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Pensioners evicted from their home today!!

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  • #62
    GetWithIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Missmiddleton wrote: »
    feel sick after seeing how that old man was treated. You have to wonder how some of those people sleep at night, are they proud of themselves?
    Read first page, read last page? In fine AH tradition.


  • #63
    Agent J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    This is entertaining.

    People are getting worked up about a landlord couple being evicted after 2 years notice while they own other properties.

    This would be a large part of the problem facing this country.

    You make an agreement and you stick to it. If you can't you don't get to carry on regardless. There are consequences.

    This is the house(Stolen from other posters)
    http://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/kilbarron-st-matthias-wood-church-road-killiney/1247060


  • #64
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    We have a special kind of self loathing in this country. People who do well in business are all bastards who must have screwed someone it seems. These people aren't criminals. Assuming they have empty houses lined up ready for them to occupy is wrong. The banks could have the whole lot in their sights and they are occupied. You cant just kick people out. Takes time and money which I doubt they have.

    Its harder to have sympathy for people who had money, who are falling on hard times I know. I say remember this poem. Who'll speak for you if you're next? And you aren't/weren't rich. In normal times you can chalk these things up to mistakes by the individual. These aren't normal times. A massive private debt burden has been laid on the Irish people with no chance of restructuring. They want ALL their money back.

    They start with these people because sympathy is low. Next it will be the middle class and people will say "well they got above themselves" with their "portfolio". Who did they think they were? And on it will go. They wont starve of course. The absolute worse case scenario is the social housing list, which is good enough for thousands and good enough for me when I was brought up. We need to be careful though. Why are we ashamed of wealth and success? Its like we will it away as some scam we pulled that we never really expected to last. **** that.


    PS. What a beautiful house (or home).
    The massive debt built up in the ENTIRE European banking system is being thrown around like a hot potatoes. We're gladly holding our own and a few others tightly because we think there might be some reward there. There ain't.

    My taxes were paying for their property portfolio so forgive me if I couldn't give a ****. At least Anglo debt will be less whatever they get for this house now.


  • #65
    danger mouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?


  • #66
    Thoie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    We have a special kind of self loathing in this country. People who do well in business are all bastards who must have screwed someone it seems. These people aren't criminals. Assuming they have empty houses lined up ready for them to occupy is wrong. The banks could have the whole lot in their sights and they are occupied.

    I don't know about others, but this isn't begrudgery on my part. I have sympathy for people who lose their homes. I have no sympathy for people who, having gone through all the legal channels, ignore a court order to leave, fail to arrange alternative accommodation and then start comparing themselves to peasants being burned out of their homes. They had the guts of 2 years to sort something out, and apparently didn't bother their arses.


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  • #67
    bluesteel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭bluesteel


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?

    I think even you know it's legal.

    "Their homes"? These clowns don't own their home, the bank i.e. we do! They were trespassing. They were escorted off the premises.


  • #68
    Dotsie~tmp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?

    It is. Another interesting one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUjl4LvQM8


  • #69
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?

    It's legal, they were given ample opportunity to move but refused, the only option left is to remove them by force.
    People do have rights but the bank also have the right to expect people to pay back what they borrow.
    They lost and should have handed back the keys, they want public outrage in order for them to stay in their free home.


  • #70
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    These people aren't criminals.

    Is there something you are missing here? They stayed in a house for two years that they didn't pay for and by the end of it didn't even own. They were trespassing on the banks property. It doesn't even matter if they were the richest or poorest in Ireland. They were the criminals trespassing and they deserve what they got.


  • #71
    humbert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    That's about the closest I've come to feeling sorry for the gardai in quite some time.

    I wish someone would tazer the vociferous woman in that video.


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  • #72
    Thoie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions?
    No
    danger mouse wrote: »
    what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this.
    The Irish Statutes. http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1923/en/act/pub/0004/sec0002.html

    danger mouse wrote: »
    Do people not have rights
    Yes. It is your right to challenge a conviction order in the proper legal manner in the courts.
    danger mouse wrote: »
    i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?
    It's legal.


  • #73
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Sorry do the Gardai not have to carry out these evictions? what gives these over weight thugs the right to remove these people from their homes your man could hardly stand. I cant believe this. Do people not have rights i cant believe this is this not classed as assault. Someone please tell me if this is legal?

