Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

mike65 · 13-05-2012 06:26PM

Match goers will be happy to know ticket prices are frozen for next season (they'd be risking a riot if they put them up after the home form!)

amiable · 13-05-2012 06:26PM

mike65 wrote: »

If Skrtel has decided to bail out having had easily his best season having played nearly every game that would be a telling indictment of the management. Makes one wonder if Agger, who has always been more vocal, would follow.

Skrtel is 27 and no doubt at his age moving on to challenge for titles is crossing his mind at this stage and who could blame him.
Hopefully Skrtel and Agger stay next season and Liverpool keep a solid backline to build from.

G.K. · 13-05-2012 06:28PM

daRobot wrote: »

Ah Downing, moneyball at it's finest...

Downing's signing wasn't moneyball.

Masked Man · 13-05-2012 06:30PM

amiable wrote: »

There's been discussion about it for months now.
Maybe people aren't in the mood to jump to it just cos you say so.
But as you mention it there have been several posters on here today calling for him to leave.
They are entitled to that opinion. My own is that he should be given another year to sort things out.

I'm not saying they have to jump on it, if they don't want to discuss it just don't. No need to try be a dick about it.

Do you think he'll change? If your buy some of the foreign players your linked with I could see things picking up (don't know that much about them, but they seem quality from what I've read). But the way Kenny has come across in interviews this season is a bit stubborn. Hopefully that's just purely him going for the them against us mentality.

Mr Magnolia · 13-05-2012 06:34PM

I heard a new one today, Martinez being lined up with KK moving upstairs. Makes no sense to me.

mada999 · 13-05-2012 06:34PM

how'd we play against Swansea, anyone catch the game?

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 06:36PM

G.K. wrote: »

Downing's signing wasn't moneyball.

What was it based on then? It certainly wasn't from watching him play.

amiable · 13-05-2012 06:36PM

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I heard a new one today, Martinez being lined up with KK moving upstairs. Makes no sense to me.

That's been talked about a fair bit on here today.
I think Kenny should be given another season.

Jesus Wept · 13-05-2012 06:38PM

Kenny should move out, not up, Club should move on.

amiable · 13-05-2012 06:39PM

Masked Man wrote: »

I'm not saying they have to jump on it, if they don't want to discuss it just don't. No need to try be a dick about it.

Do you think he'll change? If your buy some of the foreign players your linked with I could see things picking up (don't know that much about them, but they seem quality from what I've read). But the way Kenny has come across in interviews this season is a bit stubborn. Hopefully that's just purely him going for the them against us mentality.

Not being a dick about anything.
I addressed the points you made.
You didn't like the reply and accuse me of being a dick about it.
You don't know about some of these players Liverpool are linked with but if they do sign them it would be good?
Fair enough

El Inho · 13-05-2012 06:43PM

just heard about Martinez....great manager but....strange one?

its one of those rumours so strange it might not be made up

ShaneScouse · 13-05-2012 06:43PM

Well a dire end to a dire season, the whole CityVUtd thing has overshadowed what a woefull league it has been for us. Carling cup at least and the FAcup final to at least stop some embarresment.

Not sure what kenny will do or what should be done, Id have to say give him another year, if we do or dont we still aint gona be much better off next season.
Still feel if we had some god damn luck in the first half of season the 2nd half might have been totally different, all the posts and missed chances and bad ref decisons takes it toll, players start to feel sorry for themselves and it shows in performances, ah well lets just be glad Utd didnt win there 20th.

amiable · 13-05-2012 06:44PM

El Spearo wrote: »

just heard about Martinez....great manager but....strange one?

its one of those rumours so strange it might not be made up

There's so much momentum behind the rumour I wouldn't be surprised if there was some truth to it.

Masked Man · 13-05-2012 06:44PM

amiable wrote: »

Not being a dick about anything.
I addressed the points you made.
You didn't like the reply and accuse me of being a dick about it.
You don't know about some of these players Liverpool are linked with but if they do sign them it would be good?
Fair enough

Meant other people didn't need to be a dick, not you. Your usually pretty good about having a discussion about whatever.

Ardent · 13-05-2012 06:46PM

Mr Magnolia wrote: »

I heard a new one today, Martinez being lined up with KK moving upstairs. Makes no sense to me.

Would love to see Martinez at a big club with funds to spend, think he has all the hallmarks of a top a manager. Just not sure if he's ready yet for a club of Liverpool's size and ambition.

Mr Alan · 13-05-2012 06:46PM

The likes of Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers, while potentially top managers in the future are not their yet & may never get there (Coyle & McLeish are two examples from recent seasons). The idea of replacing Kenny with any of them does nothing for me. If there was a genuine proven world class manager who we could get in available, I'd be more open to the idea of a change in manager.

As disappointing as this season has been, seeing where we're at next season under Kenny is the best path to take IMO.

Ronan|Raven · 13-05-2012 06:47PM

El Spearo wrote: »

sooooooooooo

where do we go from here

PUB

mike65 · 13-05-2012 06:48PM

Just looking through the first two threads for the season (and last summer), depressing really.

