I can't believe there are still Northern Irish people like this.

kermit_the_dog · 23-05-2012 03:09PM

Rented Mule wrote: »

I'm not doubting what you are saying, but are there any documented statistics on this ?

there are and im trying to dig them out , something three quaters of reports of sectarianism made to police in glasgow were by catholics

Crooked Jack · 23-05-2012 03:10PM

cesc77 wrote: »

semantics

Deviation necessary?

Northern Ireland is a country.

Geography lesson much?

You sound like the worst kind of patronising arsehole. Yer man was only asking a question and a fairly legitimate one given that people from the north can opt to play for either Ireland or Britain.
Also "geography lesson much." I feel compelled to inform you that you are not Ace Ventura.

awec · 23-05-2012 03:10PM

kermit_the_dog wrote: »

rory was carefull to exhibit signs of nationalism , that would not happen in a country without sectarian tension , btw , i think he played it very shrewdly

What?! :pac:

See this is the issue. Too many people like you trying to work out what religion / political outlook our sports men and women have. As if that's in any way important.

And I take issue with anyone trying to claim the moral highground for "their" side when it comes to sectarianism and hate crime.

kermit_the_dog wrote: »

there are and im trying to dig them out , something three quaters of reports of sectarianism made to police in glasgow were by catholics

Who cares about Glasgow in a thread about Northern Ireland?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-05-2012 03:13PM

We all remember the horrible night 93 in that concrete kip Windsor Park I presume. Terrifying experience for anyone with a southern accent. When Alan McLoughlin stuffed them with that equaliser it looked like a riot could break out. I was a young child at the time and that night forever engrained in me the divide between North and South, Loyalist and Republican etc.

Crooked Jack · 23-05-2012 03:16PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We all remember the horrible night 93 in that concrete kip Windsor Park I presume. Terrifying experience for anyone with a southern accent. When Alan McLoughlin stuffed them with that equaliser it looked like a riot could break out. I was a young child at the time and that night forever engrained in me the divide between North and South, Loyalist and Republican etc.

I dont know why it engrained a north south divide in you given that half the people in the north would have been supporting the Republic in that match

ronjo · 23-05-2012 03:17PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We all remember the horrible night 93 in that concrete kip Windsor Park I presume. Terrifying experience for anyone with a southern accent. When Alan McLoughlin stuffed them with that equaliser it looked like a riot could break out. I was a young child at the time and that night forever engrained in me the divide between North and South, Loyalist and Republican etc.

I remember wanting to go up to that but we were told in no uncertain terms that we were going at our own risk. Safety in no way guaranteed.

IrishAm · 23-05-2012 03:20PM

J Cheever Loophole wrote: »

Whilst I remember the stories about Armagh flags

Do you post on the resdubs forum?;)

kermit_the_dog · 23-05-2012 03:20PM

awec wrote: »

What?! :pac:

See this is the issue. Too many people like you trying to work out what religion / political outlook our sports men and women have. As if that's in any way important.

And I take issue with anyone trying to claim the moral highground for "their" side when it comes to sectarianism and hate crime.

Who cares about Glasgow in a thread about Northern Ireland?

so you think sectarianism was visited upon each community in equal measure by the other ?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-05-2012 03:20PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I dont know why it engrained a north south divide in you given that half the people in the north would have been supporting the Republic in that match

Not those who were there that night, the NI fans were bitter of our success and when we qualified for the world cup on their backs they went ape. That scumbag Billy Bingham was also doing his best to wind them up from the sideline.

eamo12 · 23-05-2012 03:23PM

See absolutely nothing wrong with that. You seem to be a nationalist shinner type so of course your offended if you hear Londonderry. Thats what some people call it. Deal with it.

awec · 23-05-2012 03:25PM

kermit_the_dog wrote: »

so you think sectarianism was visited upon each community in equal measure by the other ?

Yes. Both sides committed terrible acts. Neither side can really hold their head high. Nobody can claim any sort of highground.

Unless of course you really want to start this "well, this one time back in 1973..." stuff, in which case knock yourself out, I won't bother with that crap.

