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Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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  • #662
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Wile E. Coyote wrote: »
    I'm detecting a note of sarcasm in ones post.

    Well at least I hope I am.

    That's what I thought but the thanking of a more sympathetic post kind of got me wondering.


  • #663
    dark crystal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Millicent wrote: »
    It's not schadenfreude. It's a couple with a portfolio of eighteen properties who have not paid their mortgage and have been illegally squatting in a €3.5 million home in Killiney for two years. That means that it has been more than two years since they paid their mortgage. Also, comparing themselves to people who were evicted in the Famine is quite rightly sticking in a lot of people's craws.

    I'm not defending the non-payment. I honestly haven't a clue why they stayed in a home they couldn't afford for so long without working something out with the bank. Like I said, those questions haven't really been answered by either side.

    You're right about the famine eviction analogy - it's a silly comparison. However, I think he was talking about the manner in which it was conducted, not so much comparing himself to a starving peasant!

    Sh!t happens to people, rich and poor. There is most definitely a strong whiff of schadenfreude off this thread, though. Just my opinion.


  • #664
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    Millicent wrote: »
    I can't tell if you're serious or not. If you are, why would anyone have sympathy for someone who is trying to paint himself as a victim despite being the composer of his own downfall?

    i have little sympathy for them.
    they're not homeless. let them move into one of their 18 other properties ffs!

    "tell me see dear, shall we reside in Sth. County Dublin, or Clontarf perhaps? How would D6 appeal to you dearest?":rolleyes:


  • #665
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    It has to be said though lads...

    Only in Ireland could we find a way to begrudge the homeless.


  • #666
    CiaranC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    leggo wrote: »
    It has to be said though lads...

    Only in Ireland could we find a way to begrudge the homeless.

    They have 17 other properties


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  • #667
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Deleted User wrote: »
    but i question the fact the bank can get 6 - 7 garda out there for that, and i cant get the garda to my house after a robbery.

    Maybe you should arrange the robbery a few days in advance and coordinate with the Gardai.


  • #668
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'm not defending the non-payment. I honestly haven't a clue why they stayed in a home they couldn't afford for so long without working something out with the bank. Like I said, those questions haven't really been answered by either side.

    You're right about the famine eviction analogy - it's a silly comparison. However, I think he was talking about the manner in which it was conducted, not so much comparing himself to a starving peasant!

    Sh!t happens to people, rich and poor. There is most definitely a strong whiff of schadenfreude off this thread, though. Just my opinion.

    I watched that whole video and while it's not a nice situation, nobody seemed to treat them in any way harshly or less than professionally. They could have avoided the whole confrontation if not for their stubbornness or overblown sense of entitlement.


  • #669
    anthonyos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭anthonyos


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't give a fcuk what the details behind it are. Kicking OAPs out of their home is wrong regardless of any semantics.

    f##k you the man should burnt


  • #670
    Unrealistic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    true wrote: »
    I'm sur the elderly couple are sorry they ever sold their business in Germany and came back to - and investyed in - this little **** of a country which the banks, government and regulator screwed up.
    You forgot the builders, developers and people who bought overpriced houses and apartments to in their rush to become mini-property moguls. They were also major contributors the screwing up the country. Oh, wait, don't this couple fit into one of those categories? Maybe they contributed to the sorry state the country is in as well as being victims of it?


  • #671
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    leggo wrote: »
    It has to be said though lads...

    Only in Ireland could we find a way to begrudge the homeless.

    You don't qualify as homeless if you have eighteen more homes.


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  • #672
    Unrealistic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think the couple are at fault in this, but i question the fact the bank can get 6 - 7 garda out there for that, and i cant get the garda to my house after a robbery.

    1) It wasn't the bank who was there to carry out the eviction. It was bailiffs from the Sheriff's office. They are officers of the court.
    2) The Kellys where the ones who called the Gardai.


  • #673
    Unrealistic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    K-9 wrote: »
    Enough bull.

    Say Anglo was let go, what do you think would have happened this guy?
    If Anglo was let go the receiver would have sold on the loans to some vulture fund who wouldn't have hung around for 4 years. They would have been out on their arses long ago.


