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Was Michelle de Bruin our greatest Olympian? Eamonn Coughlan says yes

  • 10-06-2012 12:04AM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭


    What you think, drug cheat or not? I think the fact she was not tested positive at the Olympics says she was not a cheat.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0609/1224317568167.html
    ONE OF Ireland’s most successful athletes says the treatment of Michelle de Bruin by the Irish public has been a disgrace and that the former swimmer is “our greatest Olympian”.

    Senator Eamonn Coghlan, who was speaking before being given a distinguished fellowship of Athlone Institute of Technology yesterday, said the fact that de Bruin had never failed a drugs test left her at the top of the pile of our Olympians.

    De Bruin won three gold medals and one bronze at the Atlanta Olympics in 1996, but was discredited after later being found guilty of tampering with a urine sample.

    Despite possessing the best Irish record at the Olympics, de Bruin was not selected by the Olympic Council of Ireland as one of the 41 torch-bearers for the Olympic flame as it made its way through Ireland.

    “There are athletes around the world that are tainted with positive tests and won medals who were never castigated in their home countries like Michelle was,” said Mr Coghlan.

    “Let’s remember she never – ever – tested positive, particularly during her Olympic year. If you look at the record books, she is down as winning four medals at the Atlanta Olympics and it is because of that that I have to give her credit as Ireland’s best ever Olympian.

    “There are a lot of people who would agree with me but there are also a lot of people who would disagree with me,” he said.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭PrincessLola


    I'm too young to remember this, but wasn't she found guilty of tampering with a urine sample? Why would she do that if she had nothing to hide?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    She was a drug cheat and anyone who thinks she wasn't is delusional.

    And I would. Anyoen who wouldn't is delusional.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    She was a drugs cheat and despite not testing positive, to suggest she wasn't juiced up for the olympics would be naive. Greatest Irish olympian my hole.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Do you think she tampered with the sample? If so why? This situation bothers me. What if she's totally innocent, imagine how horrible it must feel to be on the bad end of a witch hunt. Na wouldn't ride her either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭girl in the striped socks


    I can't remember the full story, anyone care to enlighten me?
    Was there something about whiskey?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    Salt of the earth lass


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I'm too young to remember this, but wasn't she found guilty of tampering with a urine sample? Why would she do that if she had nothing to hide?


    Theres a bit more to it than that....none of which makes her look better...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Smith


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    I'm too young to remember this, but wasn't she found guilty of tampering with a urine sample? Why would she do that if she had nothing to hide?

    She wanted to blast something with piss and had none on tap?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    I can't remember the full story, anyone care to enlighten me?
    Was there something about whiskey?

    She used to brew whiskey from her own piss. She filtered it into alcohol through her hair, which is why it was so curly & looked like straw.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    haha, didnt she cheat?i remember there was a big shmoly about that some years back..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    She used to brew whiskey from her own piss. She filtered it into alcohol through her hair, which is why it was so curly & looked like straw.

    So the logical next question, how many whiskies before you would?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    Have a read of this.
    She's guilty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭Atomicjuicer


    Didn't she go on to do law or something after the whole mess - kinda suggests an innocent with something to prove IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    Whiskey in her urine, shure couldn't it happen to anyone...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    mackg wrote: »
    So the logical next question, how many whiskies before you would?

    All of the whiskeys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,276 ✭✭✭Alessandra


    Michelle Smith had a little pharmaceutical enhancement in her performance therefore she was hardly a bastion of Irish Olympic prowess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭bob50


    I deffo think she was and will always be our greatest swimmer. . So what if she took something to help her win gold medals they all do anyway just a question of being found out or not and Coughlan says the some of the public dont like her yet he dosent mention the media who cant stand her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭girl in the striped socks


    Whiskey in her urine, shure couldn't it happen to anyone...
    It could happen to a bishop...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Druggies out!

    That she has been vilified in Ireland and others have been ignored in their own countries is to our credit. Long may our vilification of cheating continue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Are you taking the p!ss? (and replacing it with whiskey?)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Now a lawyer

    And we all know they are honorable and would never ever lie :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭longshanks


    bob50 wrote: »
    I deffo think she was and will always be our greatest swimmer. . So what if she took something to help her win gold medals they all do anyway just a question of being found out or not and Coughlan says the some of the public dont like her yet he dosent mention the media who cant stand her

    Fuck off. Sport is about what's right. What inspires to greatness. What makes the impossible happen. No room for cheats.

    I saw that quote on the twitter earlier.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    she is the greatest cheat of all time and got away with it too,now shes a lawyer good career move,she plays to her strenghts not a bad sport after all..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 535 ✭✭✭bob50


    What everyone needs to know in modern times ie 1988 onwards, drugs Blood products help athletes to win races, swims etc so people should get over their hangups about cheaters if it helps to them to win medals for their countries so what . i'm looking forward to the Chinese cleaning up in London in August


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    A very large portion of Olympians are on drugs, they just cycle well and haven't been caught. She was just in on the trend. Remember the talks of the Chinese eating dog-food to beat Sonia O'Sullivan? More like, roids.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Jimmyhologram


    Didn't she go on to do law or something after the whole mess - kinda suggests an innocent with something to prove IMO.

    ...Or perhaps a guilty person with an interest in technicalities and loopholes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    All of the whiskeys.

    Even the ones she pissed in? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Jimmyhologram


    bob50 wrote: »
    What everyone needs to know in modern times ie 1988 onwards, drugs Blood products help athletes to win races, swims etc so people should get over their hangups about cheaters if it helps to them to win medals for their countries so what . i'm looking forward to the Chinese cleaning up in London in August

    If that's the case, then the facade should be dropped entirely and everybody should be openly allowed to take whatever enhancements they want.

    It makes no sense to have rules and then to be blaise about people breaking those rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,414 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Brian Cowan wasn't a cheat but yet I owe billions...


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Didn't she go on to do law or something after the whole mess - kinda suggests an innocent with something to prove IMO.

    She did. I was once on the jury in the Coroner's Court and she was there.


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