Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

LuckyLloyd · 11-05-2012 02:02PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

surely this implies having the "96" somewhere on the club shirt for eternity? i.e. every season it must be there, otherwise that argument is moot.

I would be fine with it being there on every iteration of our jersey going forward tbh, and it should have been there for a long time before now imo...

joe123 · 11-05-2012 02:03PM

SlickRic wrote: »

he was the only other one i considered, but I think we have to give Henderson a chance.

McCarthy would be a bit of a sideways step IMO.

but he would, at the very least, add depth in that position. plus he can play deep or further forward.

McCarthy has been playing a holding midfield role with Wigan the last while and he has been really impressive.

Leiva · 11-05-2012 02:04PM

ush wrote: »

Quote:
@SkySportsMobile: Jermain Defoe admits that he asked to leave Tottenham in January and that a loan to Liverpool was a real possibility #LFC #THFC

Are LFC that desperate though?

Whats his contract situation like ?

For anything sub £5mil+2/3yrs wage I would take him in a heart beat.

No denying he would have cleared up for us with the amount of balls that went across the opponents six yard box this season with no one to finish.

He can be lethal at close range.

Nuri Sahin · 11-05-2012 02:04PM

If Defoe is the height of our aspirations even if it is cover for the main striker whoever that should be come next season, IF we paid anything over £5M. I'd be livid, but that's just me.

edit - just read last few posts, loan would be alright.

edit - he's nearly 30! Thought he was a couple of years younger than that tbh.

SlickRic · 11-05-2012 02:06PM

and we shouldn't want, nor do we need Defoe.

i've had my fill of overpriced and/or overpaid British players.

plus he was never as good as some said he was, mainly Harry Redknapp. he'd go on about how brilliant a finisher he is, while at the same time rarely play him.

keep away IMO.

Hannibal · 11-05-2012 02:08PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

Yes, like I said he was entitled to complain and him complaining doesn't reflect badly on his managerial abilities.

We didn't sign Alves/Barry/Aguero and god knows how many other players because Rafa wasn't given the funds. That's my point - would he have the funds now if he came back? Would we be as attractive to these players as an 8th place Europa League team if we only offered average wages, even if Benitez was back at the helm? Would Benitez be able to get the team back in CL contention next season if he came in tomorrow and the club didn't have the funds or the status to bring these players in? My gut feeling is no.

As I say though, if FSG are going to put £50m+ into the first team this summer and offered competitive wages (say, what we're paying Maxi, Kuyt, Aquilani and Cole who'll hopefully be leaving), I'd be delighted if it was Benitez doing the buying.

Barry didn't come because he was watching a Liverpool match and he claims he heard the fans singing "you can stick gareth barry up your arse".

The point made about Ramsey, Pato, Alexis, Alves etc is that Rafa certainly has a talent for spotting talent young, even look at Insua, Paletta and Leto since they left us.

Of course we'd be attractive as we're LFC. Look at Italian teams like Inter, Lazio and Juve over the last 10/15 years during bad spells they were always able to attract good players because the players could see they were big clubs and there was a project to get back to the top.

It would be great if we could offload the wages of Cole, Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio although personally I think Aquilani has something to offer but either way this season he's either kept or sold and no more of this loaning out nonsense. As I've said on previous posts although Carragher is a legend and turning 35 this season, he ain't worth £80k a week to be 3rd or 4th choice.

I do think Benitez would get us closer than Dalglish is doing though, I remember thinking during the cup final first half that I've never seen a Liverpool in a big game perform so bad tactically and just look so under motivated. Got me thinking about the previous games against Chelsea, RMadrid, Barca, Juve etc in recent years. Even with the likes of Biscan, Traore and LeTallec turning out for us in crucial games we still performed

Turtyturd · 11-05-2012 02:08PM

Leiva wrote: »

The guy is desperate to join us .

Bringing bad news like that should be a weeks ban.

No English players during the summer please.

