more than half the welfare bill.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #48
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    K-9 wrote: »
    Its about €13 Billion, doesn't even cover Public Service pay, bit more than half the welfare bill.


    Or in Government parlance "the price of 3250000000 pints" :D


  • #49
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Oh look, Phil Hogan has no intention of taking money directly from your wages!

    What a surprise that an unconfirmed source reported by the Sun turned out to be false. :rolleyes:

    Is anyone who made comments about Phil Hogan being a money-grabber on this thread going to admit that they were wrong, or will you just dodge the issue by rabbling on about the household charge and Rio and other such nonsense?


  • #50
    analucija
    Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭analucija


    I remember in my home country the employer would get notice from the revenue when somebody didn't pay taxes or traffic fines and it would be taken of their wages. The minimal wage had to be paid but anything above could go to the revenue.

    I'm not in favour of taxing at source but if somebody doesn't pay their taxes and makes no effort then I can't see why not. Btw taxes in Ireland are actually pretty low.


  • #51
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    analucija wrote: »
    I remember in my home country the employer would get notice from the revenue when somebody didn't pay taxes or traffic fines and it would be taken of their wages. The minimal wage had to be paid but anything above could go to the revenue.

    I'm not in favour of taxing at source but if somebody doesn't pay their taxes and makes no effort then I can't see why not. Btw taxes in Ireland are actually pretty low.

    analucija, you percieve the taxes here to be very low, but as a matter of interest whats the difference in the cost of living between here and your country?
    (ireland is the 5th most expensive place to live(in europe) according to the link below from last sept)

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/ireland-5th-most-expensive-eu-state-16049186.html


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  • #52
    analucija
    Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭analucija


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    analucija, you percieve the taxes here to be very low, but as a matter of interest whats the difference in the cost of living between here and your country?
    (ireland is the 5th most expensive place to live(in europe) according to the link below from last sept)

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/ireland-5th-most-expensive-eu-state-16049186.html

    Ireland still ranks very highly on PPP rankings. The problem is we are over-indebted and not over-taxed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita


  • #53
    bgrizzley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,641 ✭✭✭bgrizzley


    analucija wrote: »
    Ireland still ranks very highly on PPP rankings. The problem is we are over-indebted and not over-taxed.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita


    its no wonder we are, its the 5th most expensive place to live in Europe....:D


  • #54
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Where To wrote: »
    Those of us who pay our taxes would be very happy to see this.

    I think I can safely say that most of us who pay our taxes, will not be happy to see this. Which probably puts you in a special category, isn't that right Phil?


  • #55
    Highly Salami
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭Highly Salami


    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, Phil Hogan has no intention of taking money directly from your wages!

    A great victory for people power!
    We all need to keep the pressure up to get him to abandon the home tax altogether.
    Remember, Ireland is still a democracy!


  • #56
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Facepalm


  • #57
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    Highly Salami wrote: »
    A great victory for people power!
    We all need to keep the pressure up to get him to abandon the home tax altogether.
    Remember, Ireland is still a democracy!

    http://www.memecreator.net/futurama-fry/showimage.php/11284/Not-sure-if-trolling-or-serious.jpg


  • #58
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, Phil Hogan has no intention of taking money directly from your wages!

    What a surprise that an unconfirmed source reported by the Sun turned out to be false. :rolleyes:

    Is anyone who made comments about Phil Hogan being a money-grabber on this thread going to admit that they were wrong, or will you just dodge the issue by rabbling on about the household charge and Rio and other such nonsense?


    Right so the following (inc one from the same site) is false then!
    I see...

    * "Household tax may be cut from pay: Hogan"
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/household-tax-may-be-cut-from-pay-hogan-544050.html
    Stark plans to remove cash forcibly from people’s bank accounts and benefits if they refuse to pay the controversial household tax are being drawn up by the Government, it can be revealed...

    ...Furthermore, the Fine Gael minister said fines for unpaid levies and late payment penalties – which could mount into hundreds of euro after a year – could also be taken directly from people’s pay packets and bank accounts.

    NOTE:
    So thats the household tax AND the fines!

