Name and Shame Job Bridge

Mrs OBumble · 15-05-2012 01:00PM

Leif Ericson wrote: »

Assistant Archivist (Intern)

Description:

The intern will gain practical experience in working in the Museum?s Archive Service, which supports archival activity within the institution. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following; Archives administration; Processing, finding aid production and location control using Adlib Archives Preservation. On completion the intern will have attained skills in; Listing collections on to Adlib Archives (ISAD G compliant); Providing information for the production of an Adlib Archives User manual; Appraising and arranging collections.
Skills Required

The successful applicant should have excellent interpersonal and communication skills, excellent research and reporting skills and good organisational and IT skills.

Requirements:
Third Level - Graduate with a Masters Degree in Archives and Records Management or equivalent

Masters

Ahh, I'm pretty sure that a Masters would be the standard entry qualification for this sort of job.

Meaning this is exactly the sort of thing that Job Bridge is for: a way for people with good quals, but no experience, to get some expereince.

Provided the person really is getting to appraise and arrange collections, and just not make coffee for the person doing the realy work (cf the so-calles "post production assistant") then I dont' see a problem.

pmrc · 15-05-2012 04:48PM

Forecourt Attendant / Car Wash Operator

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Based in DUNGARVAN Ref. INTE-679251
Description
The intern will gain practical experience in dealing with customers. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: service car washing and serving petrol. On completion the intern will have attained skills in becoming a trained forecourt attendant, car wash operator and merchandiser.

Skills Requirements
Enthusiastic, Energetic, honest and reliable person who is interested in dealing with people.

Please Note:
This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Department
PETROL FORECOURT

Mentor
The Organisation will assign a mentor to support you during the Internship.

Duration
9 Months

Number of Positions
1

Contract Type
Other

Days, Hours & Start Date
Days per week: To be Advised
Hours per day: Not specified
Hours per week: 40
Start Date: TBC

Experience Required:

This is on the FAS web page.

AnnyHallsal · 15-05-2012 06:01PM

JustMary wrote: »

Ahh, I'm pretty sure that a Masters would be the standard entry qualification for this sort of job.

Meaning this is exactly the sort of thing that Job Bridge is for: a way for people with good quals, but no experience, to get some expereince.

Provided the person really is getting to appraise and arrange collections, and just not make coffee for the person doing the realy work (cf the so-calles "post production assistant") then I dont' see a problem.

That's true. Also with a recruitment embargo some of these positions might not be available at all without JobBride. The flipside is that as there are almost no jobs in the area as it is, JobBridge threatens to displace the few opportunities available.

BabyBirch · 16-05-2012 01:05PM

JustMary wrote: »

Ahh, I'm pretty sure that a Masters would be the standard entry qualification for this sort of job.

Meaning this is exactly the sort of thing that Job Bridge is for: a way for people with good quals, but no experience, to get some expereince.

Provided the person really is getting to appraise and arrange collections, and just not make coffee for the person doing the realy work (cf the so-calles "post production assistant") then I dont' see a problem.

There is only one place to study that MA in Ireland and they require you to have pre-course experience. Plenty of archives offer internships for a year in order to allow students to gain experience before they start the course. The fact that they are offering this internship only to graduates is beyond depressing - why would they hire and pay for a trained professional when they can get one for free?

triple-M · 16-05-2012 09:48PM

Paper Bag Making Machine Operator

Description

The intern will gain practical experience in the manufacturing of plain&printed paper bags, this will include learning how to put the reel of paper on the machine,putting the paper correctly through the machine,how to set the plate that makes the width of the bag, how to put on the printing plates,the process of gluing the bag and finally complete the final settings that will make the length of the bag. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following The use of various different grades of paper, Water-based Inks, Hot and Cold Glues, Flexographic printing plates and Pneumatic equipment. On completion the intern will have attained skills in the manufacturing and printing of various sizes of paper bags along with working with a wide range of paper bag making machines.
Skills Requirements

An enthusiastic, self starter with a strong mechanical interest. Must have the ability to follow instruction and a good team player.

road_high · 17-05-2012 06:37AM

triple-M wrote: »

Paper Bag Making Machine Operator

Description
On completion the intern will have attained skills in the manufacturing and printing of various sizes of paper bags along with working with a wide range of paper bag making machines.
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Are these people for real or what. What kind of numbskull in FAS would approve this? I really despair.

SerialComplaint · 17-05-2012 07:56AM

mfitzy wrote: »

triple-M wrote: »

Paper Bag Making Machine Operator

Description
On completion the intern will have attained skills in the manufacturing and printing of various sizes of paper bags along with working with a wide range of paper bag making machines.
QUOTE]

Are these people for real or what. What kind of numbskull in FAS would approve this? I really despair.

Honestly, I thought that this was one of the better roles. It is a straightforward manufacturing operator role. There is still a huge issue around job displacement etc, but as jobs go, it's not the worst that I've seen at all.

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 10:13AM

Hello all,

I am on month 6 of an internship in marketing and pr. I took the internship because I have a degree in marketing and was studying for a post grad while working at this internship.

