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Name and Shame Job Bridge

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 Bringbackrafa


    saraemagee wrote: »
    I have contacted my local TD about being taken for a ride with jobsbridge but also because I have sent about 6 emails and got nothing back. Joan Burton said on the radio that they would be keeping a close eye on employers but sure they must not be if it keeps going unnoticed!

    It's the educated population of Ireland that are suffering, employers have a choice now to chose the over qualified to do a job that wasn't advertised.

    What did your TD have to say about it all. I was so close to getting a 1.1 degree. 68 was my average. I thought I would walk into a job but I think I would rather be unemployed than work with jobbridge. All I keep hearing is horror stories how can they still go on TV Promoting their "great scheme" etc. One of my friends was an intern and her mangers PC broke so she sat for a week with no computer basically doing nothing. That was in a certain Hotel in the Dublin 15 area


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 feduptrucker


    I see Irish hauliers are now jumping on the intern ship bandwagon so now instead of employing and exploiting drivers on the cheap they are now getting the government to pay their drivers for them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭anbodhran


    saraemagee wrote: »
    I have contacted my local TD about being taken for a ride with jobsbridge but also because I have sent about 6 emails and got nothing back. Joan Burton said on the radio that they would be keeping a close eye on employers but sure they must not be if it keeps going unnoticed!

    It's the educated population of Ireland that are suffering, employers have a choice now to chose the over qualified to do a job that wasn't advertised.

    I emailed my local TD once about my concerns, and he promised to pass them on. A week later he sent me on a copy of a letter he received from Joan Burton, three pages in length, which at least responded to my comments and queries.

    Move on to another TD, why not email all in your area? Whether you voted them or not, those working in your constituency are still your representatives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭mogrady14


    Dear Minister’s Office in the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation,
    I have six questions regarding Jobs on the Fas website and this is the Department that has responsibility for Jobs. On Monday, 28/05/2012, there was a similar number of paid and unpaid ‘jobs’ on the Fas website (See note one for further detail)
    Today, 30/05/2012 there are 6 cleaning jobs internships (Note 2), 9 labourers internships (Note 3 ) and even an internship in cleaning hotel rooms advertised on Irish jobs(Note 4)

    Here are my six questions:

    1. Why should employers pay people to work when this scheme provides them for free or at most €50 a week?
    2. Who is responsible for checking the quality of training provided?

    3. How can a 9 month internship in manual labor be justified e.g. the cleaning internship?
    4. How is this scheme regulated?
    5. How much does the National Internship Scheme cost the taxpayer?
    6. How many people in the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation work for €50 a week or less?
    I am going to the Post Office now to post this letter. I wonder will his office answer my questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    I saw a JobBridge ad for an economist earlier. Made me laugh for some reason.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I mailed my local TD's at the same time as An Bodhran mailed their TD. To date, I have yet to receive a reply.

    I have sent the same e-mail to Michael Martin. Guess what? No reply...:pac:

    Roll on the next election. I'm waiting on these guys!!:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 Bringbackrafa


    mogrady14 wrote: »
    Dear Minister’s Office in the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation,
    I have six questions regarding Jobs on the Fas website and this is the Department that has responsibility for Jobs. On Monday, 28/05/2012, there was a similar number of paid and unpaid ‘jobs’ on the Fas website (See note one for further detail)
    Today, 30/05/2012 there are 6 cleaning jobs internships (Note 2), 9 labourers internships (Note 3 ) and even an internship in cleaning hotel rooms advertised on Irish jobs(Note 4)

    Here are my six questions:

    1. Why should employers pay people to work when this scheme provides them for free or at most €50 a week?
    2. Who is responsible for checking the quality of training provided?

    3. How can a 9 month internship in manual labor be justified e.g. the cleaning internship?
    4. How is this scheme regulated?
    5. How much does the National Internship Scheme cost the taxpayer?
    6. How many people in the Department of Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation work for €50 a week or less?
    I am going to the Post Office now to post this letter. I wonder will his office answer my questions.


    Thats great keep us all updated if you get a response. What they really should do is make employers give an extra 50 a week as well. The fact employers don't have to pay anything is a disgrace. Its the companies who are making fools of the government .There the only people benefiting by getting free labour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Telchak


    Regulation is obviously a big problem with JobBridge, but personally I'm having a good experience with it.

    I did a FÁS course in software development, and as part of it I did a month of work experience with a small software company (about 20 employees). When I got there I met someone who had previously done the same FÁS course, did a work placement with this company, and got a job at the end.

    I can quite definitively say that they were not just looking for a free worker. I was nowhere near the level required to be hired by this company, but I've substantially improved my skills in the last few months.