  • #674
    Unrealistic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭Unrealistic


    dark crystal wrote: »
    They bought a nice home to live in - no crime in that. If the banks came to the conclusion they were able to afford that mortgage, they must shoulder some of the blame there.
    The banks (or in this case the taxpayer) are shouldering a whole lot of the blame. They have let these people live here rent free for on or about four years (worth €400-€500k?). The house will sell for probably about half of the outstanding loan amount and the bank will struggle recoup the difference from the couple so that's another €1m hit. How much more sharing do you want?


  • #675
    Millicent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    flynnlives wrote: »


    via http://www.broadsheet.ie/2012/04/18/the-eviction-in-killiney-new-video/

    quite distressing video towards the end.

    Not sure of the details.

    There is something rotten in the state of Ireland!!

    OP, your first initial wouldn't be P as in Padraig, would it?


  • #676
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    Just saw that and also that they plan to stay in the tent till they are allowed to move back into the house.

    The support is not on their side. Wonder how long they will stick it in the tent?

    Probably till someone buys the house and threatens to run them over with the moving van. :)
    leggo wrote: »
    It has to be said though lads...

    Only in Ireland could we find a way to begrudge the homeless.

    Dont you have to not have a home to be homeless?
    Although it's comeign down to the wire now, only 18 more evictions and these poor people could have no houses left.


  • #677
    Joe10000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭Joe10000


    They own 28 properties according to one report this morning. My guess is they were playing brinkmanship with the bank looking for a write down.


  • #678
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    true wrote: »
    its time the bankers, the government, and the regulator took a bit of pain. They are the ones who made the mess. Only in banana republics are such people paid more than their equivalents in first world countries. The bankers, the government, and the regulator are the reason the market is down 70% and the economy totally f****d.
    The great thing about the internet is how even those people who don't have a clue about anything and don't seem to have been watching the news for the last 5 years have a way to get their views across just like everyone else.


  • #679
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,613 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    I am absolutely delighted this happened, Those who think they're untouchable finally getting a bit of real life

    Not pay their mortgage for 2 years and expect nothing to happen becasue their old? Cop on.


  • #680
    geeky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭geeky


    What this episode shows, more than anything, is how ill-informed our breaking news journalists are.

    Anyone who knows anything about personal finance could tell you that the 'we're homeless now' line just wasn't true*, but the first reports swallowed the line whole. It took Colm Keena - who's usually better occupied parsing the truth of tribunal testimony and investigating major moguls - to actually uncover how much property this pair are sitting on.



    *Landlords have a legal right to take over a property if they or a family member need to live in it.


  • #681
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    geeky wrote: »
    What this episode shows, more than anything, is how ill-informed our breaking news journalists are.

    Anyone who knows anything about personal finance could tell you that the 'we're homeless now' line just wasn't true*, but the first reports swallowed the line whole. It took Colm Keena - who's usually better occupied parsing the truth of tribunal testimony and investigating major moguls - to actually uncover how much property this pair are sitting on.



    *Landlords have a legal right to take over a property if they or a family member need to live in it.

    Have you got a link for how many properties this pair have?


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  • #682
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    I'm just stunned by the level of support these leeches enjoy. Personally, I think the only fair solution is for everybody who is not paying their mortgage to lose ownership - or at least majority ownership - of the property they live in. Otherwise we will have a two-tier social welfare system where the some people rent council houses from the state and will never own them, while others will pay a fraction of the market rent towards their mortgages and continue to own them, stopping those in council houses and renters from ever getting a chance to own at a reasonable price.

    Anyway, that's for another thread. But the reaction of the general public to this particular repossession makes me think the country is even more f*cked than I feared. If you didn't buy a property before 2007, it looks like you are screwed. Sorry guys.


  • #683
    Fulton Crown
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭Fulton Crown


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Some amount of schadenfreude going on in this thread!

    As far as I can see, this couple invested in property - something many people did and still do all over the world. I presume they've paid their fair share of tax along the way too.

    They bought a nice home to live in - no crime in that. If the banks came to the conclusion they were able to afford that mortgage, they must shoulder some of the blame there. Hindsight is 50 50....if people knew a recession was going to hit, I'm sure many of these mortgages wouldn't have been taken out.

