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BBC propaganda stunt on Syria massacre backfires.

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  • #32
    saladin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭saladin


    tigger123 wrote: »
    BBC probably were short of a visual but wanted to go ahead with the story, or could have just made a mistake.

    Either that's what happened, OR!!!! The BBC are now a tool of a US propaganda machine (according to some posters). Hmmmmmmmm ...



    Well said I begin to worry about how gullible people are believing in Hilderberg, illuminati conspiracies and the like thank God (pardon the expression I'm atheist )
    there are still sane young people.


    I wonder if the Run of the mills thinks 9/11 and moon landings are conspiracies just because you find a small inconsistency doesn't outweigh the tons of other evidence plus general coupon.


  • #33
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Didn't something similar happen during the conflict in Libya? They showed video footage of protestors in Egypt and passed-it-of-as/mixed-it-up-with demonstrations taking place in Tripoli.

    edit// Actually, it was footage from India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zRYtRqt824


    Notice in the footage segment itself how it says 'Live From Tripoli'.. that's some mistake to make!


  • #34
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    RichieC wrote: »
    Nearly as bad as reporting WTC7 collapsing 20 minutes before it did.

    It was about to collapse. That or the BBC is in control of the Zionist-Corporate-Miscrosoft-White-Patriacrhical conspiracy... though owned by the state.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Standard. That's exactly what happened in the run up to Iraq 2. Watched a very interesting documentary on how the corporate media is little more than a tool of those pulling the levers behind the scenes.

    The BBC probably was anti-War in general. In any case it would give lots of space to the anti-War side, as per it's remit.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    so who killed 56 people in Syria then? or did it simply not happen?

    I'd go with Assad.
    tigger123 wrote: »
    So, you don't think this massacre happened at all? I've just seen footage taken on mobile phones on the Channel 4 news ... you really believe this is a lie?

    They are blaming the Zionist-Alien-Corporate-Apple Computer conspiracy. I think.

    Crazy how loon-talk has become mainstream. As for Zionists, who I wouldn't really call blameless in other aspects of the Middle East, I am perfectly sure that they would prefer Assad to the alternative, which is probably some class of an Islamic State. There are actual real neo-conservative news papers out there, in the US the National Review and the Weekly standard, are either pretty equivocal on this proposed intervention, or downright hostile. Nor is anyone really talking about war.

    Me, I despise Assad, but he might be better than the alternative. However, as the OP knows full well, conspiracy forum that way ==>


  • #35
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,331 ✭✭✭RichieC


    saladin wrote: »
    Well said I begin to worry about how gullible people are believing in Hilderberg, illuminati conspiracies and the like thank God (pardon the expression I'm atheist )
    there are still sane young people.


    I wonder if the Run of the mills thinks 9/11 and moon landings are conspiracies just because you find a small inconsistency doesn't outweigh the tons of other evidence plus general coupon.

    9/11 whether is was an inside job or not is still a conspiracy.


  • #36
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    tiger55 wrote: »
    How much are you being paid?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMvM1KJBlEE

    could you tell me the best way to prevent aliens anal probing me, it is my biggest nightmare.


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  • #37
    tiger55
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭tiger55


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There is a number of ways to look at this incident.

    1/ It was a genuine atrocity carried out by the Syrian Government.

    2/ It was a "false flag" carried out by NATO insurgents with the intention of putting blame on the Syrian Government.

    3/ Did it even happen at all, IE staged event.

    With big journalist blunders like this in main steam media I would tend to discredit the 1st option.

    I would guess option 2


  • #38
    Tym
    Closed Accounts Posts: 235 ✭✭Tym


    9/11 whether is was an inside job or not is still a conspiracy.

    How?


  • #39
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    tigger123 wrote: »
    So, you don't think this massacre happened at all? I've just seen footage taken on mobile phones on the Channel 4 news ... you really believe this is a lie?
    It was one of the options I suggested but I would be more inclined to go by option two.

    I do believe it could well be a false flag.

    2,977 innocent lives were murdered on the morning of September 11th 2001 so 66 lives would be nothing to them.


  • #40
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    RichieC wrote: »
    9/11 whether is was an inside job or not is still a conspiracy.

    Pedantic much? You know what they meant by the post.


  • #41
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    It was one of the options I suggested but I would be more inclined to go by option two.