Crooked Jack · 23-05-2012 03:28PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Not those who were there that night, the NI fans were bitter of our success and when we qualified for the world cup on their backs they went ape. That scumbag Billy Bingham was also doing his best to wind them up from the sideline.

I'd say there were quite a few people from the north there supporting Ireland.
Ive no doubt it was terrifying, I was only 7 when it happened but I remember seeing it on the news.
Im just concerned that it gave you a north/south mentality, after all, that team doesnt really represent the north, it represents a certain section of the north.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-05-2012 03:30PM

eamo12 wrote: »

See absolutely nothing wrong with that. You seem to be a nationalist shinner type so of course your offended if you hear Londonderry. Thats what some people call it. Deal with it.

I'm not nationalist in the least, I'm perfectly happy with our 26 counties and for Northern Ireland to be its own state. I even look out for the NI teams results and always hope they do well. Its just that we weren't used to that kind of atmosphere and we found it very intimidating at the time.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-05-2012 03:32PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I'd say there were quite a few people from the north there supporting Ireland.
Ive no doubt it was terrifying, I was only 7 when it happened but I remember seeing it on the news.
Im just concerned that it gave you a north/south mentality, after all, that team doesnt really represent the north, it represents a certain section of the north.

Thats right its only a certain section of the north but I suppose as a child I wasn't really aware that the divide ran so deep between the two communities.

kermit_the_dog · 23-05-2012 03:32PM

awec wrote: »

Yes. Both sides committed terrible acts. Neither side can really hold their head high. Nobody can claim any sort of highground.

Unless of course you really want to start this "well, this one time back in 1973..." stuff, in which case knock yourself out, I won't bother with that crap.

im not refering to violence , im talking about sectarianism in other forms from employment exclusivity to political priveledge to social stigma

rgmmg · 23-05-2012 03:32PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We all remember the horrible night 93 in that concrete kip Windsor Park I presume. Terrifying experience for anyone with a southern accent. When Alan McLoughlin stuffed them with that equaliser it looked like a riot could break out. I was a young child at the time and that night forever engrained in me the divide between North and South, Loyalist and Republican etc.

I was at the first meeting between the Rep and Northern Ireland in the group at Lansdowne Road. Shortly after the Rep of Ireland went 3-0 up in the first half, a rendition of "One team in Ireland...there's only one team in Ireland" went up. That would annoy me if I was a Northern Ireland fan/manager/player so am sure that added to the anger at Windsor that night!

IrishAm · 23-05-2012 03:38PM

rgmmg wrote: »

I was at the first meeting between the Rep and Northern Ireland in the group at Lansdowne Road. Shortly after the Rep of Ireland went 3-0 up in the first half, a rendition of "One team in Ireland...there's only one team in Ireland" went up. That would annoy me if I was a Northern Ireland fan/manager/player so am sure that added to the anger at Windsor that night!

Watched that in class when I was in primary. Staunton scored from a corner!

Slagging the away fans is part and parcel of being a football fan and is meant in good humour. We get called junkies when we play away in Dublin and get abuse for being Dubs when we play outside of it.

If you get angry over it, you should probably invest in some anger management classes.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 23-05-2012 04:29PM

true wrote: »

Our little country down here has only the population of a small to mid size city.....

Sorry to be pedantic now, but what small to mid-size city has a population of 4.5 million?

kermit_the_dog · 23-05-2012 04:40PM

deccurley wrote: »

Sorry to be pedantic now, but what small to mid-size city has a population of 4.5 million?

one in china :pac:

Richard · 23-05-2012 07:14PM

rgmmg wrote: »

I was at the first meeting between the Rep and Northern Ireland in the group at Lansdowne Road. Shortly after the Rep of Ireland went 3-0 up in the first half, a rendition of "One team in Ireland...there's only one team in Ireland" went up. That would annoy me if I was a Northern Ireland fan/manager/player so am sure that added to the anger at Windsor that night!

To be fair, I've hear Northern Ireland fans singing that too, in fact I suspect NI started that chant (I've heard them singing when NI play other teams) and the Republic fans were giving them a dose of their own medicine.

