brilliant news, minister wants names of dads on all birth certs

goat2 · 16-05-2012 06:19PM #1

now the minister joan burton wants fathers names on all birth certs, and looking at fathers having the same rights,
also she wants all dads to support children they father,
i beleive lots of unmarried mothers do not put a fathers name on cert, now they have to.
i also hope she will go back and ask those who already do not have the fathers name on, to put it in,
anyway the child also has rights. to know both sides of their family.

GLaDOS · 16-05-2012 06:22PM

While great news for unmarried fathers who want to be involved, what happens if the mother doesn't know who the father is?

aaronjumper · 16-05-2012 06:22PM

That is good news I guess. I'll wait to hear the other side of the argument, if there is one. Not sure why it took so long really.

whatdoicare · 16-05-2012 06:22PM

Should be interesting to see what that girl from Copper face jacks looking for "Mark" is going to do?

Hazys · 16-05-2012 06:23PM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

While great news for unmarried fathers who want to be involved, what happens if the mother doesn't know who the father is?

For Father on the birth cert, they just put down "Perry Miscuous"

Biggins · 16-05-2012 06:24PM

There has to be exceptions.
As in the case of rapes, etc where the female is abused and does not want to attached for life legally on paper to the name of her abuser.

That is very important I feel.

Thrill · 16-05-2012 06:25PM

What if she says she doesn't know who he is?

Or what happens to her if she tells them to fcuk right off and mind their own business?

Scioch · 16-05-2012 06:26PM

Good news I suppose in regards the rights of the father but they need to take the child support into account when handing out the children's allowance. To a lot of mothers this will be nothing but a chance to squeeze money out of a n ex-partner even though the child is well taken care of by the allowance and exemptions for single mothers.

aaronjumper · 16-05-2012 06:27PM

Thrill wrote: »

What if she says she don't know who he is?

Or what happens to her if she tells them to fcuk right off and mind their own business?

Then she should be more careful of who she sleeps with. Just because the mother suddenly decides she doesn't like the father, does not mean she should have the right to exclude him, extenuating circumstances aside.

kerry4sam · 16-05-2012 06:31PM

goat2 wrote: »

now the minister joan burton wants fathers names on all birth certs, and looking at fathers having the same rights,
also she wants all dads to support children they father,
i beleive lots of unmarried mothers do not put a fathers name on cert, now they have to.
i also hope she will go back and ask those who already do not have the fathers name on, to put it in,
anyway the child also has rights. to know both sides of their family.

Do you have a link for this goat2 please?

I wouldn't call it brilliant news tbh and it would put some females under pressure if they were 'forced' to put the 'fathers' name down or told they have to put the 'fathers' name down. Their will be circumstances where he would not be known, and I'd like to know what other 'special' circumstances are being taken into account by this Minister.

maybe the details would be on a linky if you can provide one for me please?

dark crystal · 16-05-2012 06:33PM

LordSmeg wrote: »

To a lot of mothers this will be nothing but a chance to squeeze money out of a n ex-partner even though the child is well taken care of by the allowance and exemptions for single mothers.

It's the fathers responsibility to pay for his child, just as much as it is the mothers. Why should the state pay out in place of an errant father..

They wouldn't be 'squeezing' money out of anyone, just making them contribute to the child they helped create.

bleg · 16-05-2012 06:35PM

That's great, just bring in mandatory paternity testing along side it please.

Smithey88 · 16-05-2012 06:35PM

goat2 wrote: »

now the minister joan burton wants fathers names on all birth certs, and looking at fathers having the same rights,
also she wants all dads to support children they father,
i beleive lots of unmarried mothers do not put a fathers name on cert, now they have to.
i also hope she will go back and ask those who already do not have the fathers name on, to put it in,
anyway the child also has rights. to know both sides of their family.

You sound like you have such hatred for unmarried mothers.

But anyways this doesnt change anything. A woman could say it was a drunken one night stand. All she knows is his name was Jim and he said he worked tesco.

meoklmrk91 · 16-05-2012 06:37PM

I know a family with four kids, 2 girls, 2 boys, none of the children have their fathers name on their birth certificate despite the fact they have the same father and he has lived with them their entire lives. This was done so that the mother could collect lone parent.

I have seen the birth certificates and i think it is so sad that they couldn't have their fathers name on it or take their fathers name simply because their parents wanted more money. Im delighted at this news.

BattleCorp · 16-05-2012 06:38PM

What happens if some cnut puts the wrong name down on the birth cert? What happens then?

There would have to be forced paternity tests too for this to work. I mean, the birth cert is worth nothing if there is false information on it. It's a legal document for fcuk sake. The info on it has to be beyond doubt.

golden lane · 16-05-2012 06:40PM

Smithey88 wrote: »

You sound like you have such hatred for unmarried mothers.