    I do believe it could well be a false flag.

    2,977 innocent lives were murdered on the morning of September 11th 2001 so 66 lives would be nothing to them.

    "Them"?

    Who are "Them"?


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  • #42
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    tigger123 wrote: »
    "Them"?

    Who are "Them"?

    The Zionist-New-World-Order-Lizard alliance, who run the BBC and the world.


  • #43
    Borderfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    If it was from a mobile phone then it must be true. And the free syrian army wouldnt have massacred a load of people and filmed it for their own purposes. Hmmm

    tigger123 wrote: »
    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    There is a number of ways to look at this incident.

    1/ It was a genuine atrocity carried out by the Syrian Government.

    2/ It was a "false flag" carried out by NATO insurgents with the intention of putting blame on the Syrian Government.

    3/ Did it even happen at all, IE staged event.

    With big journalist blunders like this in main steam media I would tend to discredit the 1st option.

    So, you don't think this massacre happened at all? I've just seen footage taken on mobile phones on the Channel 4 news ... you really believe this is a lie?


  • #44
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Borderfox wrote: »
    If it was from a mobile phone then it must be true. And the free syrian army wouldnt have massacred a load of people and filmed it for their own purposes. Hmmm

    They could have, but do you have any

    1) Proof they would?
    2) Proof that Assad didn't?
    3) Explanations of why locals blame Assad?


  • #45
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    They could have, but do you have any

    1) Proof they would?
    2) Proof that Assad didn't?
    3) Explanations of why locals blame Assad?

    Apart from what's being fed to us by the media, what proof for anything could any of us possibly have?

    The fact that the BBC have not admitted that they mistakenly used the incorrect footage is just as damaging as it would be if they had used false images on purpose.


  • #46
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    The Zionist-New-World-Order-Lizard alliance, who run the BBC and the world.

    This explains. :)

    r8z0jo.jpg


  • #47
    Apolloyon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭Apolloyon


    Has our Taoiseach Victor Garber weighed in on this yet?


  • #48
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Apart from what's being fed to us by the media, what proof for anything could any of us possibly have?

    The fact that the BBC have not admitted that they mistakenly used the incorrect footage is just as damaging as it would be if they had used false images on purpose.

    OK, so if the media are controlling everything, how do we account for social media and it's role in these conflicts? The raw footage that's taken and instantly uploaded to places like you tube? Stuff like this ...

    NSFW ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOYTXv-ngM - if someone could embed this for me I'd be grateful, I don't know how.

    There's a whole host of "amateur" footage in the links on the right, although it's not for the faint hearted. Are all these people actors?

    And all the footage from Libya? And from the Arab Spring? The protests n such?


  • #49
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Apart from what's being fed to us by the media, what proof for anything could any of us possibly have?

    The fact that the BBC have not admitted that they mistakenly used the incorrect footage is just as damaging as it would be if they had used false images on purpose.

    That or they haven't got around to saying it was a mistake - although I didn't see the broadcast, they were equivocal about the source of the footage to begin with.


  • #50
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    tigger123 wrote: »
    OK, so if the media are controlling everything, how do we account for social media and it's role in these conflicts? The raw footage that's taken and instantly uploaded to places like you tube? Stuff like this ...

    NSFW ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOYTXv-ngM - if someone could embed this for me I'd be grateful, I don't know how.

    There's a whole host of "amateur" footage in the links on the right, although it's not for the faint hearted. Are all these people actors?

    And all the footage from Libya? And from the Arab Spring? The protests n such?

    All social media showing assad in a bad light = lizards. Shure, assad is a dote.


  • #51
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    All social media showing assad in a bad light = lizards. Shure, assad is a dote.

    I like it! Not the people running the social media are lizard zionists, but the social media itself is a lizard zionist ... this thing goes all the way to Mark Zuckerberg! :D


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  • #52
    plasmaguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    BBC is a big organisation, mistakes are bound to happen, the only thing is, almost everything the BBC does ends up in the public domain, whereas mistakes in other workplaces, hardly anyone ever hears about them.


  • #53
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    tigger123 wrote: »
    OK, so if the media are controlling everything, how do we account for social media and it's role in these conflicts? The raw footage that's taken and instantly uploaded to places like you tube? Stuff like this ...