SlickRic · 11-05-2012 02:09PM

joe123 wrote: »

McCarthy has been playing a holding midfield role with Wigan the last while and he has been really impressive.

only for the last couple of months.

before that though, and i'm a bit wary of this, Wigan were shíte.

and he's been nowhere near their best performer in the last few weeks. i just would watch it before splashing the cash on him. you only have to look on this thread at some of the well-researched opinions from posters such as Kess, that there is far better value available on the continent.

martingriff · 11-05-2012 02:19PM

amiable wrote: »

Doni?

Midfilder

K-9 · 11-05-2012 02:20PM

Big difference between wanting Defoe on loan and signing him I'd say.

Al these backroom changes could mean Kenny is staying and the advisers are taking the hit.

Turtyturd · 11-05-2012 02:21PM

DNOI:pac:

The Chessplayer · 11-05-2012 02:22PM

Sappy404 wrote: »

I just want to clarify, I consider Rafa a legend for what he did with the club and I have no doubt that he's an incredible manager. There's literally nobody I'd rather have managing the club if Kenny should leave, but only under the right circumstances.

I'm struggling to find it on youtube, but watching a stream of the WBA match a few weeks ago, there was a managerial profile of Benitez on at half-time. Clips of interviews, match highlights, achievements etc. There was one interview clip, it looked like it was from LFC TV, wherein he states how difficult it is for mid-level clubs to break into the Champions League because they don't have the players. He's fairly forthcoming in stating that his tactics only really work because he has the right calibre of player to do what he wants them to do. His point was that other managers in the PL aren't as fortunate as he is, but it makes a lot of sense when you look at the noises he's made at Liverpool and Inter about getting the players he wants.

I'm not for a second implying that he's not entitled to complain when he's not able to sign who he wants, or that he's a lesser manager for it, but if the circumstances aren't in place for him to make the ideal return (i.e. unless FSG would give him regular backing in the from of investment) then I'm not sure the time is right.

Excellent post. We, and premier league fans in general, place far too much stock on individual "big name" managers. There are plenty of very good young managers around who could do a good job at Liverpool, yet we constantly recycle the same old names. We've got a young squad and, with the exception of Gerrard, we don't have any big time Charlies. If Kenny stood aside, there would never be a better time to install a young and upcoming manager. I think Abramovich showed balls hiring AVB but it was perhaps the wrong time with Chelsea having a sort of changing of the guard and quite a few big time charlies such as Lampard, Cole and Terry.

You shouldn't need to justify your position by prefacing your post with "Rafa is a legend", for fear of the diehard Rafa'ites having a go at you. We don't need a big name to take us forward. If it's not Benitez they are clamouring for, it is Deschamps, Mourinho or Pellegrini. I would love to see us bring in a young manager. Italian and Spanish clubs promote talent within their leagues, and I see no reason why a Chris Hughton or even an Alan Pardew couldn't work at Liverpool. I would love to see Sami Hyppia get the job. People say that he'd be too close to certain players, but Kenny himself started as a player manager and put the club first when it came to the tough decisions.

Anyone · 11-05-2012 02:29PM

Only way Defoe will get to leave Spurs is if they hold onto Adabeyor, which I dont think they will. His wages are too high and it would smash their wage setup.

Nuri Sahin · 11-05-2012 02:35PM

Great pic of Sterling in training

and a GIF of Carroll :pac:

Turtyturd · 11-05-2012 02:48PM

-Ade- wrote: »

Great pic of Sterling in training

and a GIF of Carroll :pac:

I didn't actually think he smiled until the Chelsea game, was nice to see him playing with a smile on his face.

amiable · 11-05-2012 02:49PM

martingriff wrote: »

Midfilder

Exactly

Sappy404 · 11-05-2012 02:49PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

You shouldn't need to justify your position by prefacing your post with "Rafa is a legend", for fear of the diehard Rafa'ites having a go at you. We don't need a big name to take us forward. If it's not Benitez they are clamouring for, it is Deschamps, Mourinho or Pellegrini. I would love to see us bring in a young manager. Italian and Spanish clubs promote talent within their leagues, and I see no reason why a Chris Hughton or even an Alan Pardew couldn't work at Liverpool. I would love to see Sami Hyppia get the job. People say that he'd be too close to certain players, but Kenny himself started as a player manager and put the club first when it came to the tough decisions.

