Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

El Inho · 18-04-2012 10:17AM

someone posted this a couple of pages back...

times might be tough, but man do I LOVE Liverpool Football Club.

batm!ke · 18-04-2012 10:28AM

Why did Alonso leave? It seemed clear he loved the club. As I remember it, the rumours were flying around that after his injuries Rafa was looking to sell him and bring in Gareth Barry and Alonso was none too happy. That last season it seemed he knew he was leaving and played out of his skin. Do ye think he'd ever come back if maybe he won a few trophies at RM and decided to move on?

D'Agger · 18-04-2012 10:30AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I would ****ing love a midfield of Lucas and Alonso...

I think we all would - would be a powerful combination.

My dreams would involve a Suarez, Torres partnership also

amiable · 18-04-2012 10:32AM

batm!ke wrote: »

Why did Alonso leave? It seemed clear he loved the club. As I remember it, the rumours were flying around that after his injuries Rafa was looking to sell him and bring in Gareth Barry and Alonso was none too happy. That last season it seemed he knew he was leaving and played out of his skin. Do ye think he'd ever come back if maybe he won a few trophies at RM and decided to move on?

It was more to do with them falling out because Alonso's wife was pregnant and nearly due and he didn't want to travel to Milan to play Inter as far as I remember.
I think that's what set things off. I'm open to correction on this

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 10:35AM

amiable wrote: »

It was more to do with them falling out because Alonso's wife was pregnant and nearly due and he didn't want to travel to Milan to play Inter as far as I remember.
I think that's what set things off. I'm open to correction on this

She went into labour and Alonso wanted to stay for the birth.

amiable · 18-04-2012 10:39AM

Kess73 wrote: »

She went into labour and Alonso wanted to stay for the birth.

I wasn't sure on this piece Kess

Cartman78 · 18-04-2012 10:39AM

It's always tough watching Alonso playing for Madrid - like seeing an old girlfriend strolling around town with her new fella.

Strange to see Arbeloa getting his game as well - still seems to be doing a solid & unspectacular job

Nuri Sahin · 18-04-2012 10:42AM

whatawaster wrote: »

As a signing he reminds me of Ben Arfa to Newcastle. Lots of talent but questionable attitude. Great value though and if it works out, he is just what we need

Ben Arfa has always been far more talented than Drenthe, and for Ben Arfa it was more a case of playing for the team instead of being so individualised in style as well as outlook at the game. Somewhat like Quaresma except Quaresma will never, ever change and has fallen out of favour for that reason alone with so many coaches around Europe.

IF we do sign Drenthe, I'd give it 2 seasons maximum before we move him on.

monkey9 · 18-04-2012 10:48AM

Is our match with West Brom this weekend on on Sunday at four and if so, why?

amiable · 18-04-2012 10:51AM

So who is on people's wishlist for this summer in the transfer market for Liverpool?
Try keep it as real as possible

amiable · 18-04-2012 10:52AM

Liverpool sign 16-year-old Dan Smith for a reported £300,000 from Crewe Alexandra according to the BBC

El Inho · 18-04-2012 10:55AM

heres a question...

would ye have joe cole back? seems to have found form.

personally, i dont think he's up to the level we aim for.

and if we move him on, what do we value him at? like we got him for nout to hard to judge.

missingtime · 18-04-2012 10:55AM

amiable wrote: »

So who is on people's wishlist for this summer in the transfer market for Liverpool?
Try keep it as real as possible

Rafa

batm!ke · 18-04-2012 10:58AM

eldwaro wrote: »

heres a question...

would ye have joe cole back? seems to have found form.

personally, i dont think he's up to the level we aim for.

and if we move him on, what do we value him at? like we got him for nout to hard to judge.

I'd have him back. Useful squad player if he didn't mind not playing every game. Getting to that age where he could start passing on a few things to the youngsters too.

Nuri Sahin · 18-04-2012 11:01AM

eldwaro wrote: »

heres a question...

would ye have joe cole back? seems to have found form.

personally, i dont think he's up to the level we aim for.

and if we move him on, what do we value him at? like we got him for nout to hard to judge.

