Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

Patser · 19-04-2012 08:48AM

mickoneill30 wrote: »

The guy is on Newstalk now.

Oh man! Did you hear him on Newstalk. Didn't want to really talk about what he owed. Instead just wanted to say he was 'brutally' removed from his family home. How many times did he say brutality. But I nearly gagged when he said common people (maybe normal people) like him wouldn't put up with much more. Like a 19th century eviction it was.

Sorry it was a 2 million loan he refused to pay. And when pushed on this 'sure we all over extended ourselves'.

Faolchu · 19-04-2012 08:51AM

Thoie wrote: »

I don't know about others, but this isn't begrudgery on my part. I have sympathy for people who lose their homes. I have no sympathy for people who, having gone through all the legal channels, ignore a court order to leave, fail to arrange alternative accommodation and then start comparing themselves to peasants being burned out of their homes. They had the guts of 2 years to sort something out, and apparently didn't bother their arses.

agreed. they are saying they have no place to go. sorry but they have a number of homes they rent out, unless all these homes were repossessed then I'd hazard a guess in the last 2 years one lease in their portfolio has ended. they could have not renewed this then moved in to that home thus vacating this one.

sunflower27 · 19-04-2012 08:52AM

tiny_penguin wrote: »

But these people still chose to take out a 2million euro mortgage 8 years ago. They took full advantage of the boom. Why should they get to live in a house like that, take on income from rental properties and not pay their mortgage? Should everyone who took out a mortgage in the boom just have those debts written off and get free houses? What about the rest of us who may never be able to afford a mortgage because of reckless lending by the banks and reckless borrowing by greedy people.

They have had 2 years to fight this and figure something out - they could downsize? I am sure they have lots of options but they are digging their heels in as they feel they are entitled to this. If I didn't pay my rent, I would be kicked out long before 2 years.

Of course the government are to blame too, changes aren't happening and the country is falling apart. But does that mean that everyone can just stop paying their mortgage?

It may be like trusting a loan shark - but if you are stupid enough to take a loan out with them then you have to deal with the consequences.

I totally agree. They had two years to come to some agreement, but did nothing.

So they probably made a shedload of money in the boom and renting out houses asking for ridiculous rent and then when it all went pearshaped for them they refused to address the issue.

It sounds like pure greed to me. They gambled and lost, but didnt want to admit defeat. So they did nothing.

They refused to take responsibility for their change in circumstances. Why should they feel entitled to different treatment to anyone else?

I'd love to not worry about my mortgae for two years. :rolleyes:

alan4cult · 19-04-2012 09:03AM

You roll the dice, you pay the price, regardless of age. I'm sorry but rules are rules else we would all be moving into €2 million + houses.

Monty Burnz · 19-04-2012 09:07AM

alan4cult wrote: »

You roll the dice, you pay the price, regardless of age. I'm sorry but rules are rules else we would all be moving into €2 million + houses.

Or, more accurately, we'd never move into them ever again because the people who have them now would never have to leave whether they bothered to pay their mortgage or not...

Formosa · 19-04-2012 09:10AM

Patser wrote: »

Oh man! Did you hear him on Newstalk. Didn't want to really talk about what he owed. Instead just wanted to say he was 'brutally' removed from his family home. How many times did he say brutality. But I nearly gagged when he said common people (maybe normal people) like him wouldn't put up with much more. Like a 19th century eviction it was.

Sorry it was a 2 million loan he refused to pay. And when pushed on this 'sure we all over extended ourselves'.

He sounded like a proper c.unt.

