Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

smash · 19-04-2012 01:26PM

Bigtalker wrote: »

I have followed their story and at times they have offered the bank €22million (while owing them €71million) and the bank refused to take the money from them unless it was the full installment.

Link?

Think_then_talk · 19-04-2012 01:29PM

He comes to equity must come with clean hands.

davet82 · 19-04-2012 01:31PM

i took no pleasure in watching an elderly couple being man handled off their property after working hard for a lifetime... but you reap what you sow, they seemed well off and took some big risks/gambled and lost. Its hard for anyone to accept when you are in this situation particularly when bankers walked off into the sunset but they aint the first and they sure is hell wont be the last

Splendour · 19-04-2012 01:34PM

What I don't understand with this couple is how they are not embarrassed by this public eviction?
If I'd made a huge bags of borrowing that amount of money and not being able to pay it back I think I'd slink away in the middle of the night and not make it a public spectacle.
A lot of society now don't want to take responibility for their own actions and are so quick to point the finger of blame on anyone but themselves...

abouttobebanned wrote: »

When Sean Sherlock signed the "irish sopa" into law, this forum and the rest of the country were up in arms. They almost took to the streets with the most vehement display of anger that wasn't seen when the government were doing things a thousand times worse. What were people really angry about? Don't tell me it was about freedom and free speech etc. It was because it would soon be harder for them to illegally download music, movies football matches etc.

Off topic I know topic but people did take to the streets to vent their opinion on the SOPA law.

Bigtalker · 19-04-2012 01:39PM

Sorry can't find it and have to dash!! :eek:

I will search this evening if I can get online

sunflower27 · 19-04-2012 01:39PM

Splendour wrote: »

What I don't understand with this couple is how they are not embarrassed by this public eviction?
If I'd made a huge bags of borrowing that amount of money and not being able to pay it back I think I'd slink away in the middle of the night and not make it a public spectacle.

I suppose they thought they would be able to play the poor me card and get the media on board and see what happened. I mean, not like theyhad anything to lose.

They knew what was coming and I dare say they knew for a long time.

Why did they not move out of the house and rent it and make some contribution towards paying it back?

They did nothing, so they can expect nothing.

I hope this story goes away soon - it is actually starting to get on my tits now.

zom · 19-04-2012 01:40PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Owed €71 million, at age 72 :eek::eek:

How did he EVER think that was going end well???

(assuming that's true - I've never heard of this couple before - do you have links to previous press reports of their case?)

Guess who will pay them back?

YraggarY · 19-04-2012 01:44PM

Just to simplify this for the bleeding hearts brigade:

If you sold a product to someone for €2,000, and they decided after paying off a small amount of it not to pay you any more, what would you do to get the money they owe you? You'd discuss the options with them, perhaps offer them smaller instalments, but if they refused to co-operate or talk with you about it, what options would you be left with?

I'll support someone who is wronged 'til the end, but someone who hasn't taken advantage of the options presented to them to resolve the situation I can have no sympathy for.

19-04-2012 01:45PM

I think the €71 million is from a different case working its way through the courts:
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JoeGil · 19-04-2012 01:47PM

Just heard the report.
Sounds like these people believe they have a God given right to own a property empire and everybody else should pay for it. When is this madness going to end?

sunflower27 · 19-04-2012 01:48PM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Owed €71 million, at age 72 :eek::eek:

He had some cracking birthdays.

preddy · 19-04-2012 01:51PM

JoeGil wrote: »

When is this madness going to end?

Dec. 21, 2012

fionny · 19-04-2012 01:53PM

preddy wrote: »

Dec. 21, 2012

It might be a relief if it was :P

haminka · 19-04-2012 01:53PM

actuallylike wrote: »

Sorry I'd just like to address this. People seem to be under the impression that just because their house is extravagant or if they have other properties that sympathy should be withheld? I live with my parents in a house in a southside suburb. Admittedly it's quite a fine house, we spent years restoring it to what it is now and is one of the largest in the area. My parents have other properties around the place and they have been forced to sell close to all of them in the last few years. Recently this was felt would not be enough and banks were looking at our house...correction, our home!

