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Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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  • #602
    Milk & Honey
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,950 ✭✭✭Milk & Honey


    steve9859 wrote: »
    You can break an assured shorthold tenancy agreement , with appropriate notice, if you want to move into the place as your primary residence. But in any case, the guy had two years...with all the property he had that's more than enough time to arrange alternatives....unless of course, he just fancied staying in his expensive pad

    What is an "assured shorthold tenancy" agreement? There is no such thing in this jurisdiction.


  • #603
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    thingamajig wrote: »
    It'll be interesting when a journo gets a hold of this story and runs with it, doing some background into the evicted couple. Maybe he was the kindest, most sympathetic, understanding landlord in Dublin, God knows how many of his tenants were allowed overrun their rent by over two years. As someone said earlier it was the sheriff that evicted them and that only occurs after many Court hearings and an order signed by a Judge.
    I'm sympathetic to their plight on age grounds only though. But I didn't see him being assaulted by the Bailiff's just jostled and manoeuvred out of the house reasonably enough. That's why the Gardai were there to make sure that no one got too rough.

    I'm sure they are lined up for the Late Late show on friday,


  • #604
    Milk & Honey
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    Cedrus wrote: »
    Any residential tenancy agreement can be terminated with due notice if the property is required for the landlord or their family's use.

    Only if provided for in the agreement. look at section 58 of the residential tenancies Act.


  • #605
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Justice for the individual wrote: »
    They got the money from thin air! If you can educate me as to where the Anglo Irish, etc., got the money from, fine.
    The money markets. HTH.


  • #606
    woodoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Astra said on TV3 news there they never thought this would happen in Ireland.

    They just seemed to think they would get away with not paying and getting to stay in their mansion.


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  • #607
    Milk & Honey
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    woodoo wrote: »
    Astra said on TV3 news there they never thought this would happen in Ireland.

    They just seemed to think they would get away with not paying and getting to stay in their mansion.

    Well now they know different!


  • #608
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    woodoo wrote: »
    Astra said on TV3 news there they never thought this would happen in Ireland.

    They just seemed to think they would get away with not paying and getting to stay in their mansion.

    Just saw that and also that they plan to stay in the tent till they are allowed to move back into the house.

    The support is not on their side. Wonder how long they will stick it in the tent?


  • #609
    steve9859
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    Milk & Honey wrote: »
    steve9859 wrote: »
    You can break an assured shorthold tenancy agreement , with appropriate notice, if you want to move into the place as your primary residence. But in any case, the guy had two years...with all the property he had that's more than enough time to arrange alternatives....unless of course, he just fancied staying in his expensive pad

    What is an "assured shorthold tenancy" agreement? There is no such thing in this jurisdiction.

    Yes there is. Tenant is only protected for first 6 months. Best explained on let.ie

    Anyway, it's an aside. The guy had 2 years to sort it out...but he fancied staying in his mansion


  • #610
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    Just saw on the news there they're camping outside the house. Anyone in the neighbourhood fancy heading down and unpegging it on them while they sleep? Repeatedly.
    I've been drinking, so can't drive down, otherwise I'd do it myself! :D
    Muppets.


  • #611
    sunflower27
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    I am guessing they will stick it 2 weeks.... or less if the story drops off the news.


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  • #612
    Milk & Honey
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    steve9859 wrote: »
    Yes there is. Tenant is only protected for first 6 months. Best explained on let.ie


    That article on "assured shorthold tenancy" is based on English law." It is absolute bull**** as far as tenancies in this jurisdiction are concerned.


  • #613
    Milk & Honey
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    kenmc wrote: »
    Just saw on the news there they're camping outside the house. Anyone in the neighbourhood fancy heading down and unpegging it on them while they sleep? Repeatedly.
    I've been drinking, so can't drive down, otherwise I'd do it myself! :D
    Muppets.

    If they are camping illegally why aren't the guards moving them on? If it was members of a certain community setting up camp in that location the phone lines to the guards would melt.


  • #614
    kenmc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,283 ✭✭✭kenmc


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    I am guessing they will stick it 2 weeks.... or less if the story drops off the news.

    Aye, I'll hazard a guess they weren't camping on Dame St over xmas.


  • #615
    pelluci
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭pelluci


    What I'd like to know is if, as he stated, he isn't a property speculator, how did he intend to pay the loan back in the first place. Was he intending to use his rental income to pay it back? Rents haven't dropped by that much. So what changes in his circumstances caused him to be unable to repay the loan?


  • #616
    mirwillbeback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭mirwillbeback


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't give a fcuk what the details behind it are. Kicking OAPs out of their home is wrong regardless of any semantics.

    i personally would love the same to happen to Bertie on his 65th birthday


  • #617
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Justice for the individual wrote: »
    People on here are not seeing the bigger picture:

    When you borrow from a lender, he will borrow from the European Central Bank (ECB). The lender will borrow at a lower rate than he charges you. This is how he makes his profit. During the so-called boom, the mortgage providers and the regulators were recklessly ignoring basic rules and back-up documentation, and loaning money way over the ability to pay, if conditions changed.

    2008 arrives and the economies in Europe started to collapse like a deck of cards. This resulted in businesses collapsing and unemployment in Ireland rising to 400,000 plus. Because of these job losses, people are finding it hard to repay these mortgages. The bigger developers and borrowers could not sell on or develop their sites, and hit a wall. It was these big developers who borrowed in particular from the main banks, including Anglo Irish Bank.

