Thanking 'god' but not the medical staff

Father Damo · 22-04-2012 12:30PM

Leeg17 wrote: »

Tone it down Father Damo

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

krudler · 22-04-2012 12:33PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

atheism isnt a belief, seriously how many times must people point this out to you, its a lack of one.

Leeg17 · 22-04-2012 12:35PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

Because you're implying that because of their atheist "beliefs" people are of low intellect.

By all means have a discussion but leave out the small digs

Logical Fallacy · 22-04-2012 12:38PM

Leeg17 wrote: »

Because you're implying that because of their atheist "beliefs" people are of low intellect.

By all means have a discussion but leave out the small digs

In fairness to him he said "militant atheists", who really are a bunch of morons.

lividduck · 22-04-2012 12:40PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

In fairness to him he said "militant atheists", who really are a bunch of morons.

From his posts he appears to consider declaring that you are athiest as a militant act in itself.

Father Damo · 22-04-2012 12:42PM

Leeg17 wrote: »

Because you're implying that because of their atheist "beliefs" people are of low intellect.

I am not. I dont regard myself as an athiest. I also dont know if I believe in a god or not. I dont give it any thought. Mainly because it has as much to do with my everyday life as my belief in aliens or ghosts.

I think the fact that the OP completely jumped the gun and stated that while Muamba thanked god he seemed to have little or no belief that modern medicine had anything to do with his recovery, pretty much supports my view that the OP has made an utterly retarded opening comment fueled by his trend setting beliefs.

lividduck · 22-04-2012 12:49PM

Father Damo wrote: »

I am not. I dont regard myself as an athiest. I also dont know if I believe in a god or not. I dont give it any thought. Mainly because it has as much to do with my everyday life as my belief in aliens or ghosts.

I think the fact that the OP completely jumped the gun and stated that while Muamba thanked god he seemed to have little or no belief that modern medicine had anything to do with his recovery, pretty much supports my view that the OP has made an utterly retarded opening comment fueled by his trend setting beliefs.

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.Your words Damo, your words!

Father Damo · 22-04-2012 12:52PM

lividduck wrote: »

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.Your words Damo, your words!

Are you honestly stating that you think Scientology believers are people who are mentally sound?

Let me break it down

I regard Tom Cruise as retarded

I regard John Travolta as retarded

I regard the late Isacc Hayes as having been retarded

I regard Mel Gibson as a fcuking right wing Catholic nutjob with violent tendencies....but I dont regard him as clinically retarded or of low intellect.

lividduck · 22-04-2012 12:54PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Are you honestly stating that you think Scientology are people who are mentally sound?

As an athiest I believe I am not only mentally sound but I do not consider myself to be either easily led or of low intellect.

Mint Sauce · 22-04-2012 12:57PM

Erm. OP.

"I would like to take this opportunity to pay tribute to every single member of staff who played a part in my care."

"Their dedication, professionalism and expertise is simply amazing and I will forever be in their debt. I also wish to say thank you to all the many well-wishers who have sent thousands of messages of support."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17733022

My name is URL · 22-04-2012 12:59PM

Even if he did only than 'God', and not the doctors involved. Why would you or anybody else care?

I doubt the doctors would be too upset by it.. all they care about is treating the patient as best they can, and getting them back on their feet. If having a belief in a deity helps the person to recover then the doctors wouldn't be insulted by it, they'd most likely welcome it.

Some of the things that people react to here are bizarre. In a story like this there is no need to be annoyed or upset by what the person involved says, believes or thanks.

UglyBolloxFace · 22-04-2012 01:13PM

Well I have certainly been put in my place - a lesson learned - research more before jumping to accusations. At least I hold my hand up and admit it.

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

But to you Damo - "militant atheism"? Would you ever ****ing cop on to yourself. "Militant"? Are you actually serious?

UglyBolloxFace · 22-04-2012 01:16PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

First of all, as others have pointed out, atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of one. And secondly, you are saying that atheists are "people of low intellect"? Yeah okay, those who believe in science, over a man who is his own father and also happens to be a spirit and ghost, are the ones lacking in intellect :rolleyes:

Dave! · 22-04-2012 01:18PM

Anti-atheism is the new anti-Catholicism

Micky Dolenz · 22-04-2012 01:18PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

First of all, as others have pointed out, atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of one. And secondly, you are saying that atheists are "people of low intellect"? Yeah okay, those who believe in science, over a man who is his own father and also happens to be a spirit and ghost, are the ones lacking in intellect :rolleyes:

So to refute a point you decide to insult the "other" side.

