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Public Meeting re. Kirwan Roundabout

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    Apples & Oranges - the N6 here is effectively the minor road that's splitting he N84 mas the major road (this was the original layout).
    The N6 is the major road - it is a national primary road
    The N84 is secondary.

    Historically the Sandy Road - Menlo Road is the original one but that means nothing now other than that the importance of roads change.

    If the five arm Bohermore roundabout is ever signalised and reduced to a four arm junction I imagine the Sandy Road exit would be the one for the chop. This would leave a Tuam road - Bohermore, Sean Mulvoy - Moneenageisha cross.

    I do think the solution to this is probably a bigger signalised junction further up for both Sandyvale Lawn and Menlo.


  • #63
    antoobrien
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The N6 is the major road - it is a national primary road
    The N84 is secondary.

    Ask somebody from galway if they care what the map says


  • #64
    Sponge Bob
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    Ask somebody from galway if they care what the map says

    It only became the N6 once the stretch past the racecourse was finished around 1997 or 1998, before then the N6 went via suicide cross.

    Believe it or not it was the N17 Headford Road for a few years before then ...which ran as far as the Headford road roundabout. The R336 started at Flemings. :D

    The N84 has started at the Sandyvale roundabout for around 20 years and possibly even earlier than that.


  • #65
    Sponge Bob
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    Why not T the Headford Road onto Bothar na Treabh along the back of Sanydyvale and turn the existing stretch from the Menlo Park Hotel to Sceilg Ard into a cul de sac ending at Sceilg Ard. ??


  • #66
    what_traffic
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    Ask somebody from galway if they care what the map says

    What do mean by this statement? Deleted User is correct, what has "caring" got to do with it?
    @ Sponge Bob thanks for the history lesson


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  • #67
    what_traffic
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why not T the Headford Road onto Bothar na Treabh along the back of Sanydyvale and turn the existing stretch from the Menlo Park Hotel to Sceilg Ard into a cul de sac ending at Sceilg Ard. ??

    Interesting idea. Probably the most expensive option but would take out alot of vechicular traffic from the Ballinafoyle area. Where exactly would the "T" junction be? Halfway between the Font and Kirwin?


  • #68
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why not T the Headford Road onto Bothar na Treabh along the back of Sanydyvale and turn the existing stretch from the Menlo Park Hotel to Sceilg Ard into a cul de sac ending at Sceilg Ard. ??
    That was an option discussed at the meeting - the negatives associated with it were that it would create another junction on the BnT, it would cut across green space and it would probably require taking private land.


  • #69
    Sponge Bob
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    But they are now creating a junction there anyway...out of the Liosban. TBoning the Terryland river park to get there.

    Why not send the Liosban traffic out where it comes now and block the Headford road instead.

    I don't know who owns the land behind Sandyvale....probably NAMA. :( The Liosban is private land too of course.


  • #70
    antoobrien
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I don't know who owns the land behind Sandyvale....probably NAMA.

    If it is, its not on their enforcement list. AFAIK that's still farmland


  • #71
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    But they are now creating a junction there anyway...out of the Liosban. TBoning the Terryland river park to get there.

    Why not send the Liosban traffic out where it comes now and block the Headford road instead.
    No - the talk of a new exit from the Liosban was just looking at alternatives.

    As far as I know the plan hasn't changed - the Headford and Sandy Road arms will be kept in the new junction with the Menlo exit being moved.


    Another alternative which would probably be far too expensive - move the current junction further out BndT - bringing the Headford road out the back of the Sandyvale and building a new bridge coming from the industrial estate.

    The existing roundabout could be removed entirely and the exits closed off and the Menlo road could be ran into what used to be the Headford road.

    There would also be a straight road from the Tuam road to this junction.


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  • #72
    antoobrien
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Why not send the Liosban traffic out where it comes now and block the Headford road instead.

