Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

doc_17 · 16-05-2012 11:36PM

Rafa, Rafa, Rafa

Dub13 · 16-05-2012 11:37PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Thats all well and good, but SOS would want to realise that they have not been appointed to speak on behalf of every fan like they seem to think they have been.

Nobody said the SOS speak for all fans,not sure were you got that from.But it is a large democratic organization for all LFC fans.If you have a statement from another similar organization feel free to post it up so nobody feels left out.

I put that statement up as some people in here were not aware the the SOS is still very active.

5starpool · 16-05-2012 11:38PM

mike65 wrote: »

The internet didn't see off Dalglish (which is full of apologists btw) 130 million quid and 8th place (plus Suarez controversy) did that.

Leaving aside the Kenny thing, if I recall correctly, Ferguson finished 2nd in his first full season, then followed by 11th and 13th. If someone new came into OT after he leaves and does that, do you think he gets to the end of his second season, never mind his first? I realise their place in football is different now to what it was then, but from 2nd to 11th and 13th?

16-05-2012 11:39PM

doc_17 wrote: »

Sad day for the club. The only man I'd want now is Rafa. You can take Martinez, Lambert and Rodgers and shove up your backside. He won't have the backing of the fans.

When Hodgson came in he never had a chance for 2 reasons, the other being that he stepped into the shoes of a popular and likeable manager.

If we sack a legend like Kenny after 1 full season then we'd dump Martinez after 2 defeats

I agree with some of your post but you can be certain that whoever the manager match going fans will get behind him.

16-05-2012 11:41PM

Dub13 wrote: »

Nobody said the SOS speak for all fans,not sure were you got that form.But it is a large democratic organization for all LFC fans.If you have a statement from another similar organization feel free to post it up so nobody feels left out.

I put that statement up as some people in here were not aware the the SOS is still very active.

I see no harm putting it up when you see some of the shite posted in here!

NabyLadistheman · 16-05-2012 11:42PM

Kenny's missus - Out for dinner with fiends and family! feels like a wake but the corpse keeps chipping in!

Gonna miss Kenny's quick whit and more than a manager attitude. Never forget the win at Chelsea in the cup, the bear-hug in had for bellers when he came off. It was around the time Gary Speed passed away. Only beginning to realise how gutted Kenny will be with the decision.

Say FSG will be getting the jist of it from fans reaction too. They had better deliver a big upgrade on what we had. All the best to Kenny as well, a true club legend. Anyone that thinks his reputation has been damaged after what's happened need to think again. He is Mr. LFC & I am not old enough to remember him as a player / manager

Blatter · 16-05-2012 11:44PM

daithijjj wrote: »

I do believe they affected our team. We got drawn away from home every round, 2 legs against City, could be argued that some players started protecting themselves (which was not good enough but the manager didnt suggest it), anyway, enough of that.

When you say "leeway", you should look closer to home. Sorry to bring it up but Alex Ferguson spent heavily over 3 years '88/89/90 before it started to pay off, its true, he got lucky, you know it, he knows it, everyone knows it. Sure it was a different game but 'stability' and 'patience' are still the same old same old.

Our issue was scoring goals, nothing else, a striker should have come in, i wouldnt say it was a sackable offence. Carragher played less than half a season, he is and was on the way out, even for Kenny. Carroll never showed anything in alot of games, if he played him and played rubbish he would be accused of being too loyal, we played without Carroll at Norwich and were great, whats a man to do but start that team in the cup final?. Carroll has been a different man since he went to Newcastle again for that game, it was only 6 weeks ago he really showed up for the season. The Suarez saga was a club issue, the chain of command were as useful as tits on a bull, thats why we have a former FA chief exec come in to do a review of that part of the club and wield axes.

What does being out of the game for 10 years mean to our owners?, they are the same men who signed him up for 3 years. Either they made a brutal decision giving the contract or a brutal decision sacking him, whatever the outcome of deliberations, as far as we are concerned as fans, at least one brutal decision was made, possibly 2 depending on your view. Its the owners that have lost confidence today in a significant section, i dont know who said it but i like it..........'the only thing that beats Kings, is Aces, over to you FSG'......because we will be here when you show your hand and long after.