I don't know if anyone else has this issue but I am not getting any experience in marketing. My so called "mentor" who is supposed to guide and train me hasn't shown up more than once a month since February. Now I am working as a receptionist in her salon and doing eCommerce solutions for her business.
I am more stressed than I have ever been because she keeps giving me tasks (technical and administrative) without any training. I have to teach myself and I am lost.

Jobsbridge don't seem to give a fiddlers as they haven't contacted me back after the endless emails and phone calls. They should know this before she goes and gets another intern and registers them at one of her other businesses. I would not like to see anyone go through what I have and leave with no experience after 6 months or however long it is.

Has anyone else had similar issues and if so what did you do?

skimpydoo · 28-05-2012 10:23AM

saraemagee wrote: »

Hello all,

I am on month 6 of an internship in marketing and pr. I took the internship because I have a degree in marketing and was studying for a post grad while working at this internship.

I don't know if anyone else has this issue but I am not getting any experience in marketing. My so called "mentor" who is supposed to guide and train me hasn't shown up more than once a month since February. Now I am working as a receptionist in her salon and doing eCommerce solutions for her business.
I am more stressed than I have ever been because she keeps giving me tasks (technical and administrative) without any training. I have to teach myself and I am lost.

Jobsbridge don't seem to give a fiddlers as they haven't contacted me back after the endless emails and phone calls. They should know this before she goes and gets another intern and registers them at one of her other businesses. I would not like to see anyone go through what I have and leave with no experience after 6 months or however long it is.

Has anyone else had similar issues and if so what did you do?

Why not just leave and go into FAS/SOLAS and explain the situation to them. Why should you bust your balls doing work that is not what you are meant to be doing. Since when is working as a receptionist Marketing & PR?.

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 10:30AM

I would enjoy nothing more but its the other people I work with that I would screw over. I will be gone in a month that's for sure.

Plus that extra 50 a week is the difference between petrol and selling the car.

MaryMunster · 28-05-2012 10:34AM

This is really awful to hear, its suppose to be a positive scheme to get people back working and its turning out to be exploiting people I think this is very sad indeed. I also feel 50 euro is quite a small amount for some of the work people have to take on, surely a company could pay even 100 euro could make a big difference to a persons life. Just my opinion

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 10:38AM

I am sure there are employers on job bridge who actually need people to work within the industry they are qualified for, but there are employers who see someone like me as a free worker who can be used in any sector of a business.

My favourite quote from my employer was "In my day a young person held onto their jobs with both hands because there weren't any jobs out there,"

This is their attitudes now. They only difference between 2012 and 1972 is that they get a full time employee for nothing!! Bottom of the food chain.

Bringbackrafa · 28-05-2012 11:22AM

saraemagee wrote: »

My favourite quote from my employer was "In my day a young person held onto their jobs with both hands because there weren't any jobs out there,"

I hate when people say that sort of thing to me. No disrespect to older people. but they need to move on its 2012, what happened in their day has no relevance in 2012 haha

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 11:30AM

haha yes. They could have gotten away with that then, not now when practically everyone has access to the internet.

But sadly, once this internship is over I will be back at the beginning. I can hardly go into an interview with all my qualifications and explain why I don't have any experience after doing an internship.

28-05-2012 11:32AM

Bringbackrafa wrote: »

I hate when people say that sort of thing to me. No disrespect to older people. but they need to move on its 2012, what happened in their day has no relevance in 2012 haha

Employers paying staff has no relevance in 2012?

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 11:35AM

I think what blindjustice means is that there weren't job schemes like this one when they were younger and looking for work. And its true, in the past people held onto jobs because it was difficult to find a position. whereas nowadays employee attitudes have changed but employers havent.

Mrs OBumble · 28-05-2012 12:24PM

saraemagee wrote: »

Now I am working as a receptionist in her salon and doing eCommerce solutions for her business.

If you're doing what you say you are, then you are gaining valuable experience, which you will be able to talk up in future interviews.

And don't be looking down your nose at reception either, in small companies that means that means the whole range of office administration tasks, and it can be very good experience.

abouttobebanned · 28-05-2012 12:27PM

JustMary wrote: »

If you're doing what you say you are, then you are gaining valuable experience, which you will be able to talk up in future interviews.

And don't be looking down your nose at reception either, in small companies that means that means the whole range of office administration tasks, and it can be very good experience.

But absolutely nothing to do with PR & Marketing.

This person is not getting any of the experience that was advertised.

saraemagee · 28-05-2012 12:35PM

How am I looking down my nose at reception? You can't post duties and then change it when the person starts work? And if I was looking down on reception work why would I has done it this long.

The pt is that there is nothing to stop an employer from getting a graduate to work for them in a position outside the intended role! And not to have the mentor in place that they are obliged to provide

Bringbackrafa · 28-05-2012 02:28PM

JustMary wrote: »

If you're doing what you say you are, then you are gaining valuable experience, which you will be able to talk up in future interviews.

And don't be looking down your nose at reception either, in small companies that means that means the whole range of office administration tasks, and it can be very good experience.

I'd say its bad enough having to be an intern in the first place, and then to be put in a job that you have no interest in and get no training in. No wonder she is unhappy. Doesn't sound like valuable experience.

