Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

Smidge · 06-05-2012 12:32AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Not many people in the industry would be qualified to be a fitness instructor and a lifeguard.

Of the roughly 45+ fitness trainers/personal trainers I have known across a multitude of gyms and cities 1 of them was also qualified to be a lifeguard.

In my opinion that ad is clearly looking for someone to be able to cover multiple rolls, probably to cover staff holidays.

I was begining to lose my will to live trying to get that point across to someone;)
Thank you, good Sir.
I can now rest easy that I am not a lunatic:D

yore · 06-05-2012 12:35AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Not many people in the industry would be qualified to be a fitness instructor and a lifeguard.

Of the roughly 45+ fitness trainers/personal trainers I have known across a multitude of gyms and cities 1 of them was also qualified to be a lifeguard.

In my opinion that ad is clearly looking for someone to be able to cover multiple rolls, probably to cover staff holidays.

Well I'd reckon that a fitness instructor might not necessarily have swim qualifications, however a swim teacher would more than likely also be qualified as a lifeguard, and it wouldn't be unheard of to tack on a fitness qualification

i'd reckon there's not too many gyms in the country that could have a full time swimming instructor who did nothing else but teach swimming.

Smidge · 06-05-2012 12:40AM

yore wrote: »

Well I'd reckon that a fitness instructor might not necessarily have swim qualifications, however a swim teacher would more than likely also be qualified as a lifeguard, and it wouldn't be unheard of to tack on a fitness qualification

i'd reckon there's not too many gyms in the country that could have a full time swimming instructor who did nothing else but teach swimming.

How many times have you seen a lifeguard giving the kettlebells or spin class in the gym of the same place?????

Head explodes

yore · 06-05-2012 12:46AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

How many times have you seen a lifeguard giving the aerobics class in the same place?????

Head explodes

Careful there with the head exploding. you can have a plenty of fitness qualifications without giving aerobics classes.

Have you seen all the people who work in gyms you've been in giving aerobics classes at one stage or the other. I was in one gym with a pool. they had two girls who used to give swimming lessons from time to time. Sometimes you'd see them at the pool as lifeguards (or you'd see younger staff/teenagers doing that job). You'd also get the same people upstairs showing people how to use the machines properly or designing fitness/conditioning programmes for people.

Some people have more than one talent!!!

Smidge · 06-05-2012 12:53AM

yore wrote: »

Careful there with the head exploding. you can have a plenty of fitness qualifications without giving aerobics classes.

Have you seen all the people who work in gyms you've been in giving aerobics classes at one stage or the other. I was in one gym with a pool. they had two girls who used to give swimming lessons from time to time. Sometimes you'd see them at the pool as lifeguards (or you'd see younger staff/teenagers doing that job). You'd also get the same people upstairs showing people how to use the machines properly or designing fitness/conditioning programmes for people.

Some people have more than one talent!!!

You are right, I bow to your superior knowledge on this and do not wish to argue the point further. You have had the last word and have convinced me that I was wrong.

*eye twitch*

yore · 06-05-2012 12:56AM

mishkalucy wrote: »

You are right, I bow to your superior knowledge on this and do not wish to argue the point further. You have had the last word and have convinced me that I was wrong.

*eye twitch*

No offence, but you are the one who seems to be under the impression that that employer is trying to take on one person as cheap labour to do what should be three separate employment positions. Either they are going to be working 120 hours a week or else it was at best 3 13-hour-a-week jobs if so!

06-05-2012 02:12PM

Fast Food Operative

The intern will gain practical experience in the day to day workings of the fast food restaurant,especially customer service working as part of a team serving a quality product. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following customer service, cash handling, cash register use , visa machine,food prep,stock, equipment use, equipment cleaning, deliveries, and now a telephone ordering service has been launched. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer service working as part of a team, and have gained practical experience in the fast food industry and be competent to apply for work.