I'll sound what I hate, a cliched footy fool

Time and space on the ball. He isn't offered that in the EPL. While there are some very defensive teams in France, there aren't many highly quality defenders, at a push there are only a handful I'd rate personally and who'd fit in comfortably in the EPL. That plus his wages... I'd get rid off him asap.

Hopefully QPR or whoever else (I see wanting a move back to London), if they do stay up would be stupid enough to stump up something close to £5M for him despite his age.

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 11:04AM

eldwaro wrote: »

heres a question...

would ye have joe cole back? seems to have found form.

personally, i dont think he's up to the level we aim for.

and if we move him on, what do we value him at? like we got him for nout to hard to judge.

Nope would not have him back. Have not forgotten the sight of him on the pitch puffing and wheezing, coupled with his utter lack of pace and effort.

He has not been the massive success in France that some of the media would like people to believe. He has scored one goal more in the French league than he did in the Premier league for Liverpool, and a couple of cup games against weaker teams have padded out his stats a lot in terms of goals.

He also seems to struggle badly with fitness and the pace of the game.

He has had 26 starts and 11 sub appearances since going to France. But of his 26 starts, he has been subbed off 20 times.

Morzadec · 18-04-2012 11:06AM

eldwaro wrote: »

heres a question...

would ye have joe cole back? seems to have found form.

personally, i dont think he's up to the level we aim for.

and if we move him on, what do we value him at? like we got him for nout to hard to judge.

To be fair I think we're best off letting him go. He's on fairly monstrous wages and I don't see him offering that much. If he's used as a squad player he's only going to get in the way of the likes of Henderson and Shelvey's development.

I would imagine we would probably accept an offer of 1p if a club could take him off our books. Certainly can't see us getting more than a couple of million anyway

El Inho · 18-04-2012 11:08AM

http://www1.skysports.com/20seasons

and this is something ye all might like to play with.

amiable · 18-04-2012 11:09AM

-Ade- wrote: »

I'll sound what I hate, a cliched footy fool Time and space on the ball. He isn't offered that in the EPL. While there are some very defensive teams in France, there aren't many highly quality defenders, at a push there are only a handful I'd rate personally and who'd fit in comfortably in the EPL. That plus his wages... I'd get rid off him asap.

Hopefully QPR or whoever else (I see wanting a move back to London), if they do stay up would be stupid enough to stump up something close to £5M for him despite his age.

If Arry is still at Spurs he may turn up there?
I can't see QPR going for him while they have Taarabt.

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 11:12AM

Morzadec wrote: »

To be fair I think we're best off letting him go. He's on fairly monstrous wages and I don't see him offering that much. If he's used as a squad player he's only going to get in the way of the likes of Henderson and Shelvey's development.

I would imagine we would probably accept an offer of 1p if a club could take him off our books. Certainly can't see us getting more than a couple of million anyway

Totally agree. He was nothing more than a washed up has been when the club bought him and decided to put him on pretty big wages. He was decent years beforehand but those days are long gone and all he is getting by on is his name thanks to the BS way the British media continue to laud has beens long after they have ceased to be a decent player.

The sooner he is off the books and stops being an utter waste of the club's money the better.

kop77 · 18-04-2012 11:12AM

I wouldnt have him back either..... as a matter of interest who else on that Lille team would ye like to get in a swap + cash deal with Cole?

Kess73 wrote: »

Nope would not have him back. Have not forgotten the sight of him on the pitch puffing and wheezing, coupled with his utter lack of pace and effort.

He has not been the massive success in France that some of the media would like people to believe. He has scored one goal more in the French league than he did in the Premier league for Liverpool, and a couple of cup games against weaker teams have padded out his stats a lot in terms of goals.

He also seems to struggle badly with fitness and the pace of the game.

He has had 26 starts and 11 sub appearances since going to France. But of his 26 starts, he has been subbed off 20 times.

From the few stats I've seen he generally was taken off with 20 - 30 minutes left and when he was coming on it was for the last couple of minutes....... not seen any of Lilles games but make what you will of it.

