Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

Raekwon · 05-06-2012 03:20PM

Yeah she said that it would be like inhaling an exhaust pipe.

norrie rugger · 05-06-2012 03:21PM

I also think that they mentioned a 3% CO2 level, which is not enough to kill.

"Continuous inhalation of CO2 can be tolerated at three percent inspired concentrations for at least one month"
Wiki

KenSwee · 05-06-2012 03:23PM

http://www.weylandindustries.com/

Excellent website, mediocre movie.

opinion guy · 05-06-2012 03:28PM

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Reading a little too much into just David's actions? :pac:

I'd say we've seen every single scene in the film unnecessarily nitpicked at this point. Except Theron and Elba's sexytime - what was that **** about?

That was a clunky plot device to explain the bridge/monitoring room being abandon whilst the fodder, sorry sorry, I mean ""scientists"" were being slaughtered.

norrie rugger wrote: »

I also think that they mentioned a 3% CO2 level, which is not enough to kill.

"Continuous inhalation of CO2 can be tolerated at three percent inspired concentrations for at least one month"
Wiki

Well I think we have already established that the science/medical consultants on this movie weren't exactly top notch!!

opinion guy · 05-06-2012 03:32PM

Raekwon wrote: »

I thought this too. You see the worms wriggle under a footprint when Shaw etc go into the chamber but when Millburn & Fifield go back in and the black goo has leaked everywhere that's when the snake like aliens appear from it.

I think that the black goo was a bio weapon designed to make it's host extremely aggressive and posses superhuman strength depending on the dosage. For example Holloway only had a tiny drop so his symptoms and transformation took a while to manifest and he was killed off before we could see what happened to him. Fifield had his face submerged in it so he turned aggressive very quickly and his strength and agility had been completely enhanced. The worm was totally submerged in it overnight so it grew 10 times in size and had enough power to break somebodies arm.

But then again the Engineer at the start drank some and totally disintegrated yet had the exact same DNA as the humans. I really wish they had made it clear what the exact purpose of this black goo was. Does it create life, destroy life, enhance life? Are there different variations of it? Maybe they have an All-in-One Vanish Intergalactic Power Cleaner that can kill limescale and bacteria instantly or turn them into a giant squids that can impregnate living hosts

Lol.

I know what the black goo is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dT2iE1OBGk

p to the e · 05-06-2012 03:32PM

Raekwon wrote: »

But then again the Engineer at the start drank some and totally disintegrated yet had the exact same DNA as the humans. I really wish they had made it clear what the exact purpose of this black goo was. Does it create life, destroy life, enhance life?

I never even thought they were the same liquid. I just assumed the liquid that the Alien at the beginning drank was something that disintegrates DNA whilst the bio weapon alters DNA in various ways depending on the host. Good old sci-fi.

tricky D · 05-06-2012 03:34PM

Just having a chat in the office about whether Vickers is a robot.

Firstly, Scott is noted for his detail.

The way she says father is very deliberate.

After the rest of the crew wake up they're all vomiting the fluid. She's not shown waking and instead is doing pressups.

The interaction between her and Janek mentions robot and she then does a sharp turn telling him top be in her room in 10. Then he sings something 'if you can't with the one you want, love the one your with'.

opinion guy · 05-06-2012 03:35PM

p to the e wrote: »

I never even thought they were the same liquid. I just assumed the liquid that the Alien at the beginning drank was something that disintegrates DNA whilst the bio weapon alters DNA in various ways depending on the host. Good old sci-fi.

I agree they may not be the same - presumably they can engineer it to do different things - clue in the name there.

But I reckon the cup he drank from was in fact the top of one of the cansiters your see in the ship - its just looks like a cup cause his hands are huge

(which by the way - my hunch is these canisters will somehow become the alien eggs in the future given similar size and shape

kronsington · 05-06-2012 03:38PM

if the planet they arrived on is some sort of weapons storage facility and not the engineers home planet, then is there any reason why the giant humanoid head statue thing is there? rarely have i seen a movie be analysed as much as this.

opinion guy · 05-06-2012 03:39PM

tricky D wrote: »

She's not shown waking and instead is doing pressups.

Why would a Robot do press ups ?

maximoose · 05-06-2012 03:49PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Why would a Robot do press ups ?

To build up killer specs

*gets coat*

tricky D · 05-06-2012 03:51PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Why would a Robot do press ups ?

Good question.

I was alluding to her not puking like the others and showing no outward space sickness kind of symptoms.

Eggy Baby! · 05-06-2012 03:52PM

shootermacg wrote: »

Is it possible that the giant penis thingies were indigenous species?

Nah the space dildo cobras were mutated worms- that's why it showed a shot of the worms before they made their appearance

-The start when the Alien ate something and seemed to commit suicide.

That fits perfectly into the films title- Prometheus. Prometheus was a dude who stole fire to give humanity a shot and sacrificed a great deal to do so. The Engineer at the beginning is metaphorically Prometheus- as he sacrifices himself to give mankind a beginning. Presumably he was a rebel who wished to create rather than destroy (as most of his other bros seem to want to do) and he fled to Earth- the ship flying overhead was looking for him, but he decided to commit suicide and mix his DNA with water, thereby creating the first cells which would evolve into us.