This isn't just a fine house to us, a roof over our heads, it's our home. It's where I have spent most of my life, where my brother and his wife had their first child, where my parents plan to retire and enjoy the surroundings that they have spent so much time and money to have. Every corner has a story. We have spent a large portion of our life making it ours, nobody else's. The news that we might be losing it has been absolutely heartbreaking. My dad has never done anything immoral unlike many people in the country. He played the property game, successfully and unfortunately it fell apart recently like most people.

Now, recently we have gotten word that we may be out of the woods, meaning we might be able to keep it and to say that has been a relief is an understatement. We're not out of the woods yet but there is a light. But when I see comments like above, belittling people because of the house they are in or the properties they had makes me sick to my stomach. It reeks of this Irish attitude in recent months that no sympathy should be assigned to people of wealth. It's people like Sean Fitz who caused this misery. we were guilty of a form of tulipmania and it's unfortunate but understandable in human condition. Responses like above though are inexcusable and dare I say it broach on some sociopathic attitudes.

Now I in no way condone that they should keep their house because they're 'pensioners' (awful tabloid phrasing), if they owe money, they owe money and no doubt this eviction didn't come as a surprise but for heavens sake, a couple have been eveicted from their home!!! Show some god damn respect.

I don't envy people who have lots of money and can afford living in bigger houses and have a better lifestyle than I do - if they are capable of financing it. These guys lived above their means, they gambled their money, if their house was repossessed they probably couldn't afford repayments well before the bank decided to repossess and that was 2 years ago. They had enough time to sort out their means.
Why is everyone blaming Sean Fitzpatrick and feel like his victims? That's not true! There is one common denominator in those people's misfortune today and that is greed.
People were not happy with what they had, they wanted more and more and so they invested. Investments are a gamble so you can win but you can also lose. That's reality. I was watching The Pope's Children last week and once again, I was completely taken aback by some people's attitude. Watching a full plane of potential investors flying to Bulgaria, waffling about how the apartments in a country they have zero knowledge about are going to make them rich, now that's a mentality that someone should explain to me because I will never get it. Buying property as an investment all over Ireland and not stopping for a minute to think about how far the market can continue to grow, I will never get it and I'm by no means a good economist.
It wasn't the bank's fault or Fitzpatrick's fault that your family was in danger of losing the house you call home. It was the fault of the person who decided to use it as a guarantee for a gamble.

zom · 19-04-2012 01:54PM

JoeGil wrote: »

Just heard the report.
Sounds like these people believe they have a God given right to own a property empire and everybody else should pay for it. When is this madness going to end?

Some people were pampered much too much during Celtic Tiger era...

preddy wrote: »

Dec. 21, 2012

Dec. 20, 2012 - it will be 20.12 2012 in USA.

lividduck · 19-04-2012 01:54PM

Listened to them on the Kenny show on RTE Radio, he giving out yards about the bank, but when asked how many other properties he owned he said that he wasn't prepared to discuss his finances or property portfolio!
He went on to say that he wasn't a speculator, he was providing a much needed service as a "professional landlord"!
These people are insisting on keeping their other properties but wan't US the taxpayers to pay for their luxury pad on millionaires row, I have zero sympathy with them.

Zulu · 19-04-2012 01:56PM

on joe duffy now!

hondasam · 19-04-2012 01:56PM

lividduck wrote: »

Listened to them on the Kenny show on RTE Radio, he giving out yards about the bank, but when asked how many other properties he owned he said that he wasn't prepared to discuss his finances or property portfolio!
He went on to say that he wasn't a speculator, he was providing a much needed service as a "professional landlord"!
These people are insisting on keeping their other properties but wan't US the taxpayers to pay for their luxury pad on millionaires row, I have zero sympathy with them.

Heard someone say on Midday on TV3 he owns nine properties.

My name is URL · 19-04-2012 01:56PM

lividduck wrote: »

Listened to them on the Kenny show on RTE Radio, he giving out yards about the bank, but when asked how many other properties he owned he said that he wasn't prepared to discuss his finances or property portfolio!
He went on to say that he wasn't a speculator, he was providing a much needed service as a "professional landlord"!
These people are insisting on keeping their other properties but wan't US the taxpayers to pay for their luxury pad on millionaires row, I have zero sympathy with them.

