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Road Rager gets 12 years

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  • #32
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    Some dirtbag poster on the other thread that was locked last week was saying the victim had previous convictions. I am not surprised to see that it was Donohoe himself who had convictions including arson and was out on bail. Donohoe is an absolute scumbag who deserves every second of this sentence.


  • #33
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Can you be sure your own fear pride and temper might not possibly end you up in serious bother? I can't.

    Some of the righteous indignation here makes me want to spit

    You could ask the same thing about any story in which somebody winds up dead. It doesn't mean that people can't have an opinion on it, and the fact is that the guy unlawfully killed another person.

    You dress it up as something which it isn't. Stick to the facts. It was determined that neither Donohue or the kid were in any immediate danger after both vehicles had stopped. Donohue got out of his car first and started to beat at the windows of Bates' car. Witnesses say that Bates remained in the car until this point. When he did exit the vehicle, Donohue hit him a few times on the head and ended up on the ground and apparently unconscious. Donohue continued to viciously beat the man while he was laying on the ground.

    Did he go to Gardai to report what had happened afterwards? No, he didn't. And when he was finally arrested he told the Gardai that he hoped the guy would die.

    It's not righteous indignation to call the guy a complete idiot and a scumbag.. he himself made sure that that's how people would see him.


  • #34
    Lollers
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Lollers


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    I think its the opposite, because of the downturn there are less vehicles on the road (especially early in the morning time) and much better roads than there were five-ten years ago. No more five-mile tail backs behind tractors on the drive between Cork-Dublin, Galway-Cork etc.

    You might be right, I deleted my post cause it was a bit off topic.


  • #35
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    initially I though he was a scumbag but when I read the media reports on the trial I don't see what he did that was wrong. he was defending child from a drunken manic who was threatening them with his jeep.

    Now he went overboard beating him on the ground in the head but he didn't ask to be in that position.
    I don't think he should have faced a charge at all.
    To hear the "victims" family on radio was sickening - their relative was the agressor in this act - he was no victim


    from independant.ie

    Shortly afterwards, Mr Bates overtook Donohoe's Toyota Rav 4 and mounted a central island before cutting in on the Dublin man, who later claimed he feared he was going to be rammed off the road.

    grounds for self defence (imo) esp with the kid in the car.


  • #36
    Raging_Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    King of Kings wrote: »

    grounds for self defence (imo) esp with the kid in the car.

    Sure, that might be true the way you want it to be.

    Fact is, our scumbag with a penchant for arson got out of the car, got the hurley, and started smashing the drunk's car window for a couple of minutes. Drunk got out, with hands over his head, and got his head caved in.

    I believe that people should be allowed to legitimately defend themselves. This is not one of those cases.


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  • #37
    Reg'stoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭Reg'stoy


    the groutch wrote: »
    if you're a Garda you get away with a fine :mad:

    Care to expand or are you just talking through your hole.


  • #38
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    the groutch wrote: »
    if you're a Garda you get away with a fine :mad:
    WTF are you on about?:confused:


  • #39
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Youre driving along with kids in the car. You pull away a bit casually from a junction, some punter doesnt care for your driving style and lets you know it. Not only that he keeps it up and tails you eventually cutting you off and forcing you to stop. You face off, you realised he's pissed and gets abusive. Now a number of things could develop from here....

    Can you say honestly you'd take his ****e and walk away? Can you be sure your own fear pride and temper might not possibly end you up in serious bother? I can't.

    Some of the righteous indignation here makes me want to spit

    I'm pretty sure I wouldn't beat the other driver to death with a hurley in front of my kids, yeah.


  • #40
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Raging_Ninja wrote: »
    Sure, that might be true the way you want it to be.

    Fact is, our scumbag with a penchant for arson got out of the car, got the hurley, and started smashing the drunk's car window for a couple of minutes. Drunk got out, with hands over his head, and got his head caved in.