    * http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/household-tax-may-be-cut-from-pay-hogan-544050.html

    * "Money may be taken from accounts"
    http://www.herald.ie/breaking-news/national-news/money-may-be-taken-from-accounts-3054306.html

    * "We’ll swipe tax from your bank" http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/irishsun/irishsunnews/4205885/Well-swipe-tax-from-your-bank.html

    He has stated a number of times as has his head clown, that they will if need be, take money from source - I for one suspect that includes incomes!
    A fool would only think differently in self imposed self-denial.

    Hogan it seems has a short memory - or at least he hopes the public has.
    Sorry Hogan, some of us non-complacent, non-willing to be docile sheep, have not forgotten previous news items!

    Meanwhile as Hogan resides at Rio at your/our expense, an inquiry has been asked for: http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/probe-urged-as-hogan-resides-at-luxury-rio-hotel-198035.html
    - It won't happen. FG and Labour already have too much to lose with already cancelled investigations.
    They are not going to start another in other areas!
    Heaven forbid the public discovers they too are up to the old FF antics!

    ...But the fools of this world won't or don't wish to see that either!


  • #59
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    if they sent me a bill for the charge I might actually pay it, still waiting.


  • #60
    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    seamus wrote: »
    Oh look, Phil Hogan has no intention of taking money directly from your wages!

    What a surprise that an unconfirmed source reported by the Sun turned out to be false. :rolleyes:

    Is anyone who made comments about Phil Hogan being a money-grabber on this thread going to admit that they were wrong, or will you just dodge the issue by rabbling on about the household charge and Rio and other such nonsense?

    Given everything else phil hogan has said refering to biggins post- and the mixed messages in the last few days, just who to believe.
    The Government has yet to make a decision on the format for collecting the incoming property tax, Taoiseach Enda Kenny indicated in the Dáil today.
    He refused to be drawn on speculation that the tax could be deducted directly from PAYE workers’ wages.
    Mr Kenny said the Government had set up a working group, under the chairmanship of former civil servant Don Thornhill, who had furnished his report to Minister for the Environment Phil Hogan.
    The Minister had a responsibility and a duty to reflect on the issues in the report and bring his memo to Government, the Taoiseach said. “When that memo comes to Government, it will make its decision in its own time,’’ Mr Kenny added.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0619/breaking30.html
    Union in favour of deduction of property taxes directly from wages

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0618/copy-from-siptu-and-isme-on-today-with-pk.html
    Speaking this morning Minister Quinn said no concrete plans have been made yet

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/quinn-non-committal-on-idea-to-deduct-property-tax-from-wages-555753.html


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  • #61
    Einhard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Biggins wrote: »
    The fact is that when something is considered unfair by very many, shoved down their throats, each one of those persons should exercise their ability by peaceful means to stand up to what they consider unfair.

    FG campaigned on the basis that it would introduce a household tax. They and Labour have formed a coalition with an overwhelming majority. 58% of people have paid the household charge. I'm sorry Biggins, but living in a democracy has responsibilities as well as rights, and people can't just choose to ignore legislation with which they disagree. There is a very simple mechanism for those who want this charge abolished: at the next election, vote for those parties who pledge to do so.
    Just because sometimes things are written into legal law, does not make them morally right and fair!
    ..And if such instances are found, they should be stood up to any any peaceful means possible.

    And just because you say something is unfair, does not make it unfair.
    We live in a democracy Biggins. You don't like a policy, vote for someone else.
    ...And if anyone that wants to shove those unfair means further down on the public, well frankly, they and their supporters can go stuff themselves while they continue to emit the usual justification bile as miserable excuse for continuing the unfairness of the process!

    I think Biggins that you are the only one here who is showing disdain for the democratic process. I'm quite surprised considering that, if I recall correctly, you were planning to establish some form of political organisation to run in the last election. And yet, when the democratic process results in an outcome with which you disagree, you turn out to be not so committed.

    Again, just because you think it's unfair, doesn't make it so. And I think I'll take democratic legitimacy over internet rants about "bile" and "miserable" excuses any day. Face it, the government were voted in on an overwhelming majority, and a large majority have thusfar paid this charge. You are in the minority. So you can play the populist card all you want, but it's beginning to ring somewhat hollow.


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