Complete and send by email to supermacs_ardkeen@eircom.net

Up yours Supermacs

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DDI1Jdo6b9Fv3/ZhEYZzIYGe1CDg8lVcWrxotdblxeYrs+OpczqRuiIYtbtVepOE2WqZh0qkw+XgVjrzHglG8no8tTEiuyaMagx7oHfgQRqZyY1MCYZUNFkQj72nhVGj/EEVjea+AD3hHDDMgb0JWsyV1uXIpsn1nNmk1Nq1+X4zOGjSGnJ/q1zRSA6z1fU/5ym/ALN+VfiL2G951kMoxfOl+8/JEoyAXJ0qUFt3RfLFijBlGJoipDAyxyM6Yj3UTdzcFjZmFrzP8uLilZXx0N0wy16WMzSqPF+xw0dAqKxeQ2d5qedGbDCanShUSaoxTlV27STAQpGZGGtTgJpLIvFKCvYbHKNxganI6UdDWjDnx492rxWlrqfr+7c8vPenyKN+ReYiKfrWFlQ3olZ2FNzvFVGdwRr7GXTbqMl4FATPIb10O02Fo6g=

Ref. INTE-680196

christmas2012 · 06-05-2012 02:16PM

''I'm no fan of FG but this seems like a very good idea. People on the dole get valuable experience while companies get cheap labour.''

Its explotation these schemes are what perpetuates mass unemployment,who will hire and pay workers when they can get them for free off these schemes?:eek:

06-05-2012 02:44PM

Maybe the people who support this scheme want communism?
Labour are a big supporter of this scheme, they even tried to hire people in their party HQ last year under it

Logical Fallacy · 06-05-2012 02:51PM

yore wrote: »

Well I'd reckon that a fitness instructor might not necessarily have swim qualifications, however a swim teacher would more than likely also be qualified as a lifeguard, and it wouldn't be unheard of to tack on a fitness qualification

i'd reckon there's not too many gyms in the country that could have a full time swimming instructor who did nothing else but teach swimming.

In my experience the majority of swim instructors work in a few gyms, covering different hours in each place. They charge people for classes/lessons and the gym takes a cut.

At this point you just seem to be rolling out a modified version of your anecdotal evidence for each response you get, which is fine.

Doesn't really dispute the concept of the ad being discussed is bull**** and just another business taking advantage of the scheme rather than hiring someone.

Smidge · 06-05-2012 08:31PM

I just thought of something....

Haven't the majority of people who had gym memberships given them up because of the economy???

Problem solved:D

yore · 06-05-2012 09:44PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

In my experience the majority of swim instructors work in a few gyms, covering different hours in each place. They charge people for classes/lessons and the gym takes a cut.

At this point you just seem to be rolling out a modified version of your anecdotal evidence for each response you get, which is fine.

Doesn't really dispute the concept of the ad being discussed is bull**** and just another business taking advantage of the scheme rather than hiring someone.

Perhaps if some of those teachers that you know took up this position and gained some experience in working in other areas of the fitness centres, they might be able to get a wholetime job in just one place rather than having to traipse around the place picking up odd hours here and there

07-05-2012 02:50AM

yore wrote: »

Perhaps if some of those teachers that you know took up this position and gained some experience in working in other areas of the fitness centres, they might be able to get a wholetime job in just one place rather than having to traipse around the place picking up odd hours here and there

maybe if the jobsbridge scheme was scrapped employers would pay people and there would be more money for gym memberships and less money taken from people in tax to pay for the scheme

less tax, more money in the economy, win-win
only politicians wish to be seen to be doing something even if it is destructive

sunflower27 · 07-05-2012 09:20AM

The whole scheme needs to be overhauled.

A company should be allowed have an intern for a maximum of six months - that gives the intern a chance to learn new skills and prove themselves beneficial to the company.

A company should not be allowed to just keep replacing interns with new interns. If they want another, they can pay miminum wage for someone - they have already got 6 months' free labour.

People forget that the government is paying €50/week for every intern, so if there is currently almost 5,000 interns working, that is costing the State €200/month x 5,000 = €1m per month. Where is that going to come from I wonder?

Also, as long as this scheme is in operation, jobs in areas like administration, for example, will cease to exist.