The irony.

Kiera · 22-04-2012 01:18PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Well I have certainly been put in my place - a lesson learned - research more before jumping to accusations. At least I hold my hand up and admit it.

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

But to you Damo - "militant atheism"? Would you ever ****ing cop on to yourself. "Militant"? Are you actually serious?

Now this thread has got potential

oppenheimer1 · 22-04-2012 01:19PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Well I have certainly been put in my place - a lesson learned - research more before jumping to accusations. At least I hold my hand up and admit it.

But to you Damo - "militant atheism"? Would you ever ****ing cop on to yourself. "Militant"? Are you actually serious?

Research? Well you could at least read the entire article you quote and not selectively quote from it.

You were being disingenuous and got caught out.

UglyBolloxFace · 22-04-2012 01:20PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

So to refute a point you decide to insult the "other" side.

The irony.

I'm not refuting anything. It's called an opinion. And Damo is entitled to his just as much as I am entitled to mine.

UglyBolloxFace · 22-04-2012 01:20PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Research? Well you could at least read the entire article you quote and not selectively quote from it.

You were being disingenuous and got caught out.

And I've admitted to that.

Cork24 · 22-04-2012 01:21PM

I just hate Trolls

EuropeanSon · 22-04-2012 01:29PM

I think the description of "easily led", as somebody put it, could be considerably more easily argued to apply to one who follows the beliefs of the majority despite there being no evidence or reasonable basis for their assertions, and the frankly ridiculously implausible nature of many of their claims. Just a thought.

Low intelligence is not exclusive to any particular belief system, obviously, as Father Damo and the OP have so convincingly shown.

On the issue of thanking god after a very unlikely escape from what seemed to be imminent death, I think that if one holds strong religious belief (which for the record, I don't, I am an atheist), given the assumption implicit to that that god or gods has or have influence over major events in ones life, it would, frankly, be quite rude not to thank him/her/it/them. The OP's purpose, then, would have been equally served by an "Isn't religion stoopid??!!" thread. :rolleyes:

Duggys Housemate · 22-04-2012 01:32PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Father Damo wrote: »

Why?

I regard militant atheism like Scientology. A joke of a belief for easily led people of low intellect.

I regard being a religious catholic as....I dont know really, given the fact that in 12 years of apparent Catholic run school education, a baptism, a communion, and a confirmation, I was educated absolutely fcuk all as regards the tenets of Catholic belief.

First of all, as others have pointed out, atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of one. And secondly, you are saying that atheists are "people of low intellect"? Yeah okay, those who believe in science, over a man who is his own father and also happens to be a spirit and ghost, are the ones lacking in intellect :rolleyes:

Who said anything about science. I've met atheists who were Druids, into spiritualism, believed in ghosts and/or alien visitations or were cult followers of Rand, Marx or Freud. Historically, on the other hand a lot of science was produced by Christians although their Christianity is rarely mentioned in the new Atheist historical narrative.

( try find a reference to Maxwell being a presbyter)

Modern atheists are of average intelligence, no more no less.

marty1985 · 22-04-2012 01:35PM

Nice thread OP.

krudler wrote: »

atheism isnt a belief, seriously how many times must people point this out to you, its a lack of one.

Ah, the old "lack of belief" chestnut. And when I say old, I mean relatively new.

This was introduced by Anthony Flew in his book The Presumption of Atheism.

Anthony Flew wrote: »

The word 'atheism', however, has in this contention to be construed unusually. Whereas nowadays the usual meaning of 'atheist' in English is 'someone who asserts that there is no such being as God', I want the word to be understood not positively but negatively.

It's a useful debating trick, because it's all to do with burden of proof.

My point is just that dictionaries exist to reflect common usage and dictionaries still go with the traditional meaning of atheism as either a positive belief, or a positive disbelief, but I am yet to see one that defines it as a passive lack of belief. This might change, considering how successful New Atheism has been among young people, especially online. And yes, people are free to identify anyway they wish (see the census, for example) and to give meaning to the terms that describe them. But, getting annoyed at people for following the still common and traditional usage of the word is pointless.

The introduction of this new interpretation of the word 'atheism' may appear to be a piece of perverse Humpty-Dumptyism*, going arbitrarily against established common usage.