If you complain and then it doesn't work out just leave. Put yourself first. Don't worry about your fellow employees. If your role was that vital they would pay you.

okiss · 28-05-2012 10:43PM

The purpose of job bridge is to give people a chance to get work experience and to make them more employable. This is not the case as this poor lady has found out. She is not gaining any training or experience in what she was employed for. In her case I would report this to fas as her so called employer is just using her as cheap labour.
At the moment because the jobs market is poor people are willing to work for €50 a week to get experience which jobs want. Employers are using people doing job bridge as a form of cheap labour. I have seen several well known companies near where I live do this. All of these companies would be in a position to pay min wage an hour for these jobs.
Job bridge has nearly stopped all min wage or above min wage jobs in my area.

Bringbackrafa · 29-05-2012 11:27AM

Is there any real difference in doing a 6month or 9 month internship for employers. The way I see it, a 9 month might give me 3 months extra experience but it also makes me 3 months less likely to get a paid job in marketing?

thebman · 29-05-2012 11:50AM

Job is gone from jobs bridge now but it was up for a couple of months from a local employer who had lost 3 members of staff due to workloads and pressure, each paid full wages and was trying to replace them with one jobs bridge worker.

Now I know the company was in financial difficulties but this should never have been accepted by the jobsbridge scheme as the roles were clearly conflicting (in that the person couldn't possibly do them all or have a mentor assigned to them in the company for them all as they had lost staff in the areas so there was nobody to train them).

It was a job no human being could do let alone for the money on offer and they wouldn't have gained valuable experience as they'd be running around like headless chickens and not have anyone to guide them or train them to perform the tasks. Really annoyed me to see that up on jobsbridge so thought I'd post it. The company is going to do what it has to in order to try to keep going but jobsbridge should be looking out for the welfare of workers and they aren't. Don't think the job ever got filled as I don't think anybody with qualifications in the area would be desperate enough to take it or stupid enough as you could see from the description it would be impossible to do the job.

Any old slave job is acceptable for this scheme, where is the quality control?? I'll be bringing it up with my local TD to be honest.

saraemagee · 29-05-2012 12:07PM

I have contacted my local TD about being taken for a ride with jobsbridge but also because I have sent about 6 emails and got nothing back. Joan Burton said on the radio that they would be keeping a close eye on employers but sure they must not be if it keeps going unnoticed!

It's the educated population of Ireland that are suffering, employers have a choice now to chose the over qualified to do a job that wasn't advertised.

connacht100 · 29-05-2012 03:22PM

Now this really takes the biscuit!!!!!!! :mad:

An internship in milking cows!!!!!!!

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DH4tVbg/+DfrZNUOsGxzcdGkDpbm4mPUVI6HxoUYy+1PzdzDYontpFhi47PO2xWJpwvV8WC7WLhCVSBFQ4IH7kwAVAzZ6eYeIW89k2VjJMlTqgsDUW5dEcG6M3k42kNXFz10ZQElCiR/SBpNTfd9ZTtfxXq+hnrJuvw0yQd4137vOD3IZZ9qscdiagmWceDXJcuazQsqbEjNQiyFQ6uceGf8XXM83XXDom7vWCyJ9eRju4kP1lTUXcGAQt3S0TtD/LMbKIi0CWRrwlDrMIPd0lehBNb6EUj1OxEzTNEjoKBOgw+40S2OAiQK8Uw2SJ5SM7YIsep9d1WDH2ynoX0PFdH+mU9h8E74p+N58S3XCMpef4ctdecGBGp67T05zM0NZyxFs7uquueQ72wAVObhNR9HoBkeSq9clA==

saraemagee · 29-05-2012 03:25PM

An internship in milking cows!!!!!!!

Of for Gods sake. That's insulting

StupidLikeAFox · 29-05-2012 03:36PM

The intern will gain practical experience in milking and handling dairy cows, general farm maintenance, care of cattle etc. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following using a modern milking parlour 32 units, herd management, etc. On completion the intern will have attained skills in all aspects of dairying to include quality of production methods, capable of working a modernised dairy unit, with up-to-date technology and maintenance of same.

Providing they get the experience required, that would be great experience for an agricultural graduate

Hank_Jones · 29-05-2012 03:37PM

saraemagee wrote: »

An internship in milking cows!!!!!!!

Of for Gods sake. That's insulting

Even more so when you take into account that the job is listed as 40 hours,

and those hours are more than likely going to be tough in terms of the time at which you'd have to start work each day.

People would have us working for free if they could.

christmas2012 · 29-05-2012 05:44PM

if people vote with their feet hopefully this job blocker will die a death just like fas is doing..

Little My · 29-05-2012 08:08PM

I was in my local Fas office today, turns out they can't offer me any help in any way.

I said to the officer that all the jobs I would have applied for are now Jobbridge vacancies (basic administrative assistant, receptionist etc) He commiserated with me and said that in his opinion all those positions should be real jobs, and that all jobbridge was doing was taking jobs out of the system.

If the government aren't even listening to their own people on the ground who are they taking advice from??

Name and Shame Job Bridge

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