    You can't Headford Rd from Ballindooley, there's no other route into town. Blocking it from town (which would be like something the council would do) renders the whole lights scheme useless as the traffic would more than likely just continue on out the Dublin Rd like sheep.

    I think they need to take a look at the plans they put in for bodkin to see how to solve this mess. They had to allow right turns in a few places because of the missing RAB, and make a few changes to pedestrian crossing and the like.

    The easiest way to solve this is to take some land in Tirellan, make a proper lighted junction up by the church and provide a proper car park at the back of the school. Everyone wins. But hey, that's be doing things right.


  • #73
    antoobrien
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    A couple of updates on this in the few days.

    There'll be no more public meetings reagrding this junction according to a local council member. The article is long on politician waffle but there is one bit that gives some information about the proposals
    One option put before the public meeting 10 April showed a new set of lights just yards from the new proposed Menlo Park junction to facilitate an exit and entrance to Liosban Industrial Estate. However, Cllr Nolan said it was clear that this would not make for ‘free flow’ traffic

    The other is that they are considering two options.
    The option preferred by Galway City Transportation Unit involves diverting a road from the Menlo Park Hotel grounds through to the Headford Road.

    The other would see the creation of a second exit into Liosban Industrial Estate off Bothar na dTreabh which is expected to carry significant costs.

    The local authority was forced to reconsider its options following huge oppositing to the proposed changeover to a four lane signalised junction.

    Director of Services Ciaran Hayes says the decision will be challenging as either route will carry its own issues.


  • #74
    Sniipe
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    Surely there have been some developments in this area recently?

    I would be in favour of keeping the Tirellan road into the junction and close off the Sandyroad. Then have the traffic into liosban have an entrance/exit with traffic lights on the N6 like this: 204338.jpg

    Problems with this? I can see people using Dunnes Stores as a rat race... Solution: ??


  • #75
    Sniipe
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    why is this in Soc > Infrastructure > Roads. Its far more applicable to galway city forum!!!


  • #76
    snubbleste
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    It only became the N6 once the stretch past the racecourse was finished around 1997 or 1998, before then the N6 went via suicide cross.
    Believe it or not it was the N17 Headford Road for a few years before then ...which ran as far as the Headford road roundabout. The R336 started at Flemings. :D
    The N84 has started at the Sandyvale roundabout for around 20 years and possibly even earlier than that.

    The N84 used to start at the TownHall and went northeast.


  • #77
    antoobrien
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    Sniipe wrote: »
    why is this in Soc > Infrastructure > Roads. Its far more applicable to galway city forum!!!

    Because any thread discussing traffic degenerated into an argument, so biko (the mod who had to put up with it all) banned talking about road projects that aren't happening now, had it put out here instead as it is a future project and still needs to be discussed.
    Sniipe wrote: »
    Surely there have been some developments in this area recently?

    They're due to vote on two proposals (which afaik are not publicly available at the city council meeting next Monday.

    Sniipe wrote: »
    I would be in favour of keeping the Tirellan road into the junction and close off the Sandyroad. Then have the traffic into liosban have an entrance/exit with traffic lights on the N6 like this:

    Problems with this? I can see people using Dunnes Stores as a rat race... Solution: ??

    Like they're already doing?

    The proposal looks like one that the businesses in Liosban shouted down a few weeks ago. The problem I see with it is the (apologies if i didn't mention this earlier in my other posts) is that the other end of sandy road (at cemetery cross) will be closed off in the next round of junction downgrades roundabout removals - making access to the townhouses at both ends of the road harder. On the other hand, they'll be in a big cul de sac, so maybe that's not a bad thing.

    Despite my reservations I'd be more inclined to support this than the alternative of closing off the menlo park entrance.


  • #78
    El_Dangeroso
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    Does anyone know from these plans how people will get out of the Gort and Dun na Coiribe complexes?

    I've looked at the plans a few times and can't figure out how I will get from Gort na Coiribe to knocknacarra without the kirwan roundabout to make a u-turn on.