    I believe that people should be allowed to legitimately defend themselves. This is not one of those cases.

    The way I want it to be?
    I'd rather nobody died. But it's the way I see it after reading the court case in the papers.


    penchant for arson (nice turn of pharse btw) shouldn't prevent him defending his family with vigour.


  • #41
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    At the same court an old farmer who's in a home and has parkinson's disease gets life for killing his brother in a dispute over where their mother was to be buried.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0423/farmer-gets-life-sentence-for-murdering-brother.html



    We have a funny system here, there's no doubt.


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  • #42
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    King of Kings wrote: »
    The way I want it to be?
    I'd rather nobody died. But it's the way I see it after reading the court case in the papers.


    penchant for arson (nice turn of pharse btw) shouldn't prevent him defending his family with vigour.
    At no point was his family threatened by the victim, he was defending nobody, he is just a prick with a history of criminality.
    Your posts say a lot about you!


  • #43
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭deandean


    Far too long a sentence.

    It'll be reduced to 5 or 6 years on appeal when consideration is given to the actions of the (unfortunate) deceased.

    I reckon yer man will spend 4 or 5 yrs in jail for this.

    I.M.O. of course.


  • #44
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    deandean wrote: »
    Far too long a sentence.

    It'll be reduced to 5 or 6 years on appeal when consideration is given to the actions of the (unfortunate) deceased.

    I reckon yer man will spend 4 or 5 yrs in jail for this.

    I.M.O. of course.
    Not a chance, convicted aronist on bail beats a man to death and tells the Gardai he hoped the man died, if he appeals they will probable (properly) increase his sentence.


  • #45
    King of Kings
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    lividduck wrote: »
    At no point was his family threatened by the victim, he was defending nobody, he is just a prick with a history of criminality.
    Your posts say a lot about you!

    They sure do say a lot about me.

    I believe you should be able to defend your family without sanction.


  • #46
    Raging_Ninja
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    King of Kings wrote: »
    They sure do say a lot about me.

    I believe you should be able to defend your family without sanction.

    He wasn't defending his family.

    At an earlier point words had been exchanged, and then they parted and continued driving.

    Drunk does an idiot thing and cuts off scumbag.

    Scumbag gets out of the car, gets the hurley from the boot and starts attacking the car.

    Drunk gets out of car after a couple of minutes hands submissively over his head and gets his head beaten in.

    Self defense does not come into this.


  • #47
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    King of Kings wrote: »
    They sure do say a lot about me.

    I believe you should be able to defend your family without sanction.

    He wasn't defending his family though. He never even suggested that it's why he reacted in such a way. If he honestly believed that he was only defending his family, then why didn't he surrender himself to Gardai after the incident, and why did he tell them that he hoped the guy would die? (even though he no longer posed a threat at that stage).

    You're welcome to your opinions on how far people should be allowed to go in order to protect themselves, but how can you possibly apply that in Donohue's instance, knowing what you do about his history and the details of the case?


  • #48
    greendom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,382 ✭✭✭✭greendom


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Youre driving along with kids in the car. You pull away a bit casually from a junction, some punter doesnt care for your driving style and lets you know it. Not only that he keeps it up and tails you eventually cutting you off and forcing you to stop. You face off, you realised he's pissed and gets abusive. Now a number of things could develop from here....

    Can you say honestly you'd take his ****e and walk away? Can you be sure your own fear pride and temper might not possibly end you up in serious bother? I can't.

    Some of the righteous indignation here makes me want to spit

    I think most of the righteous indignation on this thread is contained in this post


  • #49
    gurramok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    lividduck wrote: »
    Not a chance, convicted aronist on bail beats a man to death and tells the Gardai he hoped the man died, if he appeals they will probable (properly) increase his sentence.

    Do you have a link to where had had previous? Its not in the RTE or Irish Times, think it was over a domestic.

    By the way, the woman who rammed the elderly man to death in Mulhuddart got 6 years, perhaps a car is less of a lethal weapon than a hurley!