    NSFW ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwOYTXv-ngM - if someone could embed this for me I'd be grateful, I don't know how.

    There's a whole host of "amateur" footage in the links on the right, although it's not for the faint hearted. Are all these people actors?

    And all the footage from Libya? And from the Arab Spring? The protests n such?

    They control everything they show and tell you, yes. I never mentioned stuff uploaded to YouTube etc. And I'm not claiming that no atrocities are/were taking place in any of the countries you mentioned.

    This thread is about the BBC, and how they mislead the public by either showing fake footage deliberately or mistakenly showing incorrect footage and failing to acknowledge that mistake. My point was that in either case it has the same effect of the perceptions of those viewing it. Trust is eroded in both scenarios.

    Did you watch the video I posted earlier in the thread?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zRYtRqt824


    Look at how it says 'Live From Tripoli' in the top left corner.. I fail to see how that could be a genuine mistake, live links like that are usually verified by crews on the ground, and it'd be almost impossible for them to even mistake a live link with archived prerecorded footage.


  • #54
    Borderfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,265 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    The media are reporting unverified reports as fact when they shouldnt, there are plenty of unedited versions of the free syrian armies exploits that have not made it into the media. All I know is what I see but its not coming from the bbc. There is atm no proof either way as to whats going on in Syria bar a lot of innocent people are being killed in the crossfire.

    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    Borderfox wrote: »
    If it was from a mobile phone then it must be true. And the free syrian army wouldnt have massacred a load of people and filmed it for their own purposes. Hmmm

    They could have, but do you have any

    1) Proof they would?
    2) Proof that Assad didn't?
    3) Explanations of why locals blame Assad?


  • #55
    Redjeep!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 493 ✭✭Redjeep!


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Apart from what's being fed to us by the media, what proof for anything could any of us possibly have?

    How about first hand accounts from Syrian friends who've just come back from Syria ?

    Or is that just me ?
    Or would you rather believe your own pet conspiracy theory ?


  • #56
    Mallei
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭Mallei


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Standard. That's exactly what happened in the run up to Iraq 2. Watched a very interesting documentary on how the corporate media is little more than a tool of those pulling the levers behind the scenes.

    Was the documentary on Youtube, by any chance?


  • #57
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    so are the three of you claiming the massacre didn't take place and that the whole thing about 10,000 civilians killed by the Syrian authorities is just the west creating propaganda in the run up to an invasion?

    Tbh I'm not really following the Syrian thing very closely so I don't know enough to comment.

    I just know enough to be sceptical of the media and especially the US corporate media which was about as effective as Soviet era Pravda when it came to reporting the truth in the run up to the invasion of Iraq (2).

    Fwiw I think the BBC probably just made a stupid mistake in this case and I would rate the BBC as one of the more trustworthy news services (albeit from a British perspective).
    Mallei wrote: »
    Was the documentary on Youtube, by any chance?

    http://metanoia-films.org


  • #58
    Haelium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 412 ✭✭Haelium


    British media, not even once.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQuglSbXeVo

    http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/01/23/itv-documentary-that-featured-arma-2-footage-declared-materially-misleading-by-regulator/


  • #59
    xflyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    I do believe it could well be a false flag.
    You love the 'false flag' fantasy. Like all internet conspiracists nothing is ever as it seems. For some reason you find it hard to believe a vicious despotic regime is incapable of slaughtering men, women and children. Therefore it must be the Americans/British/Israelis who are obviously behind everything so they can start a war in Syria after doing so well with those wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. :rolleyes:

    It's ridiculous and juvenile. I know After Hours is anything goes but there is a conspiracy forum where you can go and make something from nothing.

    You do know that most of us think you people are actually a bit of joke. A not very funny joke though.


  • #60
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Yes I do believe that this is a part of a well organised Zionist propaganda machine with a far greater agenda ahead of it.
    Yeah, but you also believe that Barack Obama is the actual anti-Christ, so your beliefs are a bit...off the wall and unreliable... :)


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  • #61
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Mallei wrote: »
    Was the documentary on Youtube, by any chance?

    Check out Operation Mocking Bird - it will save you having to watch hours of documentary.


    Congressional hearings in 1976 proved CIA had been paying off editors and reporters in most mainstream media outlets


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