    There is no way I am taking a job that they would have otherwise hired someone for. Since I got here in December they have been looking to hire more developers, but only hired the first new person two weeks ago. They're still looking for more developers.

    My boss unequivocally explained that the way he sees it, while he struggles to find someone at the level required to hire, JobBridge is covering the cost of bringing me up to that level so that I can be hired at the end of the internship.

    There have been times coming up to customer deadlines where I've had to do mundane UI design that required little software skills while the employees worked on more important stuff. This however is heavily outweighed by the amount of times I've been sat down besides someone to be shown how aspects of their software work.

    Between time taken by developers to teach me and money spent buying an extra computer, I'm sure I've been a financial expense to this company even with the work I've done. That will hopefully have changed by the time I finish and start working for them.

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    If you are a company and you cannot afford to hire the people you need then TOUGH SH*T,survival of the fittest, capitalism, and all that jazz. (Oh wait! companies only like capitalism when it suits them, how silly of me).

    Do not take advantage of cripplingly high youth unemployment and pretend that working a supermarket deli is an 'internship', it is not. You are a scumbag.
    Even then I don't believe for one second that Tesco "can't afford" to pay the basic minimum wage a self-stacker commands.

    They are, in fact, simply being greedy little as*holes of the highest order.

    (sorry, I'm just so angry about jobsbridge its not even funny)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,118 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    If a company cannot afford to hire the people they need then TOUGH SH*T,survival of the fittest, capitalism, and all that jazz. Do not take advantage of cripplingly high youth unemployment and pretend that working a supermarket deli is an 'internship', it is not. You are a scumbag.

    Even then I don't believe for one second that Tesco "can't afford" to pay the basic minimum wage a self-stacker commands.

    They are, in fact, simply being greedy little as*holes of the highest order.

    (sorry, I'm just so angry about jobsbridge its not even funny)

    Same here, it makes my blood boil. Hugely profitable multinationals getting free staff. I just despair when I think of it and FG lauding it.
    Will Enda Kenny's kids ever be on Jobbridge I wonder? Will they fcuk!!!:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭CommanderC


    I personally feel that this is taking advantage.

    They have jazzed up the job description, however, at the end of the day, it is just a call centre job and I don't think that someone would require an internship/previous experience to get into a position like this.

    I understand that others may not agree, but just from my own point of view, I think Aon are taking advantage of the Scheme.

    http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1171761


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    JustMary wrote: »
    Seems to be the day for it:

    I don't like name-and-shame, but this one posted on irishjobs.ie (where presumably they had to pay for the listing!) looks fantastic:


    http://irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Accommodation-Internship-6719841.aspx


    Jobseekers must be on the Live Register and have been in receipt of Jobseekers Allowance/Benefit or signing on for credits for at least 3 months
    Duties include:
    Ø To present for duty in full uniform including name badge.
    Ø To ensure a high standard of personal hygiene.
    Ø To clean public areas / toilets and sign off bathroom checklist on a hourly basis.
    Ø To collect supplies including linen are directed by the department manager / asst. manager / supervisor.
    Ø To adhere to and maintain all cleaning programmes as directed.
    Ø To restock supplies as required or directed by the accommodation manager / asst. accommodation manager / accommodation supervisor.
    Ø To damp dust vacant rooms as directed by your department head.
    Ø To appropriately report and record lost and found property as detailed in the accommodation SOP.
    Ø To record and report maintenance needed to your supervisor or manager.
    Ø To stock all service trolleys prior to commencement and on completion of shift.
    Ø To empty rubbish and clean out vacuums on a daily basis.
    Ø On completion of shift, return master keys to the accommodation manager / supervisor.
    Ø To be aware of the key security policy as detailed in the accommodation SOP.
    Ø To ensure daily Sign In/ Sign Out sheets including breaks are completed on a daily basis.
    Ø To be responsible for the cleaning of the back of house areas including staff changing areas and canteen.
    Ø To maintain storage presses, and linen rooms in a presentable condition.
    Ø To provide turndown service if required.
    Ø Service of tea/coffee making facilities within all guestrooms.
    Ø Where require, to ensure guest laundry is collected, charged and returned to guest in speedy and accurate fashion.
    Ø To carry out the hotels customer relation policy.
    Ø To ensure full knowledge of hotel facilities, including opening and closing times and to promote these facilities at every opportunity.
    Ø Ensure work trolley is free from obstruction and not blocking passageway

    I actually reported that ad to the Jobbridge HD, after checking the advert for myself and then looking for the same on the Jobbridge website. It has never been advertised on there. I have just received a reply stating that the employer involved DOES NOT have an approved intern.

