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Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

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  • #1802
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    ...for those that did want employment,these schemes are a big let down,as having fas or jobbridge on your cv can make you look like a dole layabout..

    how does it make you look like a layabout?


  • #1803
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    a lot of people used to use these schemes to top up thier dole while unemployed,and thats the perception a lot of interviewers cannot shake off about prospective employees,whats going to look better,someone whos been on a 4 year long ce scheme / constantly going on 9 month jobbridge internships for the extra euros,or someone who is in another job looking for the job in question that you are being interviewed about..

    If on the other hand you are doing more to educate yourself and doing a volunteer position your motivations for doing such work are less questionable by prospective employers..

    Having said that i know we are all in a recession so there will be all sorts of people looking for even internships and free labour fas schemes..


  • #1804
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    a lot of people used to use these schemes to top up thier dole while unemployed,and thats the perception a lot of interviewers cannot shake off about prospective employees,whats going to look better,someone whos been on a 4 year long ce scheme / constantly going on 9 month jobbridge internships for the extra euros,or someone who is in another job looking for the job in question that you are being interviewed about..

    If on the other hand you are doing more to educate yourself and doing a volunteer position your motivations for doing such work are less questionable by prospective employers..

    Having said that i know we are all in a recession so there will be all sorts of people looking for even internships and free labour fas schemes..

    I did a WPP in an area related to the one I'm qualified in. I did 9 months of it, but because I was basically there to fill the need they had for me, I wasn't trained well enough (at all, really) to be able to do that job for another company, therefore that WPP was useless to me, other than to be able to say I did something with my time. So I kept up with it to have the full 9 months of it, rather than be seen to have dropped out from it early, which would not look good on my CV.

    Most of the people standing up for the idea of the internships in here are saying that at least you'll be doing something constructive with your time, rather than sitting about. and that, compared to someone who hasn't done one would be less likely to get a job than someone who has.

    Where are you getting this idea from that employers will see the internships just as a way to top up their income? I mean if I can get 188 for doing nothing, why would I work 40 hours a week for 50 extra, if I'm a shitty layabout?

    You could volunteer for something, but it's very unlikely to be related to the field of work you're in, and so wouldn't that make it look like you've no initiative to continue working in the area?


  • #1805
    The Radiator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭The Radiator


    wow


  • #1806
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    there are a lots of different workplaces looking for 1 day 2 day volunteers,the chances are you will get a voluntary job related to your work,if not you can always try and see if there is one related to your work on one of the free labour schemes..

    Im not saying people who do these schemes are all ****ty layabouts,i never said that,but there was a lot of people,who were there just to top up their dole,and not serious about where they were working..

    Because of that,there is a perception amongst interviewers that these (particulary fas) were dole laybouts,because some of the schemes lasted four years,and some of the participants were happy to stay on for four years..that can make you look suspicious,im not saying this is always the case,but you will find some are there for not the right reasons,just as we find companies exploiting these schemes for a revolving door system of free labour,ie they dont have to pay and hire in ireland,which sucks jobs out of ireland..


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  • #1807
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    The Radiator wrote: »
    wow

    World of Warcraft? Or are you gasping there at something?
    christmas2012 wrote: »
    there are a lots of different workplaces looking for 1 day 2 day volunteers,the chances are you will get a voluntary job related to your work,if not you can always try and see if there is one related to your work on one of the free labour schemes..

    Im not saying people who do these schemes are all ****ty layabouts,i never said that,but there was a lot of people,who were there just to top up their dole,and not serious about where they were working..

    Because of that,there is a perception amongst interviewers that these (particulary fas) were dole laybouts,because some of the schemes lasted four years,and some of the participants were happy to stay on for four years..that can make you look suspicious,im not saying this is always the case,but you will find some are there for not the right reasons,just as we find companies exploiting these schemes for a revolving door system of free labour,ie they dont have to pay and hire in ireland,which sucks jobs out of ireland..

    Who are you talking about? How have you gotten the impression that this is what employers/interviewers think? Surely an employer would look at somebody taking a position, whether paid or not paid, as being a positive.

    By the way, there's an awful lot of areas out there that you couldn't find volunteer work in, mine being one of them.

    And how is volunteering for 1 or 2 days a week for companies here or there better than taking on an internship where you're working 40 hours a week for 6-9 months?