    As the main banks were then in a serious position of having borrowed all this money from the ECB, the then Fianna Fail & their partners, the Green Party took the decision to pay back the ECB by methods of: cost-cutting, staff and wage reductions in the Public Sector (difficult) and Fine Gael and Labour are taking over where they left off, and also now working on bringing in property and water charges. In all the austerity, the politicians have forgotten to look at their own wages and expenses (among the highest paid in the Europe and in some cases the World). They should cut their wages by about 30%, reduce their numbers by half, and close down the Senate. When they undertake these measures we can then take them seriously.

    We, the taxpayers, are been forced to pay back the borrowings of the mortgage providers: banks and building providers, which THEY borrowed from the ECB.

    Correct and well said. Its a scandal that nobody from the regulators office, banks, building societies, or the government have been made to pay...instead they are all rewarded for the mess they made with huge pensions.

    I have sympathy for those victims of the governments and banks mismanagement of the economy. They did not do their job properly.


  • #618
    true
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    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Had the banks been prudent, they wouldn't have handed the money over in the first place. They should have known more than anyone that the bubble wasn't going to go on forever. They were blindly gambling with their customers' money.

    correct. The banks - and the Central bank and regulator - were supposed to be experts and their job was to ensure the banks lent prudently. Did they?

    The bonuses and pensions and windfalls should be taken off some millionaire bankers too for making such a mess.


  • #619
    goodie2shoes
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    This couple are professional landlords and own multiple "quality" (his words) properties, bought since 1996.

    Just wondering if one of his tenants decided not to pay rent for 2 years would they not seek to evict them?


  • #620
    K-9
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    true wrote: »
    Correct and well said. Its a scandal that nobody from the regulators office, banks, building societies, or the government have been made to pay...instead they are all rewarded for the mess they made with huge pensions.

    I have sympathy for those victims of the governments and banks mismanagement of the economy. They did not do their job properly.

    Does it matter that much? People were expected to pay their mortgages pre banking bailouts, ECB etc. This isn't a new phenomenon brought in by the IMF/EU etc.

    People were evicted from homes during the bubble, didn't see much faux outrage then.

    The difference this time is this guy thought he'd have a huge pension fund in property, it went wrong.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #621
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    RTÉ are a disgrace

    Myles Dungan gave a very soft interview to poor Mr Kelly and I begging for him to ask this question . One of the texters did but got no answer
    Possibly Pat Kenny would have been better
    goodie2shoes wrote: »
    This couple are professional landlords and own multiple "quality" (his words) properties, bought since 1996.

    Just wondering if one of his tenants decided not to pay rent for 2 years would they not seek to evict them?


    Damien O'Reilly completly lost control of the liveline debate. A firmer hand is needed but the lunatics took over and it turned into a shouting match

    "Did you watch the video"
    "No"

    Why do people call RTÉ and "didn't see it myself Joe" :confused:


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  • #622
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    true wrote: »
    Correct and well said. Its a scandal that nobody from the regulators office, banks, building societies, or the government have been made to pay...instead they are all rewarded for the mess they made with huge pensions.
    Well, the owners of the banks have been made pay as they lost their investments. The top management have largely gone (with nice pensions) but most of the senior management are still in place.
    true wrote: »
    I have sympathy for those victims of the governments and banks mismanagement of the economy. They did not do their job properly.
    I'll have sympathy for them when the government does its job and gets those who can't afford the houses they are occupying out of them and allowed those who were too poor or too sensible to buy during the bubble have a go at home ownership. I don't see why one section of our population (bubble buyers) should be privileged over everyone else.


  • #623
    BornToKill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭BornToKill


    Are they breaking the law by erecting a tent on the road (section 69 of the Roads Act 1993) or is this a private road? There was some reference to a 'gated community.'


  • #624
    goodie2shoes
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭goodie2shoes


    there was a simple solution.

    rent out the large upmarket Killiney house which would command a sizeable rent imo. hand said rent over to the lender to pay mortgage.

    move into 1 of their many rented apartments (some of which are wholly owned/mortgage free). a 1 or 2 bed should suffice as they do not have kids. they will most likely do this anyhow after their camping protest.

    i have no doubt such a solution was proposed, but not accepted.


  • #625
    Milk & Honey
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    BornToKill wrote: »
    Are they breaking the law by erecting a tent on the road (section 69 of the Roads Act 1993) or is this a private road? There was some reference to a 'gated community.'

    The "community" has 5 houses and that is the number of dwellings allowed on that site. Erecting a temporary dwelling on the site would not be in compliance with the planning permission.


  • #626
    votecounts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭votecounts


    This couple are a disgrace, move the fcuk out. The wife thinking that this would never happen in ireland means she must be very stupid.Awaits the response that they didn't know what they were signing, old age, dementia. etc any thing that gets the tax payer to foot the bill. Btw, if they tried to erect a tent in my area, i'd pull it down and get the guards to arrest them for trespass.


  • #627
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    On Vincent Brown TV3 he said they bought (or owned) eighteen properties.


  • #628
    goodie2shoes
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    kincsem wrote: »
    On Vincent Brown TV3 he said they bought (or owned) eighteen properties.

    told ya!

    poor downtrodden evictees me arse!


  • #629
    votecounts
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    kincsem wrote: »
    On Vincent Brown TV3 he said they bought (or owned) eighteen properties.
    Heard that too.


  • #630
    true
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    kincsem wrote: »
    On Vincent Brown TV3 he said they bought (or owned) eighteen properties.

    that was their business ( after they sold their Irish shops in Germany ).

    People need somewhere to live. They were professional landlords. The government encouraged people to become landlords and invest in the Ireish economy and provide accomodation through its section 23 schemes. They were doing the patriotic thing and creating (they thought ) a viable financial future for themselves and jobs and accomodation for others.


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  • #631
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    A €2.2m mortgage on a 20 year term attracts a monthly payment of about €12k. Yikes, you'd struggle to rent that for that price I'd say.


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