    Whilst I appreciate that not every advert can be checked when not on the official site, why was that employer advertising and employing an intern at national rates when in fact they are not approved to do so? And what steps are being taken to ensure the situation does not recur.

    I have replied to the mail, asking why this situation was allow to occur and what steps are taken to ensure that it does not happen again.

    I'll post up any responses I get...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    I actually reported that ad to the Jobbridge HD, after checking the advert for myself and then looking for the same on the Jobbridge website. It has never been advertised on there. I have just received a reply stating that the employer involved DOES NOT have an approved intern.

    Whilst I appreciate that not every advert can be checked when not on the official site, why was that employer advertising and employing an intern at national rates when in fact they are not approved to do so? And what steps are being taken to ensure the situation does not recur.

    I have replied to the mail, asking why this situation was allow to occur and what steps are taken to ensure that it does not happen again.

    I'll post up any responses I get...

    Just to keep you posted. I got a response today from the Jobbridge Complaints dept.

    ****TEXT****
    I refer to your mail and note your comments.

    It is at the employers own discretion where they choose to advertise vacancies. This was not a JobBridge internship as it was not approved. Whereas, we do not have authority to tell employers where they can advertise, we agree that the advert was misleading i.e. it could be perceived as an approved JobBridge internship. We have discussed this with the employer and they advised they would remove it immediately.

    Social Welfare do not pay top-ups of €50 unless it is an approved JobBridge internship. (my bold)
    ****END OF TEXT****

    I guess it's a step in the right direction. But we do have to keep reporting the dodgy ads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 catk123


    Hi guys,

    I'm new here was looking for info about the jobbridge internships. I got so sick of applying for jobs and hearing nothing that I ended up applying for an internship I started one about 3 weeks ago but i really don't like it at all I'm getting all the complicated and S**t jobs to do, I feel like such a fool. Really not fitting in out there. I'm a quiet and shy person and hate complaining but i really don't like it. I think my boss hates me and thinks I'm stupid too lol. I feel sick everyday going in there. I was just wondering if anyone had info about what to do? If i leave will i be cut off of the dole? or is the only way out of it to get a job?

    Thanks :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 Bringbackrafa


    catk123 wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    I'm new here was looking for info about the jobbridge internships. I got so sick of applying for jobs and hearing nothing that I ended up applying for an internship I started one about 3 weeks ago but i really don't like it at all I'm getting all the complicated and S**t jobs to do, I feel like such a fool. Really not fitting in out there. I'm a quiet and shy person and hate complaining but i really don't like it. I think my boss hates me and thinks I'm stupid too lol. I feel sick everyday going in there. I was just wondering if anyone had info about what to do? If i leave will i be cut off of the dole? or is the only way out of it to get a job?

    Thanks :)

    I think if you explain your situation and horrible working conditions the dole should understand, start looking for other jobbridge internships straight away as well, this will also make the social welfare see that you are still on a job hunt and hopefully will keep your payment. If you really don't like it then no point in staying and being miserable, your happiness is more important

    Good luck with everything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭anbodhran


    Had a couple of minutes spare, and saw a couple of crackers in Waterford City at the moment. Remember this is a region with 20% unemployment at the moment, suffering worse than anywhere else.

    I came across:
    • Food and Beverage Assistant in a hotel. Basically a general hotel job. Ramada Hotel Waterford.
    • A general operative in a factory. Come on. Company didn't put their name on it, were going through a recruiter.
    • Hotel Receptionist - Woodlands Hotel Waterford.
    I'd say there must be hundreds of jobs every month which are totally unsuitable.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭NakedNNettles


    duinegorm wrote: »
    There's so many reasons why this is wrong but I don't think I could post them on a public forum.

    Yep, that's a find alright

    Why not? This is name and shame Job Bridge after all so get to work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 cricketfan


    Beginning to now see a lot more organisations with charitable status taking on interns. Yet another barrier for the unemployed to secure level entry positions.

    I beg to wonder if some of these people have left their moral compass behind somewhere. The private sector - just out to secure a profit for the owner/shareholders, staff only a necessary evil but hey presto thank you my friends in Government I can take this loser on for 6/9 months and then let him go - and not have to pay him a penny.

    The irony of organisations whose remit out there is to go to some lengths to prevent social inclusion, to make this a fairer and more equitable society, taking on interns and thereby by doing so just increasing the divide between the haves and the have nots?

    I've come to the conclusion that the 80% or so working are just content they've got jobs and to hell with the rest of us. I'll stop there. I'm going off tangent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    This is another peach!