I think that's light-hearted slagging, tbh.

Of course, there's only one team that was every officially called Ireland, and its headquarters are in Belfast. :-)

fasttalkerchat · 23-05-2012 07:16PM

Did you think they all got deported as part of the Good Friday Agreement??

Of course those sort of people are still around!

fasttalkerchat · 23-05-2012 07:19PM

Richard wrote: »

Of course, there's only one team that was every officially called Ireland, and its headquarters are in Belfast. :-)

That's true too. Unfortunately they are now named Northern Ireland and do not represent all of Ireland.
I support the republic because I believe they come closest to representing Ireland as a whole. Although unfortunately only are a 32 county team when it suits them!

Ms.M · 23-05-2012 09:11PM

kermit_the_dog wrote: »

their is nothing to suggest bigotry in the republic of ireland is anything like it is in glasgow or parts of northern ireland , its stupid to suggest otherwise , when has the religon of a sports person , politican or businessman become an issue in the irish republic in the past several decades , constrast that with neil lennon or even rory mc elroy and the difference is stark

Oi! No need to be patronising!

I said that sectarianism is out of fashion in the Republic. All forms of bigotry are fundamentally the same thing; it is part of human beings' psychology that we have prejudices, when these are unchecked or unchallenged (or when people are plain old thick) they're sometimes taken for truth.

Many Irish people are very capable of replacing knowledge with prejudice to support their arguments. And we also have our punching bags. If any of our minorities constituted a similar percentage of the population as Nationalists do in the North or Catholics in Glasgow we'd be just as f%*ed.

I don't think bigots should ever be allowed represent an entire community. Nationalists and Unionists differ but bigots are the same everywhere. Don't give them so much credit! We have the Good Friday Agreement, we can ignore them now. So let's!

Chuck Stone · 23-05-2012 09:15PM

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Sound of Silence · 23-05-2012 09:27PM

awec wrote: »

Rory McIlroy?

What are you on about?

You're making it up as you go along.

With all that bitterness you need to make sure you don't ruin your dinner!

I'm not sure if he's being bitter. I think he's just identifying an unfortunate aspect of Northern Irish society.

You do realise that for some people in Northern Ireland, Sports Stars can't be shared between the communities.

Many Northern Irish Sportsmen have had to at some point negotiate the perillous subject of idendity.Some people have been able to straddle it well and appeal to both sides of the Community. Others haven't been quite so subtle.

Whilst we may have on the whole emerged as a more peaceful nation since the GFA, the existence of petty sectarian divides will remain an issue for many years to come.

kermit_the_dog · 23-05-2012 09:50PM

Sound of Silence wrote: »

I'm not sure if he's being bitter. I think he's just identifying an unfortunate aspect of Northern Irish society.

You do realise that for some people in Northern Ireland, Sports Stars can't be shared between the communities.

Many Northern Irish Sportsmen have had to at some point negotiate the perillous subject of idendity.Some people have been able to straddle it well and appeal to both sides of the Community. Others haven't been quite so subtle.

Whilst we may have on the whole emerged as a more peaceful nation since the GFA, the existence of petty sectarian divides will remain an issue for many years to come.

prescisely

some have deal with it skillfully like martin o neil and rory mcilroy , others less so like nigel worthington or billy bingham

Varied · 23-05-2012 09:58PM

We aren't all bad, well, not all the time hai.

mikemac1 · 23-05-2012 10:00PM

Eddie Irvine got a podium place in Argentina and the tricolour was raised

His parents in Down got death threats from the UVF

And so the Union Flag was used from then on

briany · 23-05-2012 10:06PM

Of course OWC is of a unionist bent but see how far you'd get if you were an open unionist posting on YBIG and then decided from the responses you got that that's how all people from the Republic of Ireland were. I don't think that would be a fair assessment based on such a small and skewed sample.

Let's not fuel the fires of sectarian bigotry mocking the bigots which invariably, unfortunately, leads to the mockers making bigoted statements of their own and looking just as bad to outside eyes.

yore · 23-05-2012 10:57PM

I can't believe it's not butter

I can't believe there are still Northern Irish people like this.

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