  • #79
    antoobrien
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    El_Dangeroso wrote: »
    Does anyone know from these plans how people will get out of the Gort and Dun na Coiribe complexes?

    I've looked at the plans a few times and can't figure out how I will get from Gort na Coiribe to knocknacarra without the kirwan roundabout to make a u-turn on.

    Wrong junction - check the Headford Rd plans (thread)


  • #80
    Wild Bill
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    Can't argue with this plan. N6 priority over N84 priority over local road.

    Local objections are like folk from RTE/Nutley Lane wanting priority over the N11.


  • #81
    Sniipe
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    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Can't argue with this plan.
    Which plan?


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  • #82
    antoobrien
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    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Local objections are like folk from RTE/Nutley Lane wanting priority over the N11.

    It's nothing like RTE - the city council are making it practically impossible to turn right (to get into town) from a residenital area that houses more than 1000 people. That makes it harder to get to and from work, schools, shops etc


  • #83
    Sniipe
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    ... the city council are making it practically impossible to turn right (to get into town) from a residenital area that houses more than 1000 people. That makes it harder to get to and from work, schools, shops etc
    Too true. More than half of Tirellan, crestwood, castlelawn, ros na shee, Illaun Ri drive, parts of the dyke road, Coolough and good chunk of Menlo (some more depending on their destination). That is a lot of traffic in my opinion... and all of these will be told to access the headford road from Tirellan and will gain access by the goodwill of others.


  • #84
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    why not make it something similar to the junction at parkmore/monivea road. 2 sets of lights close together


  • #85
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    I imagine that is one of the workarounds being considered.

    At the meeting the engineers suggested that when this was modeled in the simulation it gave a greater average waiting time for traffic coming from Menlo as they would not be able to take opportunities as they were available.


  • #86
    antoobrien
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    why not make it something similar to the junction at parkmore/monivea road. 2 sets of lights close together

    I'm from that side of town, the layout of that junction is not a good idea. In fact it's been a disaster since the lights @ parkmore were put in place in order to make it easier for the traffic to get out of industrial estates. The simple fact is that the parkmore road should have been closed and re-routed when the DC was built, but GCC didn't think about that and gave planning permission to Western Motors. Oops.

    What you're inviting is liosban/riverside mark II.


  • #87
    Wild Bill
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    antoobrien wrote: »
    It's nothing like RTE - the city council are making it practically impossible to turn right (to get into town) from a residenital area that houses more than 1000 people. That makes it harder to get to and from work, schools, shops etc

    Well, I come from a small estate (by Dublin standards) of about 1,000 people and there is one exit at a roundabout and traffic lights in both directions from the roundabout within a few hundred metres. (The roundabout had four roads joining but they recently closed one off!)

    Doesn't cause any problems.


  • #88
    dloob
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    Decision made, the menlo park entrance will be closed

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/25805-city-council-votes-remove-kirwan-roundabout


  • #89
    Whistler12
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    According to 3 councillors that I spoke with today, Ciaran Hayes did not inform them that there is to be a new road connecting the Sandy road to the Sean Mulvoy road through the land at the back of the ESB garage, therefore giving the Sandy and Liosbaun Industrial Estates yet another entrance/exit.


  • #90
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    Who is proposing a new road there?

    Edit: I doubt the ESB would be too keen - the only purpose of such a road would be if the Cemetery Cross exit were to be closed.

    It would also be creating another junction on a short stretch of road.

    https://maps.google.ie/maps?hl=en&ll=53.283433,-9.041662&spn=0.002742,0.008256&hnear=Galway,+County+Galway&t=h&z=18


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  • #91
    Whistler12
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    Bingo!! The plan is to close the sandy road exit when they convert cemetery cross to a 4 lane junction. Hayes said this at the public meeting in the pillo but then got away from the subject rapidly!


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