Well my point still stands that the team didn't play more games this season than they have done over the last several years because of no Europe. I really think the affect of the cup runs is being overstated, the squad should have been big enough to deal with them. If you were in Europe as well, you'd have a valid point, but you weren't.

Ferguson was a different kettle of fish and isn't comparable to this situation. He had just broke the Old Firm dominance in Scotland and had won a European competition with Aberdeen, beating Real Madrid in the final. He was a young and it was clear he had the talent to be a top manager, if he was persisted with.

Dalglish on the other hand is 61, was out of the game for over a decade and the last time he achieved anything of note was with Blackburn in 1995, 17 years ago. Things weren't going well and there was little indication that he was going to turn things around.

We'll have to disagree on Liverpool's only problem being the lack of a goalscorer. The defense has been shambolic since the turn of the year, the wide players are no where near good enough for a side with top 4 aspirations and the same applies to the CM with the exception of Lucas.

DDC1990 · 16-05-2012 11:45PM

What about Claudio Ranieri.

Always admired him, he seems very shrewd, and is looking for a job.

Was very good at Chelsea, and has experience of the Premier League.

Was really impressed with him on ESPN's prematch coverage of the FA Cup final, and said he'd love to work in the Premier League again.

He's the srt of name that could attract players from abroad as well, as opposed to Rodgers or Lambert.

I know he was looking into the West Brom job, but im sure if Liverpool came looking he'd consider us.

speedboatchase · 16-05-2012 11:46PM

As a non-Liverpool fan, appointing Rafa appears to me at least to be the same retrograde, fan-pleasing appointment that Dalglish was. In the case of Dalglish it won FSW instant respect from the fans but there was always the cavaet that if it didn't work out, they'd have to give him more time due to his legendary status and face a backlash if he got sacked.

I reckon they'd be making the same mistake if they appointed Rafa, with the exact same pitfalls. They appointed Kenny, they gave him plenty to spend and it didn't work out. Surely this time they should be allowed appoint whoever they want (and go for a young, relatively unproven manager if they wish) after giving fans everyone they at least thought that they wanted last year - the return of Dalglish and big-money signings.

The likes of Klopp and Loew are pie-in-the-sky thinking for the next manager (far too successful and still ambitious where they are now) but I do think that a Martinez or Martin O'Niell would be the right move. As someone mentioned earlier, I think people are underestimating the risk with appointing AVB - things went downhill with Chelsea very fast and his hefty contract buy-out cost kept him in work a lot longer than it should have.

Chucky the tree · 16-05-2012 11:48PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

As a non-Liverpool fan, appointing Rafa appears to me at least to be the same retrograde, fan-pleasing appointment that Dalglish was. In the case of Dalglish it won FSW instant respect from the fans but there was always the cavaet that if it didn't work out, they'd have to give him more time due to his legendary status and face a backlash if he got sacked.

I reckon they'd be making the same mistake if they appointed Rafa, with the exact same pitfalls. They appointed Kenny, they gave him plenty to spend and it didn't work out. Surely this time they should be allowed appoint whoever they want (and go for a young, relatively unproven manager if they wish) after giving fans everyone they at least thought that they wanted last year - the return of Dalglish and big-money signings.

The likes of Klopp and Loew are pie-in-the-sky thinking for the next manager (far too successful and still ambitious where they are now) but I do think that a Martinez or Martin O'Niell would be the right move. As someone mentioned earlier, I think people are underestimating the risk with appointing AVB - things went downhill with Chelsea very fast and his hefty contract buy-out cost kept him in work a lot longer than it should have.

If FSG want Rodgers, Lambert, Pardew or Martinez they can **** off tbh.

Vanolder · 16-05-2012 11:48PM

What's going on?