  • #1808
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    by volunteering you are using your own initiative,to an interviewer it looks like you got off your own backside and did some research into who does volunteering and who doesnt,combined with self improvement and further education,it looks like you are doing the work yourself.
    with jobbridge a lot of people now are signed up to these schemes,either they do it or if they disagree and choose not to do it,welfare will cut them off,so their basically forced into it..that to an interviewer can look like they are not as interested as the other person,who got up off their own bat and did volunteering/and educational courses combined,or one who is currently employed.
    doing jobbridge is all very well,but i get suspcious of anybody trying to talk up these schemes,as its free labour exploitation sucking what could be a paid job out of the community bottom line there..


  • #1809
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    by volunteering you are using your own initiative,to an interviewer it looks like you got off your own backside and did some research into who does volunteering and who doesnt,combined with self improvement and further education,it looks like you are doing the work yourself.
    with jobbridge a lot of people now are signed up to these schemes,either they do it or if they disagree and choose not to do it,welfare will cut them off,so their basically forced into it..that to an interviewer can look like they are not as interested as the other person,who got up off their own bat and did volunteering/and educational courses combined,or one who is currently employed.
    doing jobbridge is all very well,but i get suspcious of anybody trying to talk up these schemes,as its free labour exploitation sucking what could be a paid job out of the community bottom line there..

    will you ever make up your mind as to what you're arguing here. You make a different argument with every new post. You've also ignored my questions - how do you know what employers/interviewers want?

    I've been unemployed more than 1 year, and not once have I been told I have to take a job (or course, which is another thing they supposedly threaten) or my welfare will be cut off. No one is being forced into anything in this country. So I call bollix on all your arguments, frankly.


  • #1810
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Im not making up a new argument with every post,as you have alleged,Scroll back through my posts on this subject for the last few pages i have been consistent on my jobbridge argument - frankly,i call bollix on what you have said about me not being consistent..

    Common sense will tell you what interviewers want,they want someone who is serious,not there to top up their dole,on a four year ce scheme,or doing 9 month internships on after the other..

    I have heard that if you dont agree to an internship if you are offered one,and you say NO,your called into an interview as to why you said no,and your dole could be cut off or reduced..


  • #1811
    stupidusername
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Common sense will tell you what interviewers want,they want someone who is serious,not there to top up their dole,on a four year ce scheme,or doing 9 month internships on after the other..

    I have heard that if you dont agree to an internship if you are offered one,and you say NO,your called into an interview as to why you said no,and your dole could be cut off or reduced..

    What are these four year schemes? Any CE Schemes are 1 year at a time, the point of them is to be temporary.

    So you think that if I was to do another 9 month placement it would reduce my chances of getting a relevant job, instead of increasing? That's just crazy talk.

    You have heard that, but I'm the one of the two of us that's in that position here, and I'm telling you it doesn't happen.


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  • #1812
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    Not all ce schemes are 1 yearly i know some ce schemes have rolled on for 2 years,and some up to four years,i have worked with people who have been on them for that long,when i was on a fas ce scheme..Maybe that has changed since i last worked in them,but i doubt it..

    Im not saying your chances of being employed go down in all cases,but if you take fas as an example the hiring rate of fas ''employees'' was poor,as it was free labour exploitation..i think the same could be said for jobbridge,as there was one boards.ie member who posted,he/she didnt get jobbridge internship due to 'not enough experience',(jobbridge are supposed to give experience,and if lucky a job,but the hiring rate of jobbridge at the first roll out was 400/7000,who knows maybe the second roll out could be better..)therefore their main aim is free labour exploitation..


  • #1813
    CYPRUSBABY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21 ✭CYPRUSBABY


    could you be a bit more specific on your examples please and please back up with proof?

    thank you


  • #1814
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    from http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/0519/1224316340845.html :

    Burton points to achievements such as the JobBridge scheme, which allows a person to work while receiving the dole and a €50 allowance.

    While derided by many on social media as a way for employers to access cheap labour, the scheme gives valuable work experience to almost 7,000 people, the Minister says. In fact, about 37 per cent of those went on to get some form of work from their employer once the internship ended after six or nine months.

    The scheme is also attracting international attention. The current edition of Forbes magazine gives it a glowing write-up and suggests its model could be replicated elsewhere. Economists also tend to approve of it as it gives motivated people a chance to work in the real world. Ultimately, though, the numbers are relatively small when set against the scale of the problem. With about 80,000 young people out of work, much more ambitious measures will be needed farther down the road.

    More than 1 in 3 directly benefit it seems. That doesn't include the people who leverage off the experience to get a job with a different employer


  • #1815
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    i read 400/7000 were offered employment


  • #1816
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    CYPRUSBABY wrote: »
    could you be a bit more specific on your examples please and please back up with proof?

    thank you

    Look up the fas website or ring them,drop into their centre,you can be on one of those schemes for years at a time,i know a few people that were.


