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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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  • #3032
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Torres would go missing for 80 mins of games with liverpool, but then score out of nothing, Trouble is at Chelsea he does not get that chance,
    We played him if fit, FULL STOP!
    Chelsea won't do that, Their loss,

    If you can keep it tight 0-0 or 1-1 then he's man to have on pitch,
    At chelsea taken off before he get that chance to do something out of the blue, or never on pitch in first place

    People forget what he was like at Liverpool, they look at vids and see all the goals and think he was dominating other teams for 90 mins,
    He was a ghost most of the time at Liverpool, No where in game,
    Yet could win it for you, as he was always played regardless
    first name on team sheet,

    He's a victim of circumstance at chelsea, If he was still at liverpool no way would he see the bench when fit,!

    Should be good final, I'd rather Chelsea, after what spurs did to us at white heart lane,, That could leave mental scars lol


  • #3033
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    Leiva wrote: »
    Drenthe rumors gathering pace .

    What do people think ?

    For me he is one of those players that will be a massive hit or a massive flop with no in between.

    He like many others that didn't cut the mustard at Real will eventually show their true potential at another club (ala Snijder) or be a right flop and become a journey man .

    Worth a punt at the right price and a definite upgrade on the likes of Adam.

    He's available on a free as far as I know.

    He has pace which we are currently lacking.

    He would be an upgrade on Kuyt IMO.

    Madrid once paid €14m for him so he can't be that bad and we've seen alot of Real Madrid rejects like Van Der Vaart and Sneijder turn out good once they left.

    He can also fill in it at left back which would be useful if Aurelio leaves.


  • #3034
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Torres would go missing for 80 mins of games with liverpool, but then score out of nothing, Trouble is at Chelsea he does not get that chance,
    We played him if fit, FULL STOP!
    Chelsea won't do that, Their loss,

    If you can keep it tight 0-0 or 1-1 then he's man to have on pitch,
    At chelsea taken off before he get that chance to do something out of the blue, or never on pitch in first place

    People forget what he was like at Liverpool, they look at vids and see all the goals and think he was dominating other teams for 90 mins,
    He was a ghost most of the time at Liverpool, No where in game,
    Yet could win it for you, as he was always played regardless
    first name on team sheet,

    He's a victim of circumstance at chelsea, If he was still at liverpool no way would he see the bench when fit,!

    Should be good final, I'd rather Chelsea, after what spurs did to us at white heart lane,, That could leave mental scars lol



    This is a joke yea?


  • #3035
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Vidic wakes up screaming when Torres goes BOO!*

















    *not these days of course.


  • #3036
    delw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭delw


    djPSB wrote: »
    Couldn't care less about the league game as long as we beat them in the Final.
    If it was Spurs in the final would you care about the league game?


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  • #3037
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    every single one of ye who has been putting torres down over the last few pages better be touching every last bit of wood ye can find. (and i dont mean yer special feelings for the man)


  • #3038
    djPSB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭djPSB


    delw wrote: »
    If it was Spurs in the final would you care about the league game?

    Obviously it would be nice to win it but the league game has little relevance on our season now.

    The Cup Final is far more important. Season defining.


  • #3039
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Suarez says more please


  • #3040
    OwaynOTT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,636 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    mike65 wrote: »
    Suarez says more please

    Fu@kin' love Suarez! Not for that article but for the desire he has to win and how much he cares about trying to make sure the team win. I think Andy Carroll should put up that gif of him celebrating in the crowd with Aurelio.


  • #3041
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    mike65 wrote: »
    Suarez says more please

    wouldnt consider this as shocking or anything. he never said any different


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  • #3042
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    That Drenthe has serious disciplinary problems apparently, that's why he hasn't been playing lately at Everton. I like him when he fancies playing, but he's off the boil a lot. A 1 game in every 5 type player IMO.

    If I was Liverpool I wouldn't even bother taking the risk.


  • #3043
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    SlickRic wrote: »
    and well done Andy Carroll. a lot has been said about him, and a lot will continue to be, but a lesser man would've shirked getting into the positions he did yesterday after the couple of misses. it took balls to keep getting in there. a great winner, and i hope he remembers it for a long time.

    and i hope it gets him a run of starts now.

    Always thought it was a matter of getting his confidence back. He seems to have it in abundance naturally, I think personally his low was the penalty miss in the LC, if I remember correctly. He'd the balls to go and demand it, the miss was just demoralising.