No sympathy for him, bloody freeloader.

ste2010 · 19-04-2012 09:10AM

haminka wrote: »

ste2010 wrote: »

Haminka...don't get me wrong...there is probably ways they should have paid or organised resposnes to form agreements with bank but why should he...he's seeing the guys that brought Ireland to its knees jet around the world like they retired early..so why would he think the govt services and banks would pick on the smaller people...it's like theres a hole in the bottom of the boat but the govt and banks are too busy looking for the craics and ignore the hole..
How was he to know that when he took out the mortgage years ago that when he opened the door all he found was a floor made out of paper masch all because criminal defrauded the country and the regulator who got paid with tax Payers money failed to regulate. He used his head to be innovative in the boom and got punished by taking all the risk on his chin and that he deserves that but you can see my points why should he suffer when the big guys don't....
We are continually having the p*ss taken out of us and we all stand there taking it..
We introduce water rates and create 2000jobs when NI introduced it they cut 800jobs in the civil service. do u think the water services division in local councils will be laid off when this happens? Abrakedabra 2000 jobs were created...this place stinks...and the PAYE are the people who pay for it the most

abouttobebanned · 19-04-2012 09:14AM

Look at the post on the front page of this thread that got all the thanks. It makes me laugh, and then a little sad that people support the physical removal of pensioners from their home. Some people on this forum absolutely sicken me. Fcuking do gooders the lot of ye.

the varg · 19-04-2012 09:18AM

If the guy has a number of rental properties I wonder would he be so gracious with his tenants who cannot pay their rent. Somehow I doubt it.

You don't pay your rent/mortgage you loose your home.

Thats the way the world works and he should know better. Still it's a crappy position to be in, in fairness.

cyrusdvirus · 19-04-2012 09:19AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Look at the post on the front page of this thread that got all the thanks. It makes me laugh, and then a little sad that people support the physical removal of pensioners from their home. Some people on this forum absolutely sicken me. Fcuking do gooders the lot of ye.

What's so wrong with being a 'do gooder'? Don't break the law, pay your mortgage that you asked the bank for, and this won't happen to you, it's fairly simple to me.

abouttobebanned · 19-04-2012 09:19AM

That video that was posted about the pensioners being evicted from their home, by the bank that almost single handedly brought the country to its knees.

This post received 78 thanks.

This couple who own several other properties seem to think that there is something wrong with being expected to pay their mortgage!
No sympathy at all here thread should be re-titled Former super-rich developers forced to live within their means!

78 people, and the OP who seem to think that it's ok to physically remove pensioners from their home in this fashion. Removed by a bank who one of the main instigators in the collapse of this country's economy.

Every day we see bloody hypocrites reply to threads on Boards.

"hi there, i got a threatening letter from the bank today [sic]"

"Well if you pay your bills on time they won't sent you letters"

100+ thanks.

Absolutely sickens me.

haminka · 19-04-2012 09:20AM

ste2010 wrote: »

Haminka...don't get me wrong...there is probably ways they should have paid or organised resposnes to form agreements with bank but why should he...he's seeing the guys that brought Ireland to its knees jet around the world like they retired early..so why would he think the govt services and banks would pick on the smaller people...it's like theres a hole in the bottom of the boat but the govt and banks are too busy looking for the craics and ignore the hole..
How was he to know that when he took out the mortgage years ago that when he opened the door all he found was a floor made out of paper masch all because criminal defrauded the country and the regulator who got paid with tax Payers money failed to regulate. He used his head to be innovative in the boom and got punished by taking all the risk on his chin and that he deserves that but you can see my points why should he suffer when the big guys don't....
We are continually having the p*ss taken out of us and we all stand there taking it..
We introduce water rates and create 2000jobs when NI introduced it they cut 800jobs in the civil service. do u think the water services division in local councils will be laid off when this happens? Abrakedabra 2000 jobs were created...this place stinks...and the PAYE are the people who pay for it the most

The only thing that drove this guy to make his decisions was greed. He is no different from the Fitzpatrick or any other guy who gambled and lost. He was allowed two years to sort the problems out and did nothing. Please let's stop blaming the Government for everything. I have no sympathy for those tossers but I have no sympathy for the so-called victims of the boom who at the end aren't really poor. They still have enough properties, it's the liquidity they seem to have a problem with. And this couple are no "smaller people".

abouttobebanned · 19-04-2012 09:20AM

gatecrash wrote: »

What's so wrong with being a 'do gooder'? Don't break the law, pay your mortgage that you asked the bank for, and this won't happen to you, it's fairly simple to me.