16-05-2012 11:51PM

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01894/Kenny_Dalglish-deb_1894086i.jpg

http://www.kopsource.com/wp-content/postimages/Kenny-Dalglish-scores-European-Cup-winner-1978.jpg

http://www.kopsource.com/wp-content/postimages/Kenny-Dalglish-scores-1986-title-winner-vs-Chelsea-289x300.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/16/article-1347676-0CC969E4000005DC-192_306x423.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-0-0D111A6B000005DC-458_634x429.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58733000/jpg/_58733028_kenny_dalglish_getty.jpg

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/may2012/1/6/image-3-for-kenny-dalglish-the-story-of-his-liverpool-fc-return-so-far-gallery-84185097.jpg

Cheers Kenny

paddy kerins · 16-05-2012 11:53PM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Then we have... Blanc, Deschamps, Van Gaal, Pardew, Mourinho, Guardiola, Emery, Pellligrini, Jorge Jesus, De Boer, Hamann, Di Canio, Rodolfo Borrel

Is he leaving the France job after the Euros or something? Why does his name keep cropping up?

delw · 16-05-2012 11:53PM

daithijjj wrote: »

I do believe they affected our team. We got drawn away from home every round, 2 legs against City, could be argued that some players started protecting themselves (which was not good enough but the manager didnt suggest it), anyway, enough of that.

When you say "leeway", you should look closer to home. Sorry to bring it up but Alex Ferguson spent heavily over 3 years '88/89/90 before it started to pay off, its true, he got lucky, you know it, he knows it, everyone knows it. Sure it was a different game but 'stability' and 'patience' are still the same old same old.

Our issue was scoring goals, nothing else, a striker should have come in, i wouldnt say it was a sackable offence. Carragher played less than half a season, he is and was on the way out, even for Kenny. Carroll never showed anything in alot of games, if he played him and played rubbish he would be accused of being too loyal, we played without Carroll at Norwich and were great, whats a man to do but start that team in the cup final?. Carroll has been a different man since he went to Newcastle again for that game, it was only 6 weeks ago he really showed up for the season. The Suarez saga was a club issue, the chain of command were as useful as tits on a bull, thats why we have a former FA chief exec come in to do a review of that part of the club and wield axes.

What does being out of the game for 10 years mean to our owners?, they are the same men who signed him up for 3 years. Either they made a brutal decision giving the contract or a brutal decision sacking him, whatever the outcome of deliberations, as far as we are concerned as fans, at least one brutal decision was made, possibly 2 depending on your view. Its the owners that have lost confidence today in a significant section, i dont know who said it but i like it..........'the only thing that beats Kings, is Aces, over to you FSG'......because we will be here when you show your hand and long after.

If i could thank this twice i would,super post

5starpool · 16-05-2012 11:54PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01894/Kenny_Dalglish-deb_1894086i.jpg

http://www.kopsource.com/wp-content/postimages/Kenny-Dalglish-scores-European-Cup-winner-1978.jpg

http://www.kopsource.com/wp-content/postimages/Kenny-Dalglish-scores-1986-title-winner-vs-Chelsea-289x300.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/16/article-1347676-0CC969E4000005DC-192_306x423.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/06/article-0-0D111A6B000005DC-458_634x429.jpg

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58733000/jpg/_58733028_kenny_dalglish_getty.jpg

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/liverpoolecho/may2012/1/6/image-3-for-kenny-dalglish-the-story-of-his-liverpool-fc-return-so-far-gallery-84185097.jpg

Cheers Kenny

Dude, image tags, seriously. It's not that hard. It's the yellow and greyish box 8 from the left when in advanced post mode. Try it out, it'll be a revelation to you.

speedboatchase · 16-05-2012 11:56PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If FSG want Rodgers, Lambert, Pardew or Martinez they can **** off tbh.

LMA Manager of the Year Pardew?

Dont be at yourself · 16-05-2012 11:57PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

LMA Manager of the Year Pardew?

LMA Manager of the Year Hodgson?

I like Pardew, but need to be careful in hiring managers off the back of isolated success.

Hannibal · 16-05-2012 11:57PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

LMA Manager of the Year Pardew?

Hodgson, Coppell, Burley, Kinnear, Jones, Wilson, Reid are all previous winners of that gong

murpho999 · 16-05-2012 11:58PM

5starpool wrote: »

Dude, image tags, seriously. It's not that hard. It's the yellow and greyish box 8 from the left when in advanced post mode. Try it out, it'll be a revelation to you.

Rarnes is like someone who with older mobiles refused to use T9 texting!