I think it is everyone's best interest to scrap the scheme and get companies to start paying for labour.

sunflower27 · 07-05-2012 09:25AM

The intern will gain practical experience in lawn maintenance, courts management, plants / planting. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following Croquet / Tennis court guidelines & standards. Health & Safety training. On completion the intern will have attained skills in: all areas of grounds maintenance & skills relating to managing and maintaining Tennis & Croquet courts.

Yep, 9 months duration for this one.

07-05-2012 02:08PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

The whole scheme needs to be overhauled.

A company should be allowed have an intern for a maximum of six months - that gives the intern a chance to learn new skills and prove themselves beneficial to the company.

A company should not be allowed to just keep replacing interns with new interns. If they want another, they can pay miminum wage for someone - they have already got 6 months' free labour.

People forget that the government is paying €50/week for every intern, so if there is currently almost 5,000 interns working, that is costing the State €200/month x 5,000 = €1m per month. Where is that going to come from I wonder?

Also, as long as this scheme is in operation, jobs in areas like administration, for example, will cease to exist.

I think it is everyone's best interest to scrap the scheme and get companies to start paying for labour.

Or just scrap the scheme completely. We do not have a 14%+ unemployment rate because we lacked an internship scheme. Schemes like this ignore our root problems and allow politicians get away being seen to be doing something.

Cut the bull and get rid of the scheme and tackle real issues instead.

sunflower27 · 07-05-2012 02:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or just scrap the scheme completely. We do not have a 14%+ unemployment rate because we lacked an internship scheme. Schemes like this ignore our root problems and allow politicians get away being seen to be doing something.

Cut the bull and get rid of the scheme and tackle real issues instead.

Yes, exactly. I just looked at the fas jobsitefor my area and almost all jobs are internships.

Nothing is going to change as long as this shceme runs - nothing.

yore · 07-05-2012 06:02PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

The whole scheme needs to be overhauled.

A company should be allowed have an intern for a maximum of six months - that gives the intern a chance to learn new skills and prove themselves beneficial to the company.

A company should not be allowed to just keep replacing interns with new interns. If they want another, they can pay miminum wage for someone - they have already got 6 months' free labour.

People forget that the government is paying €50/week for every intern, so if there is currently almost 5,000 interns working, that is costing the State €200/month x 5,000 = €1m per month. Where is that going to come from I wonder?

Also, as long as this scheme is in operation, jobs in areas like administration, for example, will cease to exist.

I think it is everyone's best interest to scrap the scheme and get companies to start paying for labour.

Funnily enough, you seem to have described what are already two conditions of the jobsbridge scheme
http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/FAQOrgs.pdf

sunflower27 · 08-05-2012 07:59AM

yore wrote: »

Funnily enough, you seem to have described what are already two conditions of the jobsbridge scheme
http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/FAQOrgs.pdf

I can't open that link for some reason, but I know internships can be 9 months.

I did not know that interns could not be replaced by new interns. I am very happy if that is the case.

09-05-2012 07:40AM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0509/jobsbridge-internship-economy.html

1,000 extra places announced for National Internship Scheme

Almost 7,000 internships have been provided in the past ten months, the majority by private sector employers.

Based on the success of the scheme, Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton has decided to increase the number of places with immediate effect.

sunflower27 · 09-05-2012 07:45AM

If 797 out of 2,000 people on internships have got jobs I am shocked!!!!!

Handsome Bob · 09-05-2012 12:52PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

If 797 out of 2,000 people on internships have got jobs I am shocked!!!!!

Yeah, I find it hard to believe, but impressive if true.

yore · 09-05-2012 11:25PM

sunflower27 wrote: »

I can't open that link for some reason, but I know internships can be 9 months.

I did not know that interns could not be replaced by new interns. I am very happy if that is the case.

Yeas, you are right about the 9 months, but I was meaning to say that they aren't exactly open-ended. I've copied and pasted the bits for ya seeing as how it won't open (you might need to upgrade your Acrobat version or something)

1. What is the JobBridge the National Internship Scheme? .........The duration of individual internship positions will be a 6 month or a 9 month placement............
22. What if one placement finishes and I want to take on a person for the same position, can I do this? If a HO wishes to advertise in the same area a cooling off period for 6 months will apply

Obviously conditions can be abused but if you were a paid employee at a place taking advantage, you might be inclined to make a secret phonecall about it if you thought it was threatening your own position!