Chucky the tree · 13-05-2012 06:52PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

The likes of Martinez, Lambert, Rodgers, while potentially top managers in the future are not their yet & may never get there (Coyle & McLeish are two examples from recent seasons). The idea of replacing Kenny with any of them does nothing for me. If there was a genuine proven world class manager who we could get in available, I'd be more open to the idea of a change in manager.

As disappointing as this season has been, seeing where we're at next season under Kenny is the best path to take IMO.

It's honeslty one of the worst ideas and it pains me that it is continuously mentioned. We've seen where we are at with Kenny, either stick with him now for the nxt 4 years or move on. This whole "oh one more year" is painful stupid and short-sighted. Being realisitc even Kenny can't do a much worse job and if he does a better one then how can he be sacked next year if he takes us 6th? It's not possible to just give him one more year. I think he should be gotten rid of now because in my eyes he's clearly shown he doesn't have the ability to ever make us premier league challengers or Champions league ones. challengers.

daithijjj · 13-05-2012 06:53PM

If people thought things were going to be rosy after 1 aggressive summer spend in 4/5 years then you have no patience for what is actually required. IMO it would take 3 years of aggressive spend to overhaul what Dalglish inherited.

This squad still has a ship load of 'trash' to address from the decisions made pre the current owners.

A mistake we made this year was not getting another striker, we had no options up front.

Happy to have KK get another year at least. Hopefully not lose key players in Lucas/Gerrard/Suarez for large chunks of the season next term and have a bit of luck in front of goal.

retalivity · 13-05-2012 06:54PM

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/liverpool-specials/next-permanent-manager

Vladimir Smicer at 66/1
GET ON IT

amiable · 13-05-2012 06:55PM

Masked Man wrote: »

Meant other people didn't need to be a dick, not you. Your usually pretty good about having a discussion about whatever.

Apologies so. I took you up wrong

opr · 13-05-2012 06:56PM

G.K. wrote: »

Downing's signing wasn't moneyball.

In many respects, Downing is a moneyball signing. I'm not saying Kenny wasn't the one who wanted him but certainly he fitted the other criteria.

- Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. #Whip.

- Stewart Downing has averaged 34.4 appearances over the past five Premier League seasons. #Reliable.

The much fabled chance creation table seems to feature almost every player we bought or were linked with, of which Downing features quite heavily.

- He is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration. #Chances.

Comolli said in an interview statistical analysis had shown he was way undervalued in the market.

Opr

I am pie · 13-05-2012 06:57PM

Kenny out, i dont buy into the 'at least we are playing good football' myth. Cluess up top and ponderous in midfield. He didnt have a notion of how to get gerrard and suarez playing well together and saddled us with the awful s downing.

Kenny , hope we move him away from the first team into a cosy role upstairs.

Revolution9 · 13-05-2012 06:59PM

There is not one realistic alternative I can think of to replace Dalglish, so that's why I'm hoping we stick with him. Rodgers, Lambert, Martinez etc. do nothing for me. A quick fix was always unlikely after the mess left by the previous regime. I'd give KD another season. If I felt like we could attract someone like Jurgen Klopp I'd be behind his removal, but I don't think we're in the position to do so. I would have Benitez back but I can't see that happening until some of the current playing staff have left/retired.

G.K. · 13-05-2012 07:03PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

What was it based on then? It certainly wasn't from watching him play.

Presuemably from looking at 1 or 2 isolated stats, and the ability to kick 5 balls into 5 bins.

But a couple of isolated stats isn't moneyball.

mav79 · 13-05-2012 07:03PM

Kenny is a hero to most Liverpool fans and a club legend. But I can't see any reason to keep him as manager, he has been in charge for 18 months and we are going in the wrong direction. What do people expect from him next year?

G.K. · 13-05-2012 07:04PM

opr wrote: »

In many respects, Downing is a moneyball signing. I'm not saying Kenny wasn't the one who wanted him but certainly he fitted the other criteria.

- Stewart Downing has completed more crosses in open play than any other player in the Premier League over the last three seasons. #Whip.

- Stewart Downing has averaged 34.4 appearances over the past five Premier League seasons. #Reliable.

The much fabled chance creation table seems to feature almost every player we bought or were linked with, of which Downing features quite heavily.

- He is the top-flight’s 5th-most successful chance-creator over the past seven seasons, and the only one of that top five to not be in a Champions League side over the duration. #Chances.

Comolli said in an interview statistical analysis had shown he was way undervalued in the market.

Opr

Statistical analysis isn't the only facet of moneyball, just a big one.

Masked Man · 13-05-2012 07:04PM

amiable wrote: »

Apologies so. I took you up wrong

It was kinda worded badly. By the "don't know that much about them" thing I just meant the likes of de Jong. Looked at his goals scored when his agent said something about ye. Based on that a team with Suarez, de Jong and Carroll as options up front would be pretty dangerous. Obviously its not in depth research.

Guy:Incognito · 13-05-2012 07:06PM

Had a look at the new home kit in person yesterday. I like.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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