Thanks. Just to clarify though, that was an explanatory post as my previous attempt to explain how the time/circumstances mightn't be right for a Benitez return seemed to be interpreted as some kind of anti-Benitez rhetoric. I'm not trying to suggest we go for a lesser-known manager. I'm saying that right now may not be the right time for Benitez to come in.

Just in case "there's literally nobody I'd rather have managing the club if Kenny should leave" isn't clear enough, let me say, I definitely want him back. Nobody is better placed to come in at present given his ability, love for the club, and his current status as a free agent.

My only concern about Rafa coming back is a repeat of the circumstances that saw him leave previously, namely the club not matching his ambitions with investment. Obviously the whole club has changed now, and UFFP is a major factor these days. But I'd be very worried a situation might arise whereby Rafa asked for a sum for a player he thought would improve us, didn't get it, and the team suffered as a result.

If the club built a new stadium by say 2015, remained totally debt free and was profitable enough to self-sustain a large spend on players every summer if needed, there'd be no better man for the job. Right now though, I'd be concerned if Rafa came back.

amiable · 11-05-2012 02:52PM

Anyone wrote: »

Only way Defoe will get to leave Spurs is if they hold onto Adabeyor, which I dont think they will. His wages are too high and it would smash their wage setup.

Or if he's entering the last year of his contract which I suspect he is and tells Spurs he's not signing a new contract.
Don't be surprised to see Spurs sign 2 strikers this summer.
I'd imagine they'll be quite active this summer espeecially if Bale or Modric are sold and Adebayor can't be signed.

Sir Gallagher · 11-05-2012 03:14PM

Lets overtake spurs by signing one of their rejects... no thanks.

Kess73 · 11-05-2012 03:26PM

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Excellent post. We, and premier league fans in general, place far too much stock on individual "big name" managers. There are plenty of very good young managers around who could do a good job at Liverpool, yet we constantly recycle the same old names. We've got a young squad and, with the exception of Gerrard, we don't have any big time Charlies. If Kenny stood aside, there would never be a better time to install a young and upcoming manager. I think Abramovich showed balls hiring AVB but it was perhaps the wrong time with Chelsea having a sort of changing of the guard and quite a few big time charlies such as Lampard, Cole and Terry.

You shouldn't need to justify your position by prefacing your post with "Rafa is a legend", for fear of the diehard Rafa'ites having a go at you. We don't need a big name to take us forward. If it's not Benitez they are clamouring for, it is Deschamps, Mourinho or Pellegrini. I would love to see us bring in a young manager. Italian and Spanish clubs promote talent within their leagues, and I see no reason why a Chris Hughton or even an Alan Pardew couldn't work at Liverpool. I would love to see Sami Hyppia get the job. People say that he'd be too close to certain players, but Kenny himself started as a player manager and put the club first when it came to the tough decisions.

No, people would say that he does not have his coaching badges etc and as such would not be able to manage in England until he got them. Would love to see him back at the club when he has all his qualifications though as the man is a natural leader and is looking like he might be a very shrewd reader of the game from the touchline based on his short time as stand in boss in Germany.

Kenny did start as player manager, but he had one huge advantage over many young managers in the form of Bob Paisley who took the role as Kenny's adviser for Kenny's first two years at the club and during those two years Bob was heavily involved in the media and transfer side of things.

asdfgh86 · 11-05-2012 03:38PM

I'd say that shirt would be in my top 3 of recent history, other favourites would be 02/04 and 93-95. What are other people's recent favourites?
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool.htm

Turtyturd · 11-05-2012 03:49PM

89-91 for me, probably because it was the first kit I got, plus after that they became just another variation of a template have a severe dislike for the Reebok ones though. The current one grew on me after a while too.

missingtime · 11-05-2012 03:55PM

I have this one:

I quite like it.

