Rangers FC lodge papers to go into administration

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Rangers Tax Case has been at the forefront of revealing goings on at your disgraceful club. You should be lauding him and his findings, instead you're attacking the messenger.

So what's your view on the whole thing then?

There there bobby, the mask's slipping a wee bit.

I wonder who'll accept the award :pac:

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Rangers Tax Case has been at the forefront of revealing goings on at your disgraceful club. You should be lauding him and his findings, instead you're attacking the messenger.

So what's your view on the whole thing then?

RoryMac wrote: »

It's hard not to believe most of what is written about Rangers these days, the stuff we do know to be true would have seemed like lunacy just a few short years ago but now look at Rangers' position....but of course it's the Celtic fans that are to be mocked rather than the Rangers fans that stuck their heads in the sand as their club went to the wall.

Funny - You great proclaimers of justice and order seem happy to not only let the "Doesn't mean it didnt happen" theory pass, but also defend it.

FF is hardly representative of the general Rangers fanbase, on the contrary I would say.

Not only that, but I'm sure that thread was also full of people who couldn't care less if the ROI would wear a black armband or not.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

FF is hardly representative of the general Rangers fanbase, on the contrary I would say.

Not often i'd agree with Jelle but i have to agree with the above.

Old Gill wrote: »

On its own it would be. Added to my own experiences on ferries with them, songs from their support and their own history then it was very much in keeping with previous views about them

Very typical of the viewpoint of a fan who doesnt hail from the city, or indeed the country, of the club he is commenting on.
(I see Rory's post above though )

How often do you actually mix with supporters of Rangers, have you ever?
When you travel to Scotland, do you go to the game, surround yourself with Celtic fans, maybe go to one or two boozers around the Gallowgate - or the Brazen?
I'm willing to bet you know very few, if any Rangers supporters tbh.

Hardly a basis for an educated estimation of your average fan.

Personally i've had some horrendous experiences with Celtic fans, including one which left a guy in my company with a broken pelvis. I'd never even think to generalise about the Celtic support in the way that you have just done.

Eirebear wrote: »

Funny - You great proclaimers of justice and order seem happy to not only let the "Doesn't mean it didnt happen" theory pass, but also defend it.

Probably due to Celtic fans being far more accurate than Rangers fans in how this whole situation would play out.

Does that mean every allegation made is true? Of course not but there is mounting evidence that Rangers are guilty of breaching a series of SFA rules and that evidence is coming from sources which have been proved right before.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Not really, but that also doesn't mean it was used for the Tugay transfer or whatever they claimed.

Taking Tugay out of it though, the payment is strange, there seems to be no outstanding reason that it was made. I don't mind how it's buttered up, but to me something stinks about it, where there's smoke there's fire.

Did Murray take out £6m in EBT's, yet actually put in no cash at all??

lubo_moravcik wrote: »

Taking Tugay out of it though, the payment is strange, there seems to be no outstanding reason that it was made. I don't mind how it's buttered up, but to me something stinks about it, where there's smoke there's fire.

Did Murray take out £6m in EBT's, yet actually put in no cash at all??

Agreed about the Souness thing, it's weird to say the least.

Murray claims his 6m came from MIH's EBT scheme, not Rangers'.

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

One thing the show last night has clarified to me is why Rangers fans anger at Murray is fair enough, I always respected him and found it unfair that he was getting so much abuse considering the amount of success his money brought the club and that he was just badly informed on the EBT scheme, last night has shown that all along he was basically another Craig Whyte but playing the long game.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me that in comparison to Whyte then there is little or no anger towards Murray.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Most Rangers fans (If not all) are aware that Murray started this all.

It's just that Whyte's ****-ups were far more clear (Not paying PAYE and NI, for example, and the lies), nobody knows yet how exactly Murray is involved.

But I'm sure it'll all be clear at one point.

Maybe Murray duped Whyte

Eirebear wrote: »

I don't think anyone truly believes that - if anyone duped Craig Whyte it was Lloyds TSB. I believe they were the ones pushing the sale through by the end.

Personally i think Whyte is a chancer, and thought he saw an opportunity - it backfired.
He's at best, a fool and out of his depths - at worst, a conman and out of his depths.

To be fair, that's my exact opinion on Whyte too.
He saw an opportunity to jump in at the helm of a footballing heavyweight team, make a few million for himself and get out again. He just hadn't a baldy notion of what he was doing and assumedly took bad advice and it epically backfired on him.

Re: Dark Mingwall !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the rst have released this press statement on last nights events

Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:02
"These are extremely serious allegations, and taken at face value, raise serious doubts concerning Duff & Phelps’ independence in the administration process. Roger Isaacs from the Institute of Chartered Accountants for England and Wales has claimed this is one of the starkest conflicts of interests he has ever seen means this now needs urgent investigation and the Rangers Supporters’ Trust will be writing to the appropriate agencies requesting a full investigation of Duff and Phelps’ role.

"The number one priority must still remain Rangers exit administration under new ownership and any action against Duff and Phelps should not destabilize this process.

“However, Duff & Phelps need to be independently investigated by the appropriate professional and regulatory bodies. The evidence presented so far suggests that Craig Whyte, Collyer Bristow and representatives of Duff & Phelps were possibly involved in constructing a financial arrangement that is potentially illegal and has done irreparable damage to Rangers FC - no stone should be left unturned in the investigation."

Dempsey wrote: »

Eirebear wrote: »

Lol - Sums up this whole process from a Celtic fans point of view, from certain "Award Winning" bloggers, and indeed from Neil "They're guilty" Doncaster.

What are you blabbing on about or have you forgotten that evidence has been destroyed by sub trustees? :rolleyes:

cruiserweight wrote: »

It doesn't mean that it did or didn't happen, could not find more evidence is hardly a vindication. My point was more that it was not the documentary alone that was making these implications, they were backed up as being view held by others or with evidence.

Alex Thomson has a new blog post, he seemed to like the BBC piece http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/rangers-resolution-hold-breath/1635

I merely pointed out that no evidence doesnt mean that it didnt happen because evidence has been destroyed by people that dont want to be caught red handed although they have been named.

I have no proof of that, of course..."that doesn't mean it didn't happen...."