Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

phog · 12-04-2012 09:50PM

totallegend wrote: »

An asset is anything that has value or can create profit, doesn't necessarily have to be a commodity that can be sold.

If Munster can rent it out for concerts and so forth and plough that money into the team, that can only be good. Does it have conference facilities or anything like that? Only problem is I presume their repayment schedule is based on an assumption of a certain level of success...

Their main conference room is the one is used for their corporate functions on match day, the room that runs from between the 10m and the 22m lines on both ends of the field. From what I can see this seems to be used a couple of days/evenings a week, at night times they switch on the flood lights so that the field is lit up during some of the functions. As well as this they have the Presidents Suite, a good bit smaller but still seems to attract users.

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jm08 · 12-04-2012 09:52PM

totallegend wrote: »

An asset is anything that has value or can create profit, doesn't necessarily have to be a commodity that can be sold.

If Munster can rent it out for concerts and so forth and plough that money into the team, that can only be good. Does it have conference facilities or anything like that? Only problem is I presume their repayment schedule is based on an assumption of a certain level of success...

http://www.thomondpark.ie/

It has a museum, does stadium tours, conference facilites (google have used it), banquets. They even do weddings.

edit: phog you just got there before me.

Otacon · 13-04-2012 07:56AM

jm08 wrote: »

They even do weddings.

My brother was going to use it only for the fact that his reception was on the weekend of the Magners Final last year.

Instead we stayed at the Clarion in Limerick and the Munster team happened to be staying there.

Back on-topic, I'm amazed it doesn't host more concerts.

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 09:14AM

problem with planning thats why there aren't more concerts. Can only have a limited capacity, too big for small gigs and too small for the big ones!

Can't remember who said it couldn't be sold but that is rubbish, of course it could be sold. If it is generating sufficient income it could be an attractive investment for a fund depending on the price and the associated risk.

Amazotheamazing · 13-04-2012 10:48AM

NikNak8 wrote: »

problem with planning thats why there aren't more concerts. Can only have a limited capacity, too big for small gigs and too small for the big ones!

Can't remember who said it couldn't be sold but that is rubbish, of course it could be sold. If it is generating sufficient income it could be an attractive investment for a fund depending on the price and the associated risk.

Planning isn't a problem for concerts, the recession is.

phog · 13-04-2012 10:51AM

NikNak8 wrote: »

problem with planning thats why there aren't more concerts. Can only have a limited capacity, too big for small gigs and too small for the big ones!

Can't remember who said it couldn't be sold but that is rubbish, of course it could be sold. If it is generating sufficient income it could be an attractive investment for a fund depending on the price and the associated risk.

In what way is it too small for big concerts or too big for small concerts - what kind of numbers are you talking about for them?

phog · 13-04-2012 10:52AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Planning isn't a problem for concerts, the recession is.

I think the local authority has a restriction on the number of outdoor concerts that can be held in Thomond Park and the Gaelic Grounds.

buck65 · 13-04-2012 11:13AM

Yeah the restriction is the acts must be
1- Washed up
2- Crap
3- from Limerick

i,.e Elton John, Rod Stewart, Pink, JSL, Pink, Cranberries etc.

Timothy Bryce · 13-04-2012 01:35PM

http://brendanfanningrugby.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/umaga-favourite-for-munster-job/

Tana Umaga is first in line to succeed Tony McGahan as Munster coach. The former All Black captain is on a shortlist of three with Canterbury’s ITM coach Rob Penney, and local hero Anthony Foley.

So what do Munster do next? Either they take the search further afield or they choose between Umaga and Penney as partner for Foley. Penney has been passed over a few times at Super Rugby level – though some in Canterbury think he is outstanding – and is pretty much nailed on as a forwards coach. Umaga earned his stellar reputation as an awesome centre, and took up thereafter as a backs coach, which would make him a more comfortable fit with Foley. Either way, the former number eight will be on the ticket.