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 11:13AM

kop77 wrote: »

I wouldnt have him back either..... as a matter of interest who else on that Lille team would ye like to get in a swap + cash deal with Cole?

From the few stats I've seen he generally was taken off with 20 - 30 minutes left and when he was coming on it was for the last couple of minutes....... not seen any of Lilles games but make what you will of it.

Do ya really have to ask me of all people as to who I would want from that Lille team?

I don't think Lille will want to keep him though, so either Liverpool find some other club to take Cole, or they will be stuck with him.

Yakult · 18-04-2012 11:15AM

Kess73 wrote: »

Do ya really have to ask me of all people as to who I would want from that Lille team?

I don't think Lille will want to keep him though, so either Liverpool find some other club to take Cole, or they will be stuck with him.

Who could we get realistically tho?

Cartman78 · 18-04-2012 11:16AM

Don't want to see Joke Hole back next season.

As others have said, he has nothing to offer at this stage & would only possibly impede the development of younger players.

missingtime · 18-04-2012 11:17AM

Kess73 wrote: »

Do ya really have to ask me of all people as to who I would want from that Lille team?

I don't think Lille will want to keep him though, so either Liverpool find some other club to take Cole, or they will be stuck with him.

kop77 · 18-04-2012 11:19AM

Kess73 wrote: »

Do ya really have to ask me of all people as to who I would want from that Lille team?

I don't think Lille will want to keep him though, so either Liverpool find some other club to take Cole, or they will be stuck with him.

Should have said who except Hazard from that Lille team....

anyways Hazard wont be coming our way..:(

Nuri Sahin · 18-04-2012 11:24AM

Kess73 wrote: »

Nope would not have him back. Have not forgotten the sight of him on the pitch puffing and wheezing, coupled with his utter lack of pace and effort.

He has not been the massive success in France that some of the media would like people to believe. He has scored one goal more in the French league than he did in the Premier league for Liverpool, and a couple of cup games against weaker teams have padded out his stats a lot in terms of goals.

He also seems to struggle badly with fitness and the pace of the game.

He has had 26 starts and 11 sub appearances since going to France. But of his 26 starts, he has been subbed off 20 times.

Completely forgot about his fitness issues for us. Put some energy into the first 10, 20 mins of a match for us (I'm being kind) and just completely trail off afterwards. Only the Arsenal game (someone can correct me wrong if he actually impressed in any other notable game) did he ever show consistent quality for a somewhat long spell during a single game for us. I'd rather have Luis or Yossi back before having him!

He did have a couple of very good games for Lille midway through the season that had me doubting my judgement of him but other than that, all English media hype over rather average performances.

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 11:26AM

Yakult wrote: »

Who could we get realistically tho?

Well over the past few seasons they have had some pretty good players leave for very realistic prices that I would have loved to have seen at Liverpool.

Players like Sow, Raimi, Cabaye, and Bastos. None of those players went to clubs that Liverpool could not have competed with, similar to how the likes of Turan, Defour, Toulalan etc all went in recent times for very modest fees.

Shaqiri is another that was sold for a very low price, but seeing as Bayern were the buying club it is easy to see why he decided on them.

To me it suggests that we simply are not competing for those players or similar types and are just looking closer to home for the majority of signings which end up costing many many times the amount of the foreign counterparts.

To put our spending into context. Sow, Raimi, Cabaye, and Bastos combined cost €44m or roughly £36m. Andy Carroll on his own cost only £1m less at £35m.

Kess73 · 18-04-2012 11:27AM

kop77 wrote: »

Should have said who except Hazard from that Lille team....

anyways Hazard wont be coming our way..:(

The other players I wanted from that Lille team over the past few seasons have gone for pretty cheap prices, so other than Hazard they have nobody I would be desperate to see at Liverpool.

redzerdrog · 18-04-2012 11:28AM

eldwaro wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/20seasons

and this is something ye all might like to play with.

Serious lack of sami hyypia in the cb options:mad:

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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