    Yes, I agree not paying their mortgage for over two years is asking for trouble and I can't see why they couldn't work something out with the bank, or sell some of their other properties (I don't think there's been a clear answer to that question yet), but what I find kinda distasteful is the 'Fukc the rich basterds, I'm delighted to see them sleeping in a tent on the street' mentality.

    We're all great economists after the fact, but I wouldn't take too much pleasure on seeing anyone evicted from their homes.

    Glad you agree that not paying the mortgage for two years is "asking for trouble".

    Well observed Sherlock !

    I think the point you are missing is that most posters rightly see these old farts as greedy grasping people who wanted to hang on to their luxury home at taxpayers expense.

    I cannot believe that some solution could not have been found if the couple were willing to adjust their lifestyles.

    My read is that our bank got completely p1ssed off with them and concluded that eviction was the only language they would understand.

    The capacity for brass neck never ceases to amaze me ...remember the woman in Tallaght who was looking for Social Welfare to pay the 10,000 euro funeral for her father.

    Jeeze !


  • #684
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    I wish people would learn the facts before contributing. It's not that they haven't paid their mortgage for 2 years: a repossession order was granted 2 years ago, so it wasn't even theirs to pay a mortgage on. And the repossession order that was granted 2 years ago was granted presumably because they hadn't paid their mortgage for the PREVIOUS couple of years.

    So they probably haven't paid a cent of rent or mortgage to live for about 4 years in a 5 bedroom mansion in a gated community in Killiney.


  • #685
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    So they probably haven't paid a cent of rent or mortgage to live for about 4 years in a 5 bedroom mansion in a gated community in Killiney.

    Correct Monty. I too am amazed at the amount of public sympathy for these people. An eviction happens after every other possible avenue to accommodate repayment has been explored.


  • #686
    omahaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭omahaid


    My sympathy is waning slightly

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969008.html

    Some quotes from that article

    "The files, in which the couple’s surname is registered as both Kelly and O’Kelly, indicate that they bought 21 properties during the 1990s and the last decade, and remortgaged many of them with Permanent TSB in 2007 and 2008."

    "There are only three instances on the registry files of Dublin apartments being sold by the couple. "

    So they are far from homeless what with having all the homes and all.

    And from http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969030.html

    We have "The couple last made a mortgage payment on the house in 2009."

    Surely it makes sense for them to live within their means. Why live in a house you can't pay for when you own so many others...?


  • #687
    Chairman Meow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    omahaid wrote: »
    My sympathy is waning slightly

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969008.html

    Some quotes from that article

    "The files, in which the couple’s surname is registered as both Kelly and O’Kelly, indicate that they bought 21 properties during the 1990s and the last decade, and remortgaged many of them with Permanent TSB in 2007 and 2008."

    "There are only three instances on the registry files of Dublin apartments being sold by the couple. "

    So they are far from homeless what with having all the homes and all.

    And from http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969030.html

    We have "The couple last made a mortgage payment on the house in 2009."

    Surely it makes sense for them to live within their means. Why live in a house you can't pay for when you own so many others...?

    Exactly, the ****ers own more houses than i ever will, and theyre looking for sympathy because they happened to get kicked out of the biggest, fanciest one? Oh man, my heart bleeds for them. If i had any extra space in my little 1 bed apartment i somehow manage to pay rent for every month without fail, id let them stay.

    edit

    Also, if hes a landlord, leasing at least 18 properties (according to the independent), surely you can afford your own bloody rent?! This guy is a ****ing chancer.


  • #688
    Ste05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    gatecrash wrote: »
    Have you got a link for how many properties this pair have?
    Here ya go... http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/0420/1224314969008.html

    Or as above. :pac:


  • #689
    leggo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,061 ✭✭✭leggo


    Millicent wrote: »
    You don't qualify as homeless if you have eighteen more homes.

    Oh right. It's grand to begrudge them then. In fact, let's burn one of their homes down!


  • #690
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    this thing has really taken off:D...its reminicent of saipan roy keane & mick mccarthy...its dividing the country straight down the middle

    personally speaking - i've got no sympathy, its a publicity stunt by that ol'fella did you hear him on the video..."are you filming this" its obvious he's milking it for all its worth


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  • #691
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    leggo wrote: »
    Oh right. It's grand to begrudge them then. In fact, let's burn one of their homes down!
    Yes, because applauding justice is "begrudgerey". :rolleyes:


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