Damien360 · 11-05-2012 04:04PM

asdfgh86 wrote: »

I'd say that shirt would be in my top 3 of recent history, other favourites would be 02/04 and 93-95. What are other people's recent favourites?
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool.htm

Great link. My first shirt was the 76-79 shirt. Then the 82 and 87. Never had any of the Candy ones and to be honest they are awful. Last few were 04-06, 08, 10. I had a few variants in yellow and the black ones where the Calrsberg logo crumpled up a bit and the shirt became a bit pointy in the chest area. It is now my painting shirt !

The Chessplayer · 11-05-2012 04:05PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Kenny did start as player manager, but he had one huge advantage over many young managers in the form of Bob Paisley who took the role as Kenny's adviser for Kenny's first two years at the club and during those two years Bob was heavily involved in the media and transfer side of things.

What you're actually doing here is undermining Kenny's role in his initial success, by implying it was largley down to Paisley's guidance. That's utter rubbish. It wouldn't matter if he had Bono, the Pope and John F. Kennedy as his advisors. He became Liverpool's player manager and romped home with a league/fa cup double. He was the one calling the shots. If anything, these days it would be easier for a manager to come in, given the huge support network of staff who take care of the players.

A great advisor/no.2 will only get you so far. Case in point, Bobby Robson and Stan. Afterall, in Stan's words, the manager is "the gaffer".

LFC has always eschewed hero worship. The tradition of Kenny and the bootroom has always been that of the collective. We should never look to one man for our silver bullet, and that's what's wrong with all the Rafa brigade. Rafa did a great job for us, but without huge cash he can't compete any more than any other manager (as he himself remarked - see Sappy's post). Where would that leave us? The same old public squabbles as last time (Rick Parry nonsense). And then again washing his dirty linen in public at Inter. Both situations were far from ideal for Rafa but he didn't cover himself in glory with his behaviour.

In my opinion a younger manager who sees the job as a project would be a better option - someone who wants to prove themselves at the top table. Think of the integrity that Guardiola brings to the table with his 1-year contracts. There are young managers out there who could do a job for us.

Of course, another option - given the lack of resources (compared to City & Chelsea) - would be to hire someone who loves the club and would walk over hot coals to take the job, e.g. Sami Hyppia.....or, wait, hang on a minute...why not just keep KENNY DALGLISH!!!

Ganymede Glow · 11-05-2012 04:07PM

bloke on the .tv forums saying we've tied up a deal for Diamé off Wigan.

Morzadec · 11-05-2012 04:10PM

First kit I got was the 93-95 one with Rush on the back when I was 7, so have a soft spot for that. Also had the away one from that year as a cast off from my cousin and quite liked it as well.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-change-kits.html

The following years one (95-96) I had Collymore on the back and it was a pretty horrible kit I must say. Not a fan of the weird cricket collar.

Favourite recent away kit was the grey 08-09 one. We've had some pretty horrible away shirts through the years

Turtyturd · 11-05-2012 04:17PM

Morzadec wrote: »

First kit I got was the 93-95 one with Rush on the back when I was 7, so have a soft spot for that. Also had the away one from that year as a cast off from my cousin and quite liked it as well.

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-change-kits.html

The following years one (95-96) I had Collymore on the back and it was a pretty horrible kit I must say. Not a fan of the weird cricket collar.

Favourite recent away kit was the grey 08-09 one. We've had some pretty horrible away shirts through the years

The majority of them are ok, bar the 93-95, 96-97, and the current white one.

Good thing the keepers ones have always been top class.

asdfgh86 · 11-05-2012 04:21PM

http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool-change-kits.html

I like the away shirts from the same years I liked the home shirts 93-95 and 02-03 (07-08 wasn't bad either)

Hate when they're yellow and the white ones are a bit tacky too.

cantgetright · 11-05-2012 04:26PM

asdfgh86 wrote: »

I'd say that shirt would be in my top 3 of recent history, other favourites would be 02/04 and 93-95. What are other people's recent favourites?
http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Liverpool/Liverpool.htm

The price of those kits are crazy. I won't be buying myself a retro strip.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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