Intelligent voting

Tesco Massacre · 21-05-2012 11:28PM

Wetai wrote: »

I don't think you should have to provide a reason, but you should have the option to explain your vote, if you want to. But I doubt anyone would read the reasons, or would just pick the ones that make them look good.
In an election: "X People said I'm the best candidate in Irish history"
"But Y people, which is 2x more than X people, said you're a feckin gob****e who should be shot"
"Ah, nevermind those ones, let's just publish how many were in the X group"

Hehe

Why did you vote for Candidate A?
'Cause fu*k you, that's why.

douglashyde · 21-05-2012 11:30PM

There's some of the opinion that people with higher levels of education (College grads) should be given more votes - which I think is cocky pop.

That said, I do believe people should have answer a factually unbiased question about the treaty before they vote.... So, you know we make sure we don't have any half wits voting. Mary Lou and Joe "Stalin" Higgins come to mind.

Me.. I like to flip a coin.

BattleCorp · 21-05-2012 11:32PM

douglashyde wrote: »

There's some of the opinion that people with higher levels of education (College grads) should be given more votes - which I think is cocky pop.

Me.. I like to flip a coin.

We already have a system like that. As far as I can remember, some members of the Seanad are elected by this method - by college grads etc.

Open to correction but I don't think I'm wrong.

paddyandy · 21-05-2012 11:39PM

OP There should be an assessment of overall mental and emotional fitness to vote on any poll and especially at election time with failures giving a blank vote to save embarrassment . Like many good ideas it won't happen .

Archeron · 21-05-2012 11:39PM

I'm voting no because there are less letters in no than in yes, and austerity in the amount of letters we use is something we simply have to face.

nice_very · 22-05-2012 12:28AM

donvito99 wrote: »

I live my life doing the opposite of what that cow Mary Lou says.

thats a very sad way to live your life IMO

I hope she sees your post and sends you a PM telling you not to jump off a bridge/emigrate/cut yourself or a combination of all three.

AnonoBoy · 22-05-2012 12:31AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

I am voting intelligently, that is not wasting my time voting. They wont say "well the people voted no, so that is that" No people we will be made vote again and again until we give them what they need. Or they will fudge the numbers.

Or if everyone thought like you, all the people who wanted to vote no wouldn't bother and then it actually would be a yes vote. I wouldn't say that's voting intelligently at all.

kneemos wrote: »

Even if someone is voting no because they want to keep thier bus pass.

Unfortunately yes.

melekalikimaka · 22-05-2012 12:59AM

i genuinely think for each vote, there is an accompanying small test on what you're voting for, make your vote, and take the test, if you pass your vote is counted, if not you fail, you dont get told your results. then an only then will voting make ay sense in this country, people dont vote for the topic, they vote for ridiculous reasons, if you dont understand, dont bother getting off your sofa, nobody needs an ignorant vote especially not the country

Pushtrak · 22-05-2012 01:02AM

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i genuinely think for each vote, there is an accompanying small test on what you're voting for, make your vote, and take the test, if you pass your vote is counted, if not you fail, you dont get told your results. then an only then will voting make ay sense in this country, people dont vote for the topic, they vote for ridiculous reasons, if you dont understand, dont bother getting off your sofa, nobody needs an ignorant vote especially not the country

But shur the font on that poster was mighty.

BUBBLE WRAP · 22-05-2012 01:08AM

Im going "MAYBE!"

Pedant · 22-05-2012 03:10AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

DEMOCRACY

Where a gobsh1tes vote counts exactly the same as a genius.

Democracy is the worst form of government, apart from all the others tried before.

Ⓐ ANARCHY!! Ⓐ

sligoface · 22-05-2012 04:17AM

i'm voting yes because i saw a film wit jim carrey in it called Yes Man and his life was crap cuz he always said no to everything so he started saying yes and his life got loads better. didn't watch the end of it because someone said do you want to watch something else and i had to say yes.

Mr Benevolent · 22-05-2012 08:40AM

If Libertas and Sinn Fein vote No, I vote Yes. Neither of them seem to have read the leaflets.

AudreyHepburn · 22-05-2012 08:41AM

Well you certaintly can't force people to vote in a certain way but I would hope that come Referendum day people will leave the bitterness and anger aside and be intelligent enough to try to come with better reasons to vote than 'because the Government said to vote yes' or 'because I want to piss off the government' etc.

There is too much scaremonger on BOTH sides of the debate and it isn't doing anyone any good.

I really wish people would ignore the campaign on both sides and just read the Referendum Guide and decide from there.

I have a feeling I'm asking for far too much though.

Scanlas The 2nd · 22-05-2012 08:46AM

I won't be voting as its my way of protesting against democracy.

Son Of A Vidic · 22-05-2012 09:15AM

kneemos wrote: »

Intelligent voting

Well in this little country unfortunately, the concepts of intelligence and voting are often not compatible. As the Lisbon acquiescence clearly demonstrated.