The problem is that Umaga doesn’t have much of a track record as a coach. There was the Toulon experience in 2008 which needed Philippe Saint Andre to come and rescue from relegation, with Umaga putting his boots back on and playing a useful part on the field.

And since then it extends only to Counties Manakau in New Zealand’s ITM Cup. He went back there last year to assist head coach Milton Haig, ending up mid-table in that competition’s second division. He is due to take over as head coach for this season’s campaign which kicks off in August. Well, not if he’s coming to Munster he won’t.

Umaga would have immediate gravitas with the players simply for what he achieved on the rugby field. And there is a history here of hiring coaches with limited track records. When Michael Cheika came to Leinster nobody had ever heard of him, and when Joe Schmidt succeeded him it was with no experience as head coach.

In wildly different ways both won Heineken Cups. The Schmidt method is so successful that Munster players want the same. In Irish camp they hear their Leinster colleagues banging on about how their coach has changed the way they play and wonder when it will be their turn.

So can Umaga do that? Could be fit in to the Munster way? For sure he would add extra spice to the relationship with Leinster given the leg up himself and Keven Mealamu gave Brian O’Driscoll in 2005. Viewed in the light of how these tackles are treated nowadays it’s like a scene from the wild west.

Certainly Munster could have got more experience and a different way of doing things had they run with John Kirwan, who I understand they interviewed, and knocked back. And they could have got a whole lot more experience still had they even taken the time to interview Eddie O’Sullivan, which they didn’t. Hard to fathom, that

Interesting if true.

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 02:25PM

phog wrote: »

In what way is it too small for big concerts or too big for small concerts - what kind of numbers are you talking about for them?

Stadium only has planning to hold 26,000 people regardless of the event.

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 02:35PM

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

http://brendanfanningrugby.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/umaga-favourite-for-munster-job/

Interesting if true.

If it is true I assume they will be giving Axel the job and bringing Umanga in as backs coach. Smells like a cheaper option and might work and is still high profile.

Clegg · 13-04-2012 02:45PM

Umaga would be a good backs coach but I don't know how good he'd be as head coach.

Could be a disaster for Munster if this is actually true.

They should really try to get Penney. Hes very highly regarded in New Zealand.

phog · 13-04-2012 02:45PM

NikNak8 wrote: »

Stadium only has planning to hold 26,000 people regardless of the event.

That's either incorrect or the Munster Branch or Thomond Park stadium have broken the regulations numerous times, as extra seating have been added behind both endline areas to increase capactity to about 26,500

I still don't see your original point on it being too small for some and too large for others as being correct, it may never hold a festival type concert but for one day type concerts its fine, imho.

phog · 13-04-2012 02:47PM

buck65 wrote: »

Yeah the restriction is the acts must be
1- Washed up
2- Crap
3- from Limerick

i,.e Elton John, Rod Stewart, Pink, JSL, Pink, Cranberries etc.

all those are from Limerick, never knew that. :rolleyes:

phog · 13-04-2012 02:50PM

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

http://brendanfanningrugby.wordpress.com/2012/04/13/umaga-favourite-for-munster-job/

Interesting if true.

It mentions in your quote that he nearly brought Toulon to it's knees, I'm not sure he's the guy we want, he may have learnt his lessons or be a great backs coach but I'd prefer they'd try someone else for head coach.

Clegg · 13-04-2012 02:51PM

Bring back Eddie!!!

thomond2006 · 13-04-2012 03:03PM

Eddie has a lot of baggage in Irish Rugby, that goes against him IMO.

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 03:09PM

phog wrote: »

That's either incorrect or the Munster Branch or Thomond Park stadium have broken the regulations numerous times, as extra seating have been added behind both endline areas to increase capactity to about 26,500

I still don't see your original point on it being too small for some and too large for others as being correct, it may never hold a festival type concert but for one day type concerts its fine, imho.

I remember reading about it somewhere but cant remember where. Think it might have been the Leader or another local. Most of the larger acts will not go to a venue if it can't hold > 40,000 and the stadium is too big for smaller acts as 10,000 would be lost in it.