    ****TEXT****
    Based in CORK CITY Ref. INTE-690636
    Description
    The intern will gain practical experience in stores and warehouse management. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: forklift driving, manual handling and company policies on stores/warehouse management and customer service. On completion the intern will have attained skills in stores/warehouse management and customer service

    Skills Requirements
    The successful candidate will have a genuine interest in the refrigeration industry together with a desire to deliver real value added services to customers. An ability to work as part of a team juggling a diverse workload to strict deadlines with different priority levels. Core skills to the role will be an ability to learn quickly, communicate excellently and to work on ones own initiative.

    Please Note:
    This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

    Department
    Stores/Warehouse

    Mentor
    The Organisation will assign a mentor to support you during the Internship.

    Duration
    6 Months

    Number of Positions
    1

    Contract Type
    Other

    Days, Hours & Start Date
    Days per week: To be Advised
    Hours per day: Not specified
    Hours per week: 40
    Start Date: TBC

    Experience Required:
    No Experience Required
    Education Requirements:
    Leaving Certificate Ordinary - Other - Practical knowledge of computers would be important. Third level qualification would be desirable but not essential if the suitable candidate had a knowledge of computers and warehouse management.

    ****END OF TEXT****

    Since when was a Leaving Cert necessary for a warehouse operative???:eek::eek:

    Cheeky bar steward! Off to report his no good ass now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Thujrog


    Went to the FAS page with the internships. This is like shooting fish in a barrel. There are so many bad examples. How about a caretaker at the McWilliam Park Hotel? http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DB2iJ8lLntbsnzUFVkk88f+7/jtBaovUpAbzhQVkY4qZxWAphGqSFyCVmaRhD6sDCBr9DYhP5TXh5+wksPWYKuSuDrsFDxxgjHHdnR/vu+JqdozleEjftQiRUsTsBNZq84jLJxRJIMtaLXhT50n3QxBv5g93/cVA1OTtWdIqjpG46Q3Y7rZoIE3bj2oBGDCS0aW93rUtV42YsoLzrU9Be0Ly24aLzb/NzHlbLf7lxOWZJWNDZQcRokVFYqY7HfGGS8Tgsw1SrLcpoaH6bct36CMHcDFIo1E24L6M3p/Mxxw/y3kG9RduhdG0yQiYoWRbFmSIlwNgxSrUMCRWBtoYgb85dlXgC+w2xD/nzsP1OYTes/uuxOlC7QDHDKTKxEGdYiraIZF9vIHT98QLwa9yQRZ/5ltMIHutPw==

    Description
    The intern will gain practical experience in Health & Safety, Maintenance, Decorating, painting. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following, manual handling, painting, fire safety. On completion the intern will have attained skills in basic maintenance, decorating, painting.

    Skills Requirements
    Enthusiastic, hard working, ability to work with a team, self motivated, able to work unsupervised.

    Looking for someone who is able to work unsupervised isn't really in the spirit of an internship. You'd wonder just who the mentor at the hotel will be. Shouldn't the company offering the internship at least have to say who will mentor the intern?

    So many of the internships are depressingly exploitative. This scheme is a disaster. Perhaps some of the internships are legitimate but so many are just an opportunity for a company to get free labour. How can any minister stand over this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭NakedNNettles


    Yep, it's an absolute disaster.

    I thought this scheme was going to help people get their foot on the ladder, offering petrol attendent / caretaker type positions isn't offering anyone a foot anywhere and its taking paid jobs away from people willing to work these positions.

    The scheme should only have been aimed at those recently qualified from third level eduction with an undergraduate degree or similar and are looking to add qualifed experience to their CV.

    Being honest, because of the bad rep the scheme is building it might even go against anyone as reputable experience by adding it to their CV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,022 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    SuperValu in Ashbourne are looking for free shelf stackers. Absolute disgrace.
    The intern will gain practical experience in Manual Handling, Stock Rotation and Displays.
    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92 ✭✭IHateMondays


    Nervous now of applying for JobBridge, hearing and seeing some complete jokes of ads...


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,449 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Nervous now of applying for JobBridge, hearing and seeing some complete jokes of ads...

    If you see an internship that you think would benefit you apply for it. If there's none there that you wouldn't I wouldn't bother.

    The main thing is that at the end of the internship you've benefited from it and are more employable in the area you want to work in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Missdior12


    Kinda odd.. I applied to more then 9 Internship positions and didn't hear from any of them.
    Applied in mid February, I didn't bother getting in touch with them tho.
    Was dissapointed not even a word off them.
    Did it happen to anyone else?
    Is there a age they consider cuz I'm only 20 :/


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