  • #1817
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    i read 400/7000 were offered employment


    Did you? It must be true then if you read it? Where exactly did you read it? On the SWP website? Links?

    If it turned out that it was closer to 37% than your 400/7000, would it change your mind?

    Unless you want to claim that the Irish times is now a propaganda vehicle of the shady government/employer cabal looking to make the minions works for free I think that article blows most of your previous rantings out of the water


  • #1818
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0510/1224315844050.html

    heading states fewer than 400 kept on out of 7000 internees in jobbridge,if thats the first roll out,i cringe to think what the second (extension) will be..

    http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs/is-the-jobbridge-scheme-doing-its-job-less-than-400-interns-kept-on-in-permanent-positions-0024531-1


  • #1819
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-31318312.html


  • #1820
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0510/1224315844050.html

    heading states fewer than 400 kept on out of 7000 internees in jobbridge,if thats the first roll out,i cringe to think what the second (extension) will be..

    http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs/is-the-jobbridge-scheme-doing-its-job-less-than-400-interns-kept-on-in-permanent-positions-0024531-1

    There are three level of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics

    Your links quote 400 as the number of people who were taken on as permanent staff. 37% includes all people kept on in some capacity.

    If you create a position for an intern, you might not be overly confident of it lasting forever. Therefore it would be reasonable that you might convert it into a temporary or contract position.


  • #1821
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-31318312.html

    This is a scrape of the same IT article as above. You might have well as posted a link to the google cache snapshot of same


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  • #1822
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    those are the three sources of statistics are you saying all three are lying?

    irishtimes could be sued if they are found to be spouting bu11sh1t..


  • #1823
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    those are the three sources of statistics are you saying all three are lying?

    irishtimes could be sued if they are found to be spouting bu11sh1t..

    What are you talking about with your three sources?

    1) Original article
    2) a mirror of the article
    3) Joe.ie which quotes the same article
    All three are the same source.

    I never said it was lies. Can you not understand that the 400 is people who got permanent full time normal contracts. 400 does not include everyone who might have been kept on on temporary/part-time contracts


  • #1824
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    yore wrote: »
    I never said it was lies. Can you not understand that the 400 is people who got permanent full time normal contracts. 400 does not include everyone who might have been kept on on temporary/part-time contracts

    Show me your sources where extra staff after the figure of 400 were taken on by jobbridge,can you prove this?


  • #1825
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    yore wrote: »
    JobBridge scheme, which allows a person to work while receiving the dole and a €50 allowance.

    What a great country we live in. Plenty of schmucks willing to work for nothing and willing to stay on the bottom rung of the ladder while only wanting a pat on the head from the big boys for getting "valuable experience"


  • #1826
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    I think the whole scheme discourages real jobs from being promoted in ireland,watch this scheme(just like FAS) go down the sh1thole very quickly mark my words


  • #1827
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    christmas2012 wrote: »
    Show me your sources where extra staff after the figure of 400 were taken on by jobbridge,can you prove this?

    Jesus H. Christ. See previous post

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78772069&postcount=1814


  • #1828
    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    What a great country we live in. Plenty of schmucks willing to work for nothing and willing to stay on the bottom rung of the ladder while only wanting a pat on the head from the big boys for getting "valuable experience"

    Thing is though that if it was a decent internship it would be good experience. I wouldnt mind working for dole + 50 if it enhanced my prospects rather than sitting around all day doing shag all.

    Just a pit a lot of the internships are more beneficial to employers than they are to jobseekers. Ie free labour.


  • #1829
    christmas2012
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭christmas2012


    first roll out they want to look like there doing something good,but like FAS,this will be another letdown,and a top up of 50 quid a week for breaking your ass doing the work of two staff,its already being exploited as free labour by companies,what company will want to create real jobs with the jobbridge joblocker in the way?theres no real deterrent,they can just hire free staff every six months,the cooling off period can be exploited,penny pinching kunts at the top..


  • #1830
    Battered Mars Bar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Battered Mars Bar


    It's a disgrace christmas, in my day if you wanted experience in something you went out and got it by yourself not apply to a scam to be rode for nearly an entire year of your life whilst simultaneously damaging your country by sponging off the state.


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  • #1831
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Battered Mars Bar wrote: »
    It's a disgrace christmas, in my day if you wanted experience in something you went out and got it by yourself not apply to a scam to be rode for nearly an entire year of your life.


    Just as how there are plenty of people "riding" society via the dole. People who could be working but don't want to demean themselves by doing jobs they think is beneath them.

    I guess it's more a case of "Ask not what you can do for your country..."


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