Easy to say that anonymously on the internet. But if we looked a bit closer at your life, would you really be as perfect as you're making yourself out to be?

Dyr · 19-04-2012 09:23AM

its funny that people who have an "I'm alright jack" attitude to their fellow mans travails are suddenly brimming with the milk of human kindness when it comes to the bleedin' mortgage.

Funny old world

sixfingered · 19-04-2012 09:24AM

Have I got this right: a rich couple tried to get richer, they made a balls of it and now they've lost everything?

Xavi6 · 19-04-2012 09:24AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

That video that was posted about the pensioners being evicted from their home, by the bank that almost single handedly brought the country to its knees.

This post received 78 thanks.

78 people, and the OP who seem to think that it's ok to physically remove pensioners from their home in this fashion. Removed by a bank who one of the main instigators in the collapse of this country's economy.

Every day we see bloody hypocrites reply to threads on Boards.

"hi there, i got a threatening letter from the bank today [sic]"

"Well if you pay your bills on time they won't sent you letters"

100+ thanks.

Absolutely sickens me.

People in agreeing with the facts shocker.

alan4cult · 19-04-2012 09:24AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Easy to say that anonymously on the internet. But if we looked a bit closer at your life, would you really be as perfect as you're making yourself out to be?

Nobody is saying anyone is perfect but laws are black and white and cruel at times. You don't pay your mortgage you lose your home simple as.

SunnyDub1 · 19-04-2012 09:25AM

get over it and don't take sh*t to the heart to much

kincsem · 19-04-2012 09:25AM

Hippocrates the father of Western medicine probably had a cure for what ails you.

seamus · 19-04-2012 09:25AM

How is that hypocritical.

We're far too precious about property in this country.

So long as no-one is actually being thrown onto the street with nowhere to go (which they aren't), then I have no problem with loan contracts being enforced. What would be the ****ing point of having contract law if people could just ignore it?

Chucky the tree · 19-04-2012 09:26AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

That video that was posted about the pensioners being evicted from their home, by the bank that almost single handedly brought the country to its knees.

This post received 78 thanks.

78 people, and the OP who seem to think that it's ok to physically remove pensioners from their home in this fashion. Removed by a bank who one of the main instigators in the collapse of this country's economy.

Every day we see bloody hypocrites reply to threads on Boards.

"hi there, i got a threatening letter from the bank today [sic]"

"Well if you pay your bills on time they won't sent you letters"

100+ thanks.

Absolutely sickens me.

As someone who thanked the post of course it is. Also, how does that make people hypocrites?

abouttobebanned · 19-04-2012 09:30AM

seamus wrote: »

How is that hypocritical.

We're far too precious about property in this country.

So long as no-one is actually being thrown onto the street with nowhere to go (which they aren't), then I have no problem with loan contracts being enforced. What would be the ****ing point of having contract law if people could just ignore it?

I'll tell you why. And there was a reason why I started it in a new thread, because I wanted to discuss it while referring to incidents aside from the one on this thread.

When Sean Sherlock signed the "irish sopa" into law, this forum and the rest of the country were up in arms. They almost took to the streets with the most vehement display of anger that wasn't seen when the government were doing things a thousand times worse. What were people really angry about? Don't tell me it was about freedom and free speech etc. It was because it would soon be harder for them to illegally download music, movies football matches etc.

These people who can so easily pass judgement on others who "break the law".