    Its a matter of restoring a lad totally lacking in confidence, who thrives on it, to being a worker, giving a different dimension to the team and get him back to scoring goals regularly.

    Hence the bewilderment by many at bringing him on as a 80th minute sub! You don't bring on demoralised, confidence players in the 89th minute!

    Thinking more and more about the league collapse points me to the Suarez ban, and not the lack of Suarez, the lack of conviction by the management in Carroll. Playing him now for 90 minutes seems an act of desperation by the management, not something they had any idea of in January. I worry why that is.

    As for comparing Torres to Carroll, Rush or Torres?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3044
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    K-9 wrote: »
    Always thought it was a matter of getting his confidence back. He seems to have it in abundance naturally, I think personally his low was the penalty miss in the LC, if I remember correctly. He'd the balls to go and demand it, the miss was just demoralising.

    Its a matter of restoring a lad totally lacking in confidence, who thrives on it, to being a worker, giving a different dimension to the team and get him back to scoring goals regularly.

    Hence the bewilderment by many at bringing him on as a 80th minute sub! You don't bring on demoralised, confidence players in the 89th minute!

    Thinking more and more about the league collapse points me to the Suarez ban, and not the lack of Suarez, the lack of conviction by the management in Carroll. Playing him now for 90 minutes seems an act of desperation by the management, not something they had any idea of in January. I worry why that is.

    As for comparing Torres to Carroll, Rush or Torres?

    here here...

    i remember when suarez was out...but just about to come back...and carroll was just starting to look sharp and he got put out of the team again...couldnt understand it.

    but now he's showing why you should leave him on for 90 mins...cos his game, no matter how bad 89 mins may be, offers that 1 moment of danger.

    now im still weary of the 'turning the corner syndrome' but he is definitely making strides...has anyone imagined how sweet it would be if he really made the transition to being class...


  • #3045
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    The main thing now is to hope he gets a good run of games and sticks in a few more goals so we have a better chance of selling him in the summer.


  • #3046
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    The main thing now is to hope he gets a good run of games and sticks in a few more goals so we have a better chance of selling him in the summer.

    hmmmmm....i believe you're one of his biggest critics and don't know if serious or not.


  • #3047
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    The main thing now is to hope he gets a good run of games and sticks in a few more goals so we have a better chance of selling him in the summer.

    Yeah, that extra Million or 2 will come in handy.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3048
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    eldwaro wrote: »
    hmmmmm....i believe you're one of his biggest critics and don't know if serious or not.

    Of course I am serious, not sure I see any reason to keep him and refuse a £15m offer.
    K-9 wrote: »
    Yeah, that extra Million or 2 will come in handy.



    Up until recently we'd have be doing well to even get £10m for him. Ideall we'll be able to get £15m for him if he continues scoring. Still probably unlikely though.


  • #3049
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Of course I am serious, not sure I see any reason to keep him and refuse a £15m offer.





    Up until recently we'd have be doing well to even get £10m for him. Ideall we'll be able to get £15m for him if he continues scoring. Still probably unlikely though.

    so do you see absolutely no good in keeping him? im not caught up in sentimental rose glasses here either. the man still has a lot to do. but surely a fa cup, 87th minute goal, against everton has bought andy a little more time.


  • #3050
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Chucky the tree wrote: »

    Up until recently we'd have be doing well to even get £10m for him. Ideall we'll be able to get £15m for him if he continues scoring. Still probably unlikely though.

    Its a huge transfer write down which will effect profits significantly.

    Enough American speak for you?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #3051
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    eldwaro wrote: »
    so do you see absolutely no good in keeping him? im not caught up in sentimental rose glasses here either. the man still has a lot to do. but surely a fa cup, 87th minute goal, against everton has bought andy a little more time.


    Not really. Even look at the highlights video on the other page, not exactly many positive highlights. Most involves us hoofing the ball up to him and him trying to flick it on, that's not what I want to see us doing all the time. Apart from that he wasn't great, some good touches/flicks and some terrible ones in there aswell.
    K-9 wrote: »
    Its a huge transfer write down which will effect profits significantly.

    Enough American speak for you?


    Not really. At the end of the day if the Yanks want CL football(bigger porfits) we won't be getting it with Andy Carroll has our main striker.


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  • #3052
    delw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭delw


    djPSB wrote: »
    Obviously it would be nice to win it but the league game has little relevance on our season now.