*

Lewis Carroll in Through The Looking Glass wrote: »

"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument"', Alice objected.
"When I use a word". Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is", said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

xsiborg · 22-04-2012 01:36PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

First of all, as others have pointed out, atheism is not a belief, it is a lack of one. And secondly, you are saying that atheists are "people of low intellect"? Yeah okay, those who believe in science, over a man who is his own father and also happens to be a spirit and ghost, are the ones lacking in intellect :rolleyes:

do you believe in aliens UBF, or do you believe we are alone in what we know as our universe? im catholic, but im not so huberous as to believe we are alone either, i can separate science and scientific fact from my faith, they don't need to be intertwined. some of the more modern militant atheists fail to make that distinction or understand that it's actually possible. as i said in another thread- human beings and their thought processes are not so black and white as some people think or would have you believe.

lividduck · 22-04-2012 01:39PM

xsiborg wrote: »

do you believe in aliens UBF, or do you believe we are alone in what we know as our universe? im catholic, but im not so huberous as to believe we are alone either, i can separate science and scientific fact from my faith, they don't need to be intertwined. some of the more modern militant atheists fail to make that distinction or understand that it's actually possible. as i said in another thread- human beings and their thought processes are not so black and white as some people think or would have you believe.

I'm not being a smartass but wtf is a Militant Athiest?

krudler · 22-04-2012 01:40PM

Father Damo wrote: »

Are you honestly stating that you think Scientology believers are people who are mentally sound?

Let me break it down

I regard Tom Cruise as retarded

I regard John Travolta as retarded

I regard the late Isacc Hayes as having been retarded

I regard Mel Gibson as a fcuking right wing Catholic nutjob with violent tendencies....but I dont regard him as clinically retarded or of low intellect.

whats the difference? they all believe in something they can't prove exists, one is seen as a cult, one started out as a cult. the only difference between a cult and a religion is tenure and member numbers.

marty1985 · 22-04-2012 01:43PM

There's a good book called The Year Of Living Biblically. A New Yorker follows all the Old Testament rules for a year. It's pretty funny. He's a non-believer but reflects on many of the beliefs and rituals, for example, how he feels better and more humble for thanking God for each meal he eats. I have no problem with religious people being grateful to God for their food. And I definitely have no problem with religious people being grateful to God for surviving after their heart effectively stopped for such a long time.

What bugs the OP and many others, I think, is that Muamba has committed a secular sin by not keeping his religious faith locked up in a cupboard at home where nobody can see it. God knows how your heart must sink when you see Drogba blessing himself during a match against Barcelona, live on TV across the world, or Kaka removing his shirt to display his I Belong To Jesus t-shirt, etc etc.

Duggys Housemate · 22-04-2012 01:48PM

lividduck wrote: »

xsiborg wrote: »

do you believe in aliens UBF, or do you believe we are alone in what we know as our universe? im catholic, but im not so huberous as to believe we are alone either, i can separate science and scientific fact from my faith, they don't need to be intertwined. some of the more modern militant atheists fail to make that distinction or understand that it's actually possible. as i said in another thread- human beings and their thought processes are not so black and white as some people think or would have you believe.

I'm not being a smartass but wtf is a Militant Athiest?

Someone who is militant about his atheism. Like getting upset at a fairly benign use of language ( thank God)

dixiefly · 22-04-2012 01:51PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

This pisses me off.

Muamba, the footballer who collapses on the football pitch, was struck with a heart attack. His heart stopped beating naturally for over 78 minutes, and it was 'a miracle' that he did not have brain damage.

But the thing is, instead of thanking the medical staff who actually saved his life, he thanks an imaginary friend in the sky. How disrespectful can you get to the medical staff? They are in the most under-appreciated profession anyway without these loons disregarding them like this.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gamBDX-WS1VUzcevQbV-FtKBL2og?docId=N0461171335075052442A

Get your facts right before you go off on a rant. I saw the report on him leaving hospital and he thanked the staff and 2 doctors in particular......and there was a photo of him with 2 of them.

Did you actually check the reports before going on the rant or are you basing it on pub talk?

marty1985 · 22-04-2012 01:52PM

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

But the thing is, instead of thanking the medical staff who actually saved his life, he thanks an imaginary friend in the sky. How disrespectful can you get to the medical staff? They are in the most under-appreciated profession anyway without these loons disregarding them like this.

What a horrible post.

Thanking 'god' but not the medical staff

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