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Should Private Companies not Irish State pay social welfare costs of foreign workers?

  • 25-05-2012 07:23PM
    #1
    mogrady14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭


    If a foreign worker working in Ireland for a private sector employer e.g. Tesco or a private cleaning company loses their job or retires, the Irish State pays their social welfare/pension not their employer. I know the employer and employee pays PRSI but social welfare costs a lot. e.g. 188 euro for one person, more for each child, 600 to 1000euro for rent allowance, medical cards for the worker and children, teachers to teach the children, pensions. This all costs more than Employers and employee PRSI and the taxpayer is left to pay up.The State also has to pay for the unemployed Irish. Tescos and big business should pay their way.If they benefit from foreign labor they should pay the full costs e.g. pay education costs of worker's children, full pension costs (not leave it to the state), medical card, housing benefit. The taxpayer is also coughing up for thousands of medical cards and housing benefit for foreign nationals.

    Why shouldn't the private sector employer have to pay the social welfare costs of foreign workers? Why should the Irish State pay for the pensions/social welfare of foreign nationals? The Irish State has to pay for the education of children of foreign worker, medical cards also. How is this affordable for the Irish State? I have seen stroke patients who couldn't feed themselves being told there is no money for home help, so how is all this affordable?


Comments

  • #2
    ArmaniJeanss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,152 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    mogrady14 wrote: »
    Why shouldn't the private sector employer have to pay the social welfare costs of foreign workers?

    Because 'no longer being employed by a company' means ' the company doesn't have to pay any more wages to that person'.

    It's fcuking radical I know.


  • #3
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Offhand, it would be part of the EU directives that Ireland has signed up for to do this. It would be the same courtesy extended to us working within other EU countries


  • #4
    Doom
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭Doom


    And those companies should pay for all the swans they eat too ;)


  • #5
    paul71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭paul71


    I assume this thread will be closed quickly because it is nowhere near the standard required, but lets entertain it for a moment.

    The largest group of non-national workers in Ireland are British, the 2nd is Polish and the 3rd are French, all EU countries. EU law obliges all members to threat citizens of other members states in the same manner as its own citizens, so if we opt not to we break the most basic tenent of the EU and would simply be fined. The only option if we wanted to continue with such a daft law would be to leave the EU which would result in immediate closure of almost every multi-national in the country.

    Britain would probably then no longer feel obliged to pay social welfare to any of the 1 million plus people born in the Republic who live there many of whom are OAPs, they would then probably come home.

    Above are 2 of the many hundreds of reasons I could give.


  • #6
    munchkin_utd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,970 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Manach wrote: »
    Offhand, it would be part of the EU directives that Ireland has signed up for to do this. It would be the same courtesy extended to us working within other EU countries
    indeed

    if any of us Irish in say germany (or uk or scandanavia) loose our job then we are entitled to the same benefits as a local.

    actually, same as the irish who used to flock to the UK in droves to avail of free college fees, all because of EU rules that all EU citizens are to be treated the same as locals.


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  • #7
    mogrady14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 101 ✭✭mogrady14


    The issue is that the EU/Business is not funding this. The Irish State (who had to receive bailouts from the IMF) is asked to.


  • #8
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,360 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    in before the lock :D

    mogrady14 wrote: »
    The issue is that the EU/Business is not funding this. The Irish State (who had to receive bailouts from the IMF) is asked to.

    What about all the Irish receiving welfare payments in other EU countries? Also not funded by the Irish state?


  • #9
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Next thing you'll be telling me we spend 20 million a year for child benefit for children who are not even in Ireland ;)


  • #10
    Dr Galen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,359 ✭✭✭Dr Galen


    Sometimes an OP doesn't really meet the standard for the forum but in some of those cases we will leave it open, purely because the OP has put forward a point that needs some clarification, is making a point that just doesn't stand up and/or has just gotten the wrong end of the stick. That is the case here.

    OP - other posters have shown why your idea isn't feasible.

    Closing this down now

    Cheers

    DrG


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