(Also, notice that the myth of Pandora's Box [apparently actually a jar] ties into the myth of Prometheus. What are the weapons on the ship? Jar/vase things. Maybe there is a connection here?)

-When the woman gets pregnent.

She had been impregnated by Holloway, who was infected by David via his drink. The "baby" grew extremely quickly (it seemed to have been growing for 3 months in only ten hours) as it was a hellspawn.

-When the engineer wakes up and tries to kill everyone. Why? They're supposd to be intelligent.

David said something to him. Maybe this angered the Engineer? There were no subtitles. Maybe the Engineer noticed David was an android and believed humanity had evolved so much as to make robo-copies of themselves. As his mission was presumably to destroy us due to our speedy evolution, this fits in okay. But its admittedly quite vague.

-Why did the Alien engineers want to destroy earth or humans?
-At the end when the Alien from the Alien films comes to life. It seemed to be a cross of the other two.

-Presumably in a possible sequel they will use the trite explanation that we are evolving too quickly or we are too arrogant/violent to let live. Or that we weren't meant to be, as we were an accident and weren't meant to happen.
- It wasn't from the Aliens films- this scene was simply a nod to the Alien franchise.

DoubleBogey · 05-06-2012 04:06PM

p to the e wrote: »

Raekwon wrote: »

But then again the Engineer at the start drank some and totally disintegrated yet had the exact same DNA as the humans. I really wish they had made it clear what the exact purpose of this black goo was. Does it create life, destroy life, enhance life?

I never even thought they were the same liquid. I just assumed the liquid that the Alien at the beginning drank was something that disintegrates DNA whilst the bio weapon alters DNA in various ways depending on the host. Good old sci-fi.

I doubt they were the same. For a start the two scenes took place billions of years ago. Secondly they have a completely different affect.

The black goo was some sort of bio weapon that turned a creature into a super killing machine.

There were 2 creatures exposed to the goo:

1. The worms. These came in off the crews shoes, one scene even zoomed in on a shoe as it happened.

2. The humans.

The 3rd creature was the face hugger which was a result of copulation, and the 4th was the Xeno which was a result of the human born face hugger being implanted in the engineer species.

Its all just about evolution.

opinion guy · 05-06-2012 04:21PM

maximoose wrote: »

To build up killer specs

*gets coat*

Why would a robot need glasses ?

:pac:

nyarlothothep · 05-06-2012 05:02PM

opinion guy wrote: »

That was a clunky plot device to explain the bridge/monitoring room being abandon whilst the fodder, sorry sorry, I mean ""scientists"" were being slaughtered.

Well I think we have already established that the science/medical consultants on this movie weren't exactly top notch!!

Maybe I missed something but when the captain mentions "there's two lifeforms" to the scientists after they point out the dead bodies and they're freaking out he's like "yeah whatever fck you" to them, completely disinterested/non plussed by the possiblity that there are lifeforms in the structure and switches off the monitoring device. Now maybe what's not included in the theatrical cut is what can be assumed otherwise, that the monitoring devices pick up on whether there are pathogens in the air, in which case the statement "the air is perfectly breathable" means that there are no viruses and all the characters more or less know this and that the same reasoning applies to the lifeforms comment by the captain, he's talking about the worms which the crew brought with them but doesn't bother to tell the scientists because he's withholding that for the lulz. Or perhaps he's in on some secret plot that won't be revealed until the sequel. For example when they go into the room with the vases he warns one of the crew not to touch the black goo, how would he know about whether it was dangerous or not assuming he's as dumb as the rest of the crew? On the other hand his weird behaviour at the monitoring station might just be the result of bad scriptwriting, for example his chat up line "are you a robot?" which garners the response "my room, 10 minutes" garnered a few laughs in the cinema. But I have a sneaking suspicion that there was something else going on, David's behaviour, the Captain being an asshole, imo there was some plot that we don't know about. Oh yeah, is it just me or is Holloway David Blaine in space?

Vokes · 05-06-2012 05:11PM

Eggy Baby! wrote: »

David said something to him. Maybe this angered the Engineer? There were no subtitles. Maybe the Engineer noticed David was an android and believed humanity had evolved so much as to make robo-copies of themselves. As his mission was presumably to destroy us due to our speedy evolution, this fits in okay. But its admittedly quite vague.

I figured the same.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the Engineer first jostles David's hair for a few seconds before ripping his head off. I figured it must have surmised from David's artifical hair that he was an artificial sentient lifeform (and, well, ripping off David's head to see what was inside was the acid test so to speak :pac:), and so considered that humans had evolved now to be a threat (having a similar ability to create life so to speak) to their makers, the Engineers.

Maybe? Its the only thing that's plausible to me atm with what little info we're given in that scene.

Technocentral · 05-06-2012 05:33PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Why would a robot need glasses ?