  • #50
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭somefeen


    Just don't bother getting outta the car in situations like this is my motto. If some one forces you to stop, lock the doors and just sit there until they **** off. If they start bating the car, drive over them in self defence......


  • #51
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Another way of looking at things.

    Maybe the guy with the hurley saved more innocent lives by killing the drunk driver there and then. Possibly, had the drunk driver not been in this altercation, maybe he would have killed innocent people due to his drunken driving.

    A hero medal for the guy with the hurley maybe?


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  • #52
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Another way of looking at things.

    Maybe the guy with the hurley saved more innocent lives by killing the drunk driver there and then. Possibly, had the drunk driver not been in this altercation, maybe he would have killed innocent people due to his drunken driving.

    A hero medal for the guy with the hurley maybe?

    Too speculative. By extension of that logic, do you think a law allowing people to beat drunk drivers to death should be brought in?


  • #53
    tfitzgerald
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    The sentence is way too harsh in my opinion . He should have got 12/18 months at the most


  • #54
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Motorist wrote: »
    Too speculative. By extension of that logic, do you think a law allowing people to beat drunk drivers to death should be brought in?


    No, I don't think a law allowing people to beat drunk drivers to death should be brought in. Fcuk no.

    All I am saying is that this beating to death could have been a blessing in disguise for some innocent motorist and their family who may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and had their lives fcuked up by a prick of a drunk driver.

    Speculative, yes. Possible, yes.


  • #55
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    King of Kings wrote: »
    initially I though he was a scumbag but when I read the media reports on the trial I don't see what he did that was wrong. he was defending child from a drunken manic who was threatening them with his jeep.

    Did he even know that there was a child in the car? And why not get the guys reg and report it to the police instead of going ballistic with a hurley and beating him to death? Once the guy is on the ground he's not presenting much of a threat so why continue to cave his head in?


  • #56
    Motorist
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    No, I don't think a law allowing people to beat drunk drivers to death should be brought in. Fcuk no.

    All I am saying is that this beating to death could have been a blessing in disguise for some innocent motorist and their family who may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and had their lives fcuked up by a prick of a drunk driver..

    The remote chance of that speculative prevention having occurred is far, far outweighed by the harsh reality that a man's life was brutally taken, another's has been ruined and two families have been devastated.


  • #57
    Jimoslimos
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    King of Kings wrote: »
    initially I though he was a scumbag but when I read the media reports on the trial I don't see what he did that was wrong. he was defending child from a drunken manic who was threatening them with his jeep.
    .........
    grounds for self defence (imo) esp with the kid in the car.
    Since when does having a child give you special dispensation to kill?


  • #58
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The baby gives you primal instinct like. Ya cant be done for primal instinct. This one time I had a baby and its mother locked in the boot and some fcukin' cop rammed the car from behind so I stopped and shot him 7 times in the face.. just to protect the baby like ya know.

    Having a baby in the boot is almost as useful as having a hurley in the boot.


  • #59
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Raging_Ninja wrote: »
    He wasn't defending his family.

    I can't find the link but during the court procedings it was said that the guy that died said he'd throw the other guy's kid in the river.

    I've an 8 year old, I'd have beat him to an inch of his life in pure fury. I'd be wrong to do it, but my word, I'd have taken him out. Not killed him, but wouldn't care either.


  • #60
    Bruthal
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    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Another way of looking at things.

    Maybe the guy with the hurley saved more innocent lives by killing the drunk driver there and then. Possibly, had the drunk driver not been in this altercation, maybe he would have killed innocent people due to his drunken driving.

    A hero medal for the guy with the hurley maybe?
    Yes get out there and batter all drunk drivers to death.

    Its more likely locking up the roadside hurler has saved some anyway.


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  • #61
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    If he was defending his kid it's completely backfired as he is now going to miss a big chunk of his formative years.


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