    The Cup Final is far more important. Season defining.
    No arguments there but no reason why we can't win both


  • #3053
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Not really. Even look at the highlights video on the other page, not exactly many positive highlights. Most involves us hoofing the ball up to him and him trying to flick it on, that's not what I want to see us doing all the time. Apart from that he wasn't great, some good touches/flicks and some terrible ones in there aswell.




    Not really. At the end of the day if the Yanks want CL football(bigger porfits) we won't be getting it with Andy Carroll as our main striker.

    so what harm in keeping him instead of forking out another 10-20 mil for a back up? when that 10-20 mil plus some more could but us our new number 1 striker.


  • #3054
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,096 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Suarez on 14 goals for the season. Again, could easily hit 20 in what has been a so-so year for him personally and for the club. Put him in a working team with a fluid attack and he will score bucket-loads. Seven assists this season too.


  • #3055
    El Inho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Tusky wrote: »
    Suarez on 14 goals for the season. Again, could easily hit 20 in what has been a so-so year for him personally and for the club. Put him in a working team with a fluid attack and he will score bucket-loads.

    yeah, but when league is priority you have to factor in two full cup runs.

    don't get me wrong though...he has been one of our best this season, but this season didnt set that bar very high.

    one thing for sure though, when that bar is raised, you can be sure suarez steps his game up too.

    EDIT

    Sorry I kinda glanced at your message...you pretty much said what i said.


  • #3056
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    eldwaro wrote: »
    so what harm in keeping him instead of forking out another 10-20 mil for a back up? when that 10-20 mil plus some more could but us our new number 1 striker.



    Well when you sell Carroll you can just use that money on a back-up striker.


  • #3057
    Jayob10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    Paully D wrote: »
    That Drenthe has serious disciplinary problems apparently, that's why he hasn't been playing lately at Everton. I like him when he fancies playing, but he's off the boil a lot. A 1 game in every 5 type player IMO.

    If I was Liverpool I wouldn't even bother taking the risk.

    Definately a spikey character, seems to be happy now he has achieved millionaire status aswell.

    But he has undoubted potential. This is a signing that could make sense provided theres no transfer fee and wages are not obscene.

    Light a fire under this guy and he could be superb.

    Liverpool have a habit of buying guys who have overachieved. Spending big on the back of 1 or at a stretch, 2 decent seasons. Think of any player this season who has been good and no doubt we'll be linked to spending big money on them.

    Sinclair, Sessegnon, Joe Allen, Ba etc...... all players who are at the peak of their powers. Possible overachievers and we'll bid more for them than they will ever be worth.

    See Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Adam for further evidence of this.

    Madrid have some amount of cast offs that are actually top class players. Lads who will not get within an asses roar of being first team regulars there. Players who can be world beaters at clubs where they can be treated like "the man".

    Granero
    Sahin
    Albiol
    Diarra
    Canales
    Drenthe
    Gago
    Pedro Leon

    That above list is just for starters. I'd take Sahin and Canales in a heartbeat if they were available. Although Canales was unfortunate to do his cruciate whilst on loan at Valencia. He is definately a top class prospect though.


  • #3058
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,869 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Cup finals I can remember us losing.

    1985 European Cup - Didn't realise the real horror of the occasion at the time as I was only 8.
    1987 Littlewoods Cup - First time we lost when Rushie scored in his last game before moving to Italy.
    1988 FA Cup - I still can't believe to this day that we lost that game.
    1996 FA Cup - This one hurt almost as much as the memory of those white suits.
    2005 League Cup - Less memories of this than the games above mostly.
    2007 European Cup - Devastated. Made the trip and thought we were the better team.

    Have there been other final disappointments in that time frame other than those? Obviously I could check the records to be sure, but off the top of my head unless I've blanked them out I don't think so. Not a bad record considering the ones we did win.


  • #3059
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    Nope, that's all the defeats alright!


  • #3060
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    This is a joke yea?

    Bad memory, ? Come on , All the years he was there he would be lost in games, Then only needed a chance, to break defenders hearts,
    That's the man i remember, Its not a insult, its a compliment of how good a poacher he was, He would always get his chance in a game, and mostly taken them

    You knew no matter how quite he was, He remained on pitch and could win it for you,
    And played every game when fit,


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  • #3061
    daithijjj
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,588 ✭✭✭daithijjj


    Paul McCartney is doing a concert in Montevideo Uruguay right now.

    Aqj5poHCIAAX6aW.jpg

    He brought up Liverpool FC and Luis Suarez. Explosion of applause.


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