Battered Mars Bar · 09-05-2012 11:42PM

Why 6 months, seriously? These jobs and I'll be generous here take what 2 weeks max to get into the swing of...Employers should pay after 2 weeks, scumbags.

10-05-2012 12:37PM

Anyone just hear newstalk?

Martin Murphy, head of Hewlett Packard Ireland was just on saying how great it is to have 40 people working for them and not having to pay them a thing.

The smug git was made head of the steering committee for Jobbridge.

This scheme was Fianna Fail & The Green parties creation simply called the WPP 1 and the WPP 2 scheme. Labour embraced it from opposition and even tried to hire under the scheme

Then Labour and Fine Gael came in and Joan Burton and Labour really made it their own. They got fully behind it and renamed it and took money from private sector pension funds to pay the extra 50 euro. Fine Gael have stood behind this completely too. Our future does not lie with any of these brain dead politicians

http://www.thejournal.ie/private-pensions-levied-in-bid-to-boost-tourism-under-jobs-initiative-134437-May2011/

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0510/jobs_live.html

Remember this is their jobs strategy!

skoomi · 10-05-2012 01:08PM

To be honest I would much prefer one of these schemes instead of working in McDonalds or Penneys. There are a few good ones out there.

TwoShedsJackson · 10-05-2012 01:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone just hear newstalk?

Martin Murphy, head of Hewlett Packard Ireland was just on saying how great it is to have 40 people working for them and not having to pay them a thing.

The smug git was made head of the steering committee for Jobbridge.

At least he's being honest

What is the point of widening this farrago of a scheme to single parents etc? Yes the €50 a week will certainly cover childcare costs to say nothing of transport to and from work, to be treated like a skivvy by some wanker in a suit :rolleyes:

siltirocker · 10-05-2012 02:45PM

Whilst I have my own problems with Jobbridge.

I have a lot of problems with this thread. The amount of people getting their facts wrong on assumption and the need to rabble is appalling.

About 75-80% of the pro-Jobbridge posts are spent correcting Anti-Jobbridge posters incorrect information. It's like watching soviet propaganda.

Back on topic, I have to say I am very disappointed with the amount of people getting jobs with the companies they've worked for. Only a quarter or so. What's more disappointing about this is that the majority of these positions are probably mastered or perfected on the internship, but no job is forth coming.

stupidusername · 10-05-2012 07:17PM

And a third internship I've lost out on because I've no experience.

token101 · 10-05-2012 08:30PM

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Why should startups be automatically entitled to free labour?

Because they are the least likely to have the money to hire. And they should have to apply through the proper channels and prove they are actually a viable enterprise, not some guy running a website from his bedroom.

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

Very often they're the toughest places to work with no time or ability to provide the kind of training an intern at the very least deserves for working for free.

Being an intern is never and isn't meant to be easy. You're meant to implementing the training you received in college.

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

An intern should be exposed to expertise in their area.

They've already been exposed to 4 years of expertise. They need actual workplace experience. Lots of college graduates don't even know how to behave, dress, act in an office. Things like taking ownership of problems, using initiative, knowing when to escalate and refer to management. That's half of any job, just having the right balance of cop on. You won't learn that in any better environment than in a small business.

AnnyHallsal wrote: »

There are a lot of half-baked, fly-by-night startups around. The last thing they should get is the crutch of artificial resources. The best startups I know attract investment that enables them to recruit wisely, if on a modest scale.

An intern is hardly an 'artificial resource'. Yeah, exactly a modest scale. But they still need more hands. You're not going to be hiring an intern to formulate the entire marketing plan, but having them working under a marketing manager, managing SM sites, learning how reports are formulated and interpreted, etc, is great exposure in a start up.

Also worth remembering, that while these companies shouldn't be allowed to advertise at all, it's still up to the person to just ignore it and not apply. I'd like to know how many applicants Tesco actually got for their jobs masked as internships.

Internship scheme offers 5,000 work placements to people on the dole

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