But anyways this doesnt change anything. A woman could say it was a drunken one night stand. All she knows is his name was Jim and he said he worked tesco.

maybe he is just fed up paying tax to keep other peoples kids.....????

planetX · 16-05-2012 06:40PM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I know a family with four kids, 2 girls, 2 boys, none of the children have their fathers name on their birth certificate despite the fact they have the same father and he has lived with them their entire lives. This was done so that the mother could collect lone parent.

I have seen the birth certificates and i think it is so sad that they couldn't have their fathers name on it or take their fathers name simply because their parents wanted more money. Im delighted at this news.

and people like that will still find a way to continue. I don't see how this will change anything, what can they do if you say you don't know who the father is - run DNA on every suspect?

Immaculate Pasta · 16-05-2012 06:41PM

Thrill wrote: »

What if she says she doesn't know who he is?

Then Mr. ? will have to fork out a lot of money for child maintenance. :cool:

Poor guy.

Ronin247 · 16-05-2012 06:43PM

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I know a family with four kids, 2 girls, 2 boys, none of the children have their fathers name on their birth certificate despite the fact they have the same father and he has lived with them their entire lives. This was done so that the mother could collect lone parent.

I have seen the birth certificates and i think it is so sad that they couldn't have their fathers name on it or take their fathers name simply because their parents wanted more money. Im delighted at this news.

Report them.It is the right thing to do.Should be mandatory DNA test for every single mothers second child..........If the kids have the same father no more single parent allowance.

Chuck Stone · 16-05-2012 06:43PM

What difference will it make?

Born to Die · 16-05-2012 06:45PM

Paternity tests are a given for a lot of cases. Women can't just be allowed put a man's name on the birth cert if there is any doubt or without the man agreeing.

secretambition · 16-05-2012 06:46PM

Does she have to notify the father that he has a child? It's all very well having his name on a document somewhere, but 9 months after a one night stand, she may not have contact details and he'd need to be psychic to go looking for a birth cert.

planetX · 16-05-2012 06:47PM

Born to Die wrote: »

Paternity tests are a given for a lot of cases. Women can't just be allowed put a man's name on the birth cert if there is any doubt or without the man agreeing.

and who pays?

goat2 · 16-05-2012 06:49PM

kerry4sam wrote: »

Do you have a link for this goat2 please?

I wouldn't call it brilliant news tbh and it would put some females under pressure if they were 'forced' to put the 'fathers' name down or told they have to put the 'fathers' name down. Their will be circumstances where he would not be known, and I'd like to know what other 'special' circumstances are being taken into account by this Minister.

maybe the details would be on a linky if you can provide one for me please?

todays, irish daily mail, front page

i am not good with linking, sorry

admiralofthefleet · 16-05-2012 06:49PM

will fathers get equal paternity leave as well? at the moment we get none

Born to Die · 16-05-2012 06:49PM

planetX wrote: »

and who pays?

The man if he is the father. The woman if not.

Biggins · 16-05-2012 06:52PM

goat2 wrote: »

todays, irish daily mail, front page

i am not good with linking, sorry

http://www.thejournal.ie/one-parent-group-criticises-proposed-law-to-name-fathers-on-birth-certs-452790-May2012/

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-law-may-make-it-compulsory-to-include-fathers-name-on-birth-cert-329206-Jan2012/

Ellis Dee · 16-05-2012 06:54PM

Name of father: He was a big handsome hunk I met in a disco and took back to my flat, where we had a few spliffs and some great sex. He gave me his card: Ellis Dee, 1 Main Street, London, but I've had no reply to the letters I sent him and the phone number doesn't seem to be working, either. In fact, now I'm not even sure he was really English or the son of an earl like he told me ...:o:o:o

kerry4sam · 16-05-2012 06:55PM

Biggins wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/one-parent-group-criticises-proposed-law-to-name-fathers-on-birth-certs-452790-May2012/

http://www.thejournal.ie/new-law-may-make-it-compulsory-to-include-fathers-name-on-birth-cert-329206-Jan2012/

Cheers Biggins

goat2 · 16-05-2012 06:56PM

Smithey88 wrote: »

You sound like you have such hatred for unmarried mothers.

But anyways this doesnt change anything. A woman could say it was a drunken one night stand. All she knows is his name was Jim and he said he worked tesco.

i most certainly do not hate unmarried mothers, i have been there for one girl when she needed backup and she and the dad of her child are not together, but he plays a part in his childs upbringing,
i think the children are going to grow into adults one day and want to know who dad is,
i count myself and my children lucky that we had and have a relationship, and that i can help them whenever possible,
most people like to know their history and a history of illenesses in both sides of family, genetics

golden lane · 16-05-2012 06:57PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Name of father: He was a big handsome hunk I met in a disco and took back to my flat, where we had a few spliffs and some great sex. He gave me his card: Ellis Dee, 1 Main Street, London, but I've had no reply to the letters I sent him and the phone number doesn't seem to be working, either. In fact, now I'm not even sure he was really English or the son of an earl like he told me ...:o:o:o

did you not see his royal tattoo..

brilliant news, minister wants names of dads on all birth certs

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