    What are you on about rights? The couple failed to pay their mortgage and were trespassing on the banks property. The bank has every right to remove them from the property that the bank owns.


  • #74
    danger mouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    Well ive finally lost all faith in this country if this is legal. I understand they should have paid there house loan but for a few thugs that frankly from the video look like a gang of complete dossers remove people from there home makes my bloody blood boil. Ah I really feel sick about this aspect of it.


  • #75
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Well ive finally lost all faith in this country if this is legal. I understand they should have paid there house loan but for a few thugs that frankly from the video look like a gang of complete dossers remove people from there home makes my bloody blood boil. Ah I really feel sick about this aspect of it.

    So how exactly would you make someone get out of your house if they didn't want to leave and refused to do so when asked?


  • #76
    Agent J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Well ive finally lost all faith in this country if this is legal. I understand they should have paid there house loan but for a few thugs that frankly from the video look like a gang of complete dossers remove people from there home makes my bloody blood boil. Ah I really feel sick about this aspect of it.

    Which part of they were property landlords living in a now state-owned house free for the last 2 years are you incapable of grasping?

    Tell me, what should be done with people who refuse to co-operate with the legal process?


  • #77
    Odats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 767 ✭✭✭Odats


    You don't own your home until the final mortgage payment and you have the deeds of your home in your hands.

    They didn't pay their mortgage for two years and exhausted all options that led to the eviction. IBRC has done what it had to do in order to try and cut its losses to the taxpayer.

    Whether you are 72 or 22 you have to pay your debts. If this eviction was in a working class area no one would bat an eyelid.


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  • #79
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Dotsie~tmp wrote: »
    We have a special kind of self loathing in this country. People who do well in business are all bastards who must have screwed someone it seems. These people aren't criminals. Assuming they have empty houses lined up ready for them to occupy is wrong. The banks could have the whole lot in their sights and they are occupied. You cant just kick people out. Takes time and money which I doubt they have.

    Its harder to have sympathy for people who had money, who are falling on hard times I know. I say remember this poem. Who'll speak for you if you're next? And you aren't/weren't rich. In normal times you can chalk these things up to mistakes by the individual. These aren't normal times. A massive private debt burden has been laid on the Irish people with no chance of restructuring. They want ALL their money back.

    They start with these people because sympathy is low. Next it will be the middle class and people will say "well they got above themselves" with their "portfolio". Who did they think they were? And on it will go. They wont starve of course. The absolute worse case scenario is the social housing list, which is good enough for thousands and good enough for me when I was brought up. We need to be careful though. Why are we ashamed of wealth and success? Its like we will it away as some scam we pulled that we never really expected to last. **** that.

    The massive debt built up in the ENTIRE European banking system is being thrown around like a hot potatoes. We're gladly holding our own and a few others tightly because we think there might be some reward there. There ain't.
    Would you go away with your "we" stuff. People are just disputing the "poor frail elderly couple being thrown onto the street with nowhere to go" (and they're not elderly) angle. It's got nothing to do with that "begrudgery" nonsense some people have in their heads and obsessively trot out. Fair play to them for doing well for themselves but I can't see how that's here nor there.


  • #80
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Well ive finally lost all faith in this country if this is legal. I understand they should have paid there house loan but for a few thugs that frankly from the video look like a gang of complete dossers remove people from there home makes my bloody blood boil. Ah I really feel sick about this aspect of it.

    I think public sympathy is not high due to where the house is and the value of the mortgage and the couple have other property.
    If all avenues have been exhausted and they lost the case in court then why not just give the keys willingly without the drama.
    I'm not happy to see anyone losing their home but we need to take responsibility for our own downfall. They will not disclose what they owe or why they are in financial difficulties.


  • #81
    Cool_CM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,992 ✭✭✭Cool_CM


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Well ive finally lost all faith in this country if this is legal. I understand they should have paid there house loan but for a few thugs that frankly from the video look like a gang of complete dossers remove people from there home makes my bloody blood boil. Ah I really feel sick about this aspect of it.

    They're obviously not dossers, they have jobs removing people from property that doesn't belong to them.