:pac:

Vanity, like a lot of people.

OldeCinemaSoz · 05-06-2012 07:10PM

the mean of life axcording to an advert producer...

funderfuly fullfilling.

Eggy Baby! · 05-06-2012 07:43PM

Vokes wrote: »

I figured the same.

In fact, if I recall correctly, the Engineer first jostles David's hair for a few seconds before ripping his head off. I figured it must have surmised from David's artifical hair that he was an artificial sentient lifeform (and, well, ripping off David's head to see what was inside was the acid test so to speak :pac:), and so considered that humans had evolved now to be a threat (having a similar ability to create life so to speak) to their makers, the Engineers.

Maybe? Its the only thing that's plausible to me atm with what little info we're given in that scene.

yeah he kind of runs his hands through his hair like he's a baby

Richard Hillman · 05-06-2012 07:48PM

Very interesting film. A lot of things become clearer after reading this thread.

Chris_Heilong · 05-06-2012 08:07PM

some of you guys seem to be getting it wrong, in the film they said the Engineers created Humans, not all life and then when the crew finds out that the engineers planned to go to earth and destroy us, then they ask the question "why did they change their minds" not the other way around as in they created us why are they changing their minds and now want to destroy us. We would have been wiped out except a bio weapon got loose and killed all the engineers except the one who was in stasis behind a large door So they never finished their misson. Remember the other engineers all had wholes in their chests.

Chris_Heilong · 05-06-2012 08:10PM

Eggy Baby! wrote: »

yeah he kind of runs his hands through his hair like he's a baby

he saw that we had created in our own image which is a huge insult as the engineers feel they are our gods, so he got pissed and killed David and the others. This is also the reason they wanted to destroy us as Jesus came and started a shift towards a mono God world, in other words we stopped worshiping the engineers.

stealinhorses · 05-06-2012 08:28PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

he saw that we had created in our own image which is a huge insult as the engineers feel they are our gods, so he got pissed and killed David and the others. This is also the reason they wanted to destroy us as Jesus came and started a shift towards a mono God world, in other words we stopped worshiping the engineers.

That's an interesting way to think about it, actually kinda makes a lot of sense

pearsquasher · 05-06-2012 09:03PM

{aside}
I'm imagining David watching the Alex Guinness Box Set, getting to Star Wars and and wondering what the **** all the fuss is about wishing there was another bot to chat to about the plot holes... THEN getting to Phantom Menace, for completeness,...... and ripping his own head off.
{/aside}

But yes... extrapolating the idea of the jesus myth and the engineers being a bit annoyed they're no longer "gods " sounds sort of plausable-able.... but i'm pretty sure our Engineer pals would have thought of something better than goo-ifying an entire planet!.... Maybe that was them in Life of Brian, you know, albeit de-volved somewhat...

Sand · 05-06-2012 09:18PM

CiscoStudent wrote: »

If what you say is true then honestly, this movie makes no sense!

It's not impossible that the movie makes no sense you know

The Matrix Reloaded had a load of similar twaddle and plot inconsistencies. Waiting for the sequel didn't do anything to resolve the gaps. Though thinking about it, Matrix Reloaded was actually a little more coherent whereas Prometheus is all over the shop. Too many script writers try to be too clever by half and the story rapidly bloats into something which simply cant be wrapped up coherently. Prometheus is definitely one of these.

Its still a fun movie, but it doesn't make much sense.

Rew · 05-06-2012 09:52PM

Saw it last night, disappointed its not great at all bar some set pieces.

My take opening the opening scene was a suicide. He was left behind for what ever reason, creating life on earth was a ****up and they were going to fix that ****up. I thought I saw something of the star map on the lid of the jar he drank from but could be wrong. Other then that it was like a block of swiss cheese.

Thats my 2c anyway.

Amalgam · 05-06-2012 09:55PM

Sand wrote: »

Its still a fun movie, but it doesn't make much sense.

It is a fun movie, I enjoyed it at that level.

Talking of deification, is it that people are getting a bit wound up\let down by the excitement that surrounds directors like Ridley Scott?

That there's an image of perfection, maybe nuanced by rose tinted glasses and some movies from, what.. close to 30 years ago now.

Roll on the sequel.

Amalgam · 05-06-2012 09:58PM

Rew wrote: »

Saw it last night, disappointed its not great at all bar some set pieces.

My take opening the opening scene was a suicide. He was left behind for what ever reason, creating life on earth was a ****up and they were going to fix that ****up. I thought I saw something of the star map on the lid of the jar he drank from but could be wrong. Other then that it was like a block of swiss cheese.

Thats my 2c anyway.

I didn't see it as suicide, his dress and poise \ somewhat purposeful manner was very ritualised.

If their way of existing is to seed other parts of the universe (and their points of reference to mortality and life might be totally at odds to our thinking..), the being might be involved in something that it would see as being very special.

Amalgam · 05-06-2012 10:02PM

Anyone think the engineers look a bit like demented pumped up Woody Harrelsons.. No?

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