It really is one rule for some and another entirely for people that you don't know.

kincsem · 19-04-2012 09:33AM

If I robbed €2,000,000 from Tesco I'd expect they would be a bit upset. Would using the word bank instead of Tesco make it ok.

vibe666 · 19-04-2012 09:34AM

so because the former super rich developers who owned several properties are pensioners they should be given a break when being evicted from their massive luxury mansion?

maybe they should move into one of the others? or sell a one or two of them to pay their bills?

i'm pretty sure the banks didn't cause the financial collapse on their own, they had plenty of help from greedy people vastly over stretching themselves to buy up multiple properties trying to get rich quick.

i'd have plenty of sympathy for a family (or pensioners) with one home who'd lived sensibly and tried their best to save and pay off one mortgage who fell on hard times and got evicted because they couldn't afford to pay their bills, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for greedy people who got bit trying to carve out a big fat slice of the celtic tiger pie just because they have a pension book which i'm sure they don't actually need given the size of the gaff they just got booted out of.

Gummy Panda · 19-04-2012 09:34AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

Look at the post on the front page of this thread that got all the thanks. It makes me laugh, and then a little sad that people support the physical removal of pensioners from their home. Some people on this forum absolutely sicken me. Fcuking do gooders the lot of ye.

Then you known what to do if you don't like it so much

omahaid · 19-04-2012 09:35AM

kincsem wrote: »

If I robbed €2,000,000 from Tesco I'd expect they would be a bit upset. Would using the word bank instead of Tesco make it ok.

According to some people on this thread if you are a pensioner then it is ok to rob €2,000,000, it's all down to your age apparently.

Zulu · 19-04-2012 09:36AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

They almost took to the streets...

People "almost" do lots of things.
That couple "almost" paid their mortgage. And "almost" didn't get evicted.

Seachmall · 19-04-2012 09:37AM

abouttobebanned wrote: »

What were people really angry about? Don't tell me it was about freedom and free speech etc. It was because it would soon be harder for them to illegally download music, movies football matches etc.

Completely inaccurate and irrelevant. People were angry because it was a disgraceful way to introduce the legislation and disgraceful way to deal with concerns and criticisms, it was also disgracefully worded legislation.

OT,

They agreed to the terms of the mortgage. They failed to keep their end of the agreement. The bank evicted them as per the agreement.

Not that hard to comprehend.

Monty Burnz · 19-04-2012 09:41AM

ste2010 wrote: »

Haminka...don't get me wrong...there is probably ways they should have paid or organised resposnes to form agreements with bank but why should he...he's seeing the guys that brought Ireland to its knees jet around the world like they retired early..so why would he think the govt services and banks would pick on the smaller people...it's like theres a hole in the bottom of the boat but the govt and banks are too busy looking for the craics and ignore the hole..
How was he to know that when he took out the mortgage years ago that when he opened the door all he found was a floor made out of paper masch all because criminal defrauded the country and the regulator who got paid with tax Payers money failed to regulate. He used his head to be innovative in the boom and got punished by taking all the risk on his chin and that he deserves that but you can see my points why should he suffer when the big guys don't....
We are continually having the p*ss taken out of us and we all stand there taking it..
We introduce water rates and create 2000jobs when NI introduced it they cut 800jobs in the civil service. do u think the water services division in local councils will be laid off when this happens? Abrakedabra 2000 jobs were created...this place stinks...and the PAYE are the people who pay for it the most

None of this is really relevant though, is it? Hopefully the state will eventually have evidence to charge and convict the morons who lead us into this, but at the same time stupidity is not illegal. Otherwise a lot of our mortgage defaulters would be looking at jail time too.

Meanwhile, the country is full of people living in houses they can't afford, but it's out of the question for them to rent and to allow other people (like those who have had to rent for the last decade or two) who can afford their homes to move in.

Jokeshop.

seamus · 19-04-2012 09:42AM

Sounds like abouttobebanned was too busy getting upset about other people defaulting on their mortgages to actually bother understanding the problems with Sherlock's folly.

Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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