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  • #82
    danger mouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    Heisenberg. wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    This being the only part of this matter i have a problem with. Shouldn't the garda not be enforcing court orders not a few thug looking lackeens of questionable character.


  • #83
    Statistician
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭Statistician


    Maybe if the banks were properly regulated back in 2004, things would have been different for this couple.

    The Government allowed cheap money into the country.
    The Government took their huge chunk of stamp duty and taxes.
    They did all this to buy power. What union was going to argue with the gravy train?

    I blame the people that were evicted today for not having the foresight to see it was a bubble, but I also blame the government for inflating the bubble in the first place.

    To make matters worse, we are expected to pay for it all. Income levy, USC, Household tax, water rates etc, etc....
    Well as long as councillors etc are on over €100k+, I'm not paying household tax, water charges or anything else I have the option not to pay.


  • #84
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Heisenberg. wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I did not find it distressing at all, I thought it was pathetic tbh. A sad old man who would not give in and let them have the keys.
    The old man was very hands on himself, he came across very bad.


  • #85
    SmilingLurker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭SmilingLurker


    Don't pay, you should not stay in your home. Read the terms and conditions of what you sign. I live with my pregnant wife in a much more modest home and we are in negative equity. We work hard, pay our mortgage every month. We have to live within our means.

    They took a risk, lost, and have to live with the consequences.

    No one mugged anyone and forced them into a mortgage, and if you sign up to pay it, you should. No excuses.


  • #86
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    danger mouse wrote: »
    This being the only part of this matter i have a problem with. Shouldn't the garda not be enforcing court orders not a few thug looking lackeens of questionable character.

    what do you know about these people? reasonable force is allowed. They were trespassing at this point as they no longer own the house.


  • #87
    Thoie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    danger mouse wrote: »
    This being the only part of this matter i have a problem with. Shouldn't the garda not be enforcing court orders not a few thug looking lackeens of questionable character.

    It clearly isn't - you also seem to have some issues with the physical appearance of the sheriff and bailiffs.

    The sheriff and bailiffs, like the gardaí, may use reasonable force to remove people where necessary. I've already explained to you that gardaí don't enforce these court orders. The only reason the garda was there seems to be because the woman herself called them.

    Would you be happier if two gardaí in uniform had walked the trespasser off the premises in precisely the same manner?


  • #88
    Ronin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    flynnlives wrote: »


    quite distressing video towards the end.

    Not sure of the details.

    There is something rotten in the state of Ireland!!

    Quite funny at the end I thought.The man is an accountant,he, above anyone, knows the law regarding loans. Killiney jet set just crying because they now know that it can happen to them.

    Nice house though,wonder would I get it cheap cos of the scandal??


  • #89
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Wonder how many properties this guy owns? Pure guess, but if he owns a few properties and has so little cash that he can't fend off the bailiffs, I'd say he bought a few houses during the boom and now is in debt cos he can't afford to the mortgages. The type of people that were greedy during the boom and drove up house prices.

    What's he doing with his green bin?


  • #90
    danger mouse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭danger mouse


    Putting aside all the comments about how wealthy these home owners where and frankly i couldn't care less if they where oil barons.But personally I have a huge problem with the fact that these men who where not Garda, where able to removed these people from a property with impunity. I feel personally like it was an assault and this aspect of the case makes me feel sick. If anyone else wants to misquote me and think I'm supporting the couple can read my posts again and you will see I'm not. I'm just angry and worried that these so called "bailiffs" can come along and drag someone off their property. That is my thoughts on this matter and im not gonna say much more.


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  • #91
    It wasn't me!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    danger mouse wrote: »
    Putting aside all the comments about how wealthy these home owners where and frankly i couldn't care less if they where oil barons.But personally I have a huge problem with the fact that these men who where not Garda, where able to removed these people from a property with impunity. I feel personally like it was an assault and this aspect of the case makes me feel sick. If anyone else wants to misquote me and think I'm supporting the couple can read my posts again and you will see I'm not. I'm just angry and worried that these so called "bailiffs" can come along and drag someone off their property. That is my thoughts on this matter and im not gonna say much more.

    It's not the couple's property. They don't own it. That's why they have to leave. If they were in your house and refused to leave, you'd chuck them out too.


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