5starpool · 17-05-2012 12:00AM

9 months ago if someone had seriously suggested Alan Pardew or Roberto Martinez as Liverpool manager this summer they would have been carted off for treatment. Such is the changeable nature of opinion these days I guess.

daithijjj · 17-05-2012 12:00AM

5starpool wrote: »

The list of "what the fúck are they on" LFC related posters that I disagree with before they've even posted on this forum has increased from about 2 a couple of years ago, to close to 10 now at this stage. It's a worrying trend, and I'm relatively tolerant.

Im going to bit it all down to the grieving process, shock, numbness for now, for myself and everyone else. Some crazy talk happening, people cant think straight.

Liverpool fan outside Anfield on TV :"Problem with Kenny is you should never go back" Reporter:"Who would you have now?" "Rafa"

speedboatchase · 17-05-2012 12:00AM

True but look what he's done with very stringent resources and he's never had a particularly large budget. I think expectations are going to be inflated in the next few days due to meaningless speculation articles (as I've said, the likes of Klopp will not take this job but will keep cropping up) but I think some fans have to temper their expectations and see things from FSW's point of view - they can't repeat the money spent, approach and overall result of last season.

murpho999 · 17-05-2012 12:04AM

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

LMA Manager of the Year Hodgson?

I like Pardew, but need to be careful in hiring managers off the back of isolated success.

Still haven't forgiven Pardew for his goal for Palace in Cup Semi Final 1990!

Really have no idea what I want. I thought AVB was a disaster at Chelsea and his interviews bore the hole off me.

Martinez, Lambert & Rodgers have not done enough for me and have no big club experience.

Rafa, the populist choice but I think FSG will steer away from appointing a former manager again.

Really don't know who it should be but either way the club is now facing its most important decision in years.

The next manager has got to be a success, otherwise the FSG ownership will be a faiiure, fans will turn on them and the club will be set back years.

Mr Alan · 17-05-2012 12:09AM

murpho999 wrote: »

I thought AVB was a disaster at Chelsea and his interviews bore the hole off me.

What's that got to do with anything?!

5starpool · 17-05-2012 12:09AM

speedboatchase wrote: »

True but look what he's done with very stringent resources and he's never had a particularly large budget. I think expectations are going to be inflated in the next few days due to meaningless speculation articles (as I've said, the likes of Klopp will not take this job but will keep cropping up) but I think some fans have to temper their expectations and see things from FSW's point of view - they can't repeat the money spent, approach and overall result of last season.

Pardew I believe has almost no input into the players coming into the club, so I'm not sure what credit he can get for any of the astute signings made over the last 18 months there. I'm fairly sure Klopp would not be interested either, and some of the names being mentioned are just fanciful. That is no reason to straightaway aim for a Martinez/Rodgers/Pardew though. If they do not show ambition off the pitch, how can they expect results on it? There will not be a huge budget this summer I'd imagine, probably 20m + money raised from sales, with no top notch wages being spent. A bigger name manager is a sign of ambition, and I can't imagine the continents finest signing for us with a lot of the mooted names in charge given our recent finishes.

K-9 · 17-05-2012 12:09AM

Blatter wrote: »

Ferguson was a different kettle of fish and isn't comparable to this situation. He had just broke the Old Firm dominance in Scotland and had won a European competition with Aberdeen, beating Real Madrid in the final. He was a young and it was clear he had the talent to be a top manager, if he was persisted with.

Rafa would have been more comparable.

Devilman40k · 17-05-2012 12:12AM

Either AVB or Rafa , Villas-Boas has a point to prove after Chelsea, and he wont be assistant to John Terry!

5starpool · 17-05-2012 12:12AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything?!

Apparently 'media work' comes in just below 'tactics' and 'man management' in the list of important things for managers these days.

One point on this though, is that the media already have a taste for AVB's flesh, so wouldn't wait too long to get stuck in if he was at Liverpool either I'd say.

Mr Alan · 17-05-2012 12:14AM

**** the media to be perfectly honest

They had it in for Rafa from year 1 & he gave us some of the best times of our lives

amiable · 17-05-2012 12:14AM

AVB now clear favourite with all the bookies

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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