Heard that too. The little amount of sympathy I originally had for them is fast evaporating I must say.

vikingdub · 19-04-2012 01:58PM

iguana wrote: »

They bought it in 2004 and the repossession order was given in 2010. This was never their family home and they do not seem to have ever made the proper repayments on it. It may have been their home for a few years, but it was never, ever, ever their house as they did not pay for it. They were little more than squatters and thieves. They get the respect due to them.

As for your dad, I'm glad he seems to be on top of things now but he gambled with his home and nearly lost. Those are the breaks when you gamble with your home.

Can you provide some links to back up your assertion that "they do not seem to have ever made the proper repayments on it"

Also perhaps you might explain, in plain English, what this "It may have been their home for a few years, but it was never, ever, ever their house as they did not pay for it." is supposed to mean and again some proof to back up your assertion that "they did not pay for it".

fionny · 19-04-2012 02:01PM

Just read on twitter that some F****N tools are occupying the Sherrifs office in Dublin over this... *facepalm*

HeidiHeidi · 19-04-2012 02:03PM

fionny wrote: »

Just read on twitter that some F****N tools are occupying the Sherrifs office in Dublin over this... *facepalm*

I thought I'd heard that, but then decided I must have imagined it :eek:

Occupy Dame Street? Or did I imagine that bit

Duckjob · 19-04-2012 02:03PM

I must have missed the part in the boom times where this couple and others in similar positions were contacting the Dept of Finance enquiring how to feed the profits from their property empires back into the exchequer for the benefit of all tax payers.

Also, LOL at 2:56 with spherical garda taking the weight off his feet with a breather against the plant pot.

vikingdub · 19-04-2012 02:03PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

I don't particularly enjoy that they were evicted from their home- my anger is coming from the fact that they genuinely weren't working with the banks to resolve it-ie, they knew this was coming for the last 2 years and now they're making all these dramatics. Had they been realistic about their situation they would not have been "man handled" out. This camping outside thing is like something out of a Ross O'Carroll Kelly book.

On what do you base that statement? The man involved was interviewed on Newstalk this morning and he has been attempting to negotiate with Anglo right up to and including the day before the eviction, it seems that Anglo refused to work with him not the other way round.

fionny · 19-04-2012 02:04PM

Duckjob wrote: »

Also, LOL at 2:56 with spherical garda taking the weight off his feet with a breather against the plant pot.

Thats the Sherrif not a Garda I think.

Wile E. Coyote · 19-04-2012 02:05PM

vikingdub wrote: »

Can you provide some links to back up your assertion that "they do not seem to have ever made the proper repayments on it"

Also perhaps you might explain, in plain English, what this "It may have been their home for a few years, but it was never, ever, ever their house as they did not pay for it." is supposed to mean and again some proof to back up your assertion that "they did not pay for it".

A reposession order can take a minimum of 2-3 years to obtain and thats only if you don't defend yourself and don't negotiate with your bank. If the repossesion order was granted in 2010 then proceedings would have been initiated at the latest around 2007.

Wile E. Coyote · 19-04-2012 02:07PM

fionny wrote: »

Just read on twitter that some F****N tools are occupying the Sherrifs office in Dublin over this... *facepalm*

It's probably the tenants from his many properties afraid that he's going to have to go live with them.

fionny · 19-04-2012 02:08PM

Wile E. Coyote wrote: »

It's probably the tenants from his many properties afraid that he's going to have to go live with them.

This just posted on twitter:

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fishy fishy · 19-04-2012 02:10PM

hondasam wrote: »

The court had given the order and the bailiff had the said order. Why would you listen to them and not the court?

who was the judge in the court that gave the order? and who was the sherrif that came to collect?

Galwayguy35 · 19-04-2012 02:10PM

Just heard on the news that Eamonn Gilmore says he has alot of sympathy for them and he is going to meet them. Wonder would he announce on the radio that he was going to meet with ordinary person if he/she was evicted?

Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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