Nothingbetter2d · 22-05-2012 09:19AM

hairyprincess wrote: »

I'm voting whatever way my husband tells me cos I'm the little woman and I can't possibly be relied upon to make to make an educated decision

thinking like a true blueshirt Enda will be proud of his wife

i dont know what to vote... there hasn't been one bit of information delivered to my door. There is no unbiased information anywhere to be found. each side only prints their scaremongering hype instead of what is really entailed.

Toby Take a Bow · 22-05-2012 09:22AM

Confab wrote: »

If Libertas and Sinn Fein vote No, I vote Yes. Neither of them seem to have read the leaflets.

Judging from why you're voting yes, it seems like you haven't read the leaflets either.

Or the treaty.

I would say you'd have great difficulty in voting if the OP's plan came into operation. And a glorious day it would be, too.

Dravokivich · 22-05-2012 09:51AM

donvito99 wrote: »

I live my life doing the opposite of what that cow Mary Lou says.

So... if she told you not to jump into the Liffey?

melekalikimaka wrote: »

i genuinely think for each vote, there is an accompanying small test on what you're voting for, make your vote, and take the test, if you pass your vote is counted, if not you fail, you dont get told your results. then an only then will voting make ay sense in this country, people dont vote for the topic, they vote for ridiculous reasons, if you dont understand, dont bother getting off your sofa, nobody needs an ignorant vote especially not the country

Not understanding doesn't have to mean the vote is ignorant. If someone doesn't understand what they are voting on, then I'd see it as an issue with the level of information provided and how it's presented. Voting No is more than valid in that instance and is well worth getting off the sofa for.

whatever99 · 22-05-2012 10:17AM

I've read the leaflets and informed myself etc., but I'm still unsure as to which way to vote. There might be further implications of a yes/no vote that I can't foresee.

And I can't seem to fully put my faith in either side, as, as usual, they are both totally contradicting themselves.
Yes side: "Vote yes or we're fucked!"
No side: "Vote no or we're fucked!"

Simples....:rolleyes:

Dravokivich · 22-05-2012 10:24AM

Keep yourself to information as close to the source as possible and pay no heed to propaganda from either side pressing for a Yes/No Vote. They represent nothing but themselves.

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-05-2012 10:28AM

They are desperate for a Yes vote because without a second bailout they will have to reduce their disgusting salaries and pensions

kincsem · 22-05-2012 10:56AM

I'm voting yes for free money. Voting no means paying back the free money, or telling them we don't want any more free money.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 22-05-2012 10:59AM

I genuinely have no idea what way to vote so i have 4 options.

1. Vote NO
2. Vote Yes
3. Spoil my vote
4. Don't vote.

1, 2 and 3 all involve me actually going to the polling station so weighing up all factors i will opt for No.4

c_man · 22-05-2012 11:01AM

I'm voting No to No Jobs.

Nothingbetter2d · 22-05-2012 11:07AM

at every election or referendum i always feel we are being asked the same deep underlying question

for elections its "which irish party will screw me the most?"
for referendums its "which eu party will screw me the most?"

mikemac1 · 22-05-2012 11:09AM

I voted yes for jobs last time, now I have a job

Unfortunately I work for €1.27 an hour

suicide_circus · 22-05-2012 11:23AM

Temptamperu wrote: »

I am voting intelligently, that is not wasting my time voting. They wont say "well the people voted no, so that is that" No people we will be made vote again and again until we give them what they need. Or they will fudge the numbers.

Precisely.
"Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms which have been tried from time to time", in this Churchill was correct. However, now that this democracy has become a complete illusion, I see little point in participating. Our political and business masters will do as they will irrespective of which way the drones vote.

hooradiation · 22-05-2012 11:24AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Not understanding doesn't have to mean the vote is ignorant.

That's pretty much the definition of it, tbh.

The right to vote comes with the responsibility to be an informed voter, if they can't be fucked upholding their end of the bargain, then fuck them.

This is the goddamn information age, claiming that it's not the fault of the people themselves because they don't have the inclination to do some basic reading is a cop out.

Of course, the "if you don't know vote no" mantra is the cornerstone of every no campaign, because it's much easier to tell people their ignorance is ok and capitalise on that then trying to inform them why they should vote no.

blackwhite · 22-05-2012 11:29AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Not understanding doesn't have to mean the vote is ignorant. If someone doesn't understand what they are voting on, then I'd see it as an issue with the level of information provided and how it's presented. Voting No is more than valid in that instance and is well worth getting off the sofa for.

I disagree completely. Voting is a responsibility, not just a right.
Voters have a responsibility to ensure that they themselves understand what they are voting on. It shouldn't be someone else's job to spoon-feed you, if you are old enough to vote then you are old enough to do a bit of bloody research.

If you understand the issues and feel that a yes or a no vote is what's best for the country then vote in the way you see best.
If you don't understand the issue, then stay at home.
Voting on something you don't understand is like picking up a gun and pulling the trigger without checking to see if it is loaded. You may or may not cause damage, you're just too lazy to check first

Intelligent voting

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