Clegg · 13-04-2012 03:10PM

I know hes not friendly with certain people with Irish rugby but for a few years he had us playing some great stuff.

He'd certainly do a much better job with Munsters backplay. Of course he is a very conservative coach, which is something Munster want to avoid. He should only be approached as a last resort.

Rob Penney could a shrewd appointment he is regarded very highly in New Zealand provincial rugby. And he isn't very high profile as he doesn't coach a Super 15 team.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 13-04-2012 03:12PM

Clegg wrote: »

Rob Penney could a shrewd appointment he is regarded very highly in New Zealand and he isn't very high profile as he doesn't coach a Super 15 team.

What I don't like about Penney is that he is a specialist forwards coach and he will most likely try to his stamp on the forwards leaving the backs under the control of Holland and marginalising Foley. I would rather someone with backs coach experience to come in marginalise Holland and leave Foley to get on with things in the pack.

Timothy Bryce · 13-04-2012 03:15PM

phog wrote: »

It mentions in your quote that he nearly brought Toulon to it's knees, I'm not sure he's the guy we want, he may have learnt his lessons or be a great backs coach but I'd prefer they'd try someone else for head coach.

I read his autobiography a few years back when I was in NZ and he came across as not having his head screwed on properly. His commentary around the O'Driscoll tackle is a great example.

I also thought he would have kicked on to bigger and better things when he moved to Toulon but obviously this wasn't the case.

I agree, he may be a bit too 'out there' to be a head coach of a top NH side. Might make a decent backs coach as already mentioned.

phog · 13-04-2012 03:18PM

NikNak8 wrote: »

I remember reading about it somewhere but cant remember where. Think it might have been the Leader or another local. Most of the larger acts will not go to a venue if it can't hold > 40,000 and the stadium is too big for smaller acts as 10,000 would be lost in it.

22K at Elton John and about 23K at PINK, what would the concert promoters pay for the use of the stadium and what would Munster make from food and beverages.

However, the concert boss professed himself happy with the attendance, which he placed between 22,000-23,000 and said it was a "massive, magnificent show".

A couple of concerts with this capacity every year would surely keep the revenue ticking over, better than lying idle.

leftleg · 13-04-2012 03:20PM

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

I read his autobiography a few years back when I was in NZ and he came across as not having his head screwed on properly. His commentary around the O'Driscoll tackle is a great example.

I also thought he would have kicked on to bigger and better things when he moved to Toulon but obviously this wasn't the case.

I agree, he may be a bit too 'out there' to be a head coach of a top NH side. Might make a decent backs coach as already mentioned.

I just don't think hell fit in and if true that he is even being considered seriously, then id say there are other coaches out there who can feel very hard done by. In terms of coaching credentials he brings very little to the table.

Clegg · 13-04-2012 03:22PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

What I don't like about Penney is that he is a specialist forwards coach and he will most likely try to his stamp on the forwards leaving the backs under the control of Holland and marginalising Foley. I would rather someone with backs coach experience to come in marginalise Holland and leave Foley to get on with things in the pack.

This is very true. But the other possible coaches that are being mentioned wouldn't fill you with much confidence.

Penney seems to be the best out of that bunch.

Amazotheamazing · 13-04-2012 03:25PM

I'd rather Rua Tipoki as backs coach than Umaga if we're going for relatively unproven guys.

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 03:30PM

phog wrote: »

22K at Elton John and about 23K at PINK, what would the concert promoters pay for the use of the stadium and what would Munster make from food and beverages.

A couple of concerts with this capacity every year would surely keep the revenue ticking over, better than lying idle.

They would do good for Munster but the promoters and act would not make enough to justify not playing somewhere else.
Hopefully we'll get some next year!

NikNak8 · 13-04-2012 03:33PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I'd rather Rua Tipoki as backs coach than Umaga if we're going for relatively unproven guys.

Sounds like we could be in line for a Foley/Howlett Combo. Might be worth a try for a season, problem is that if the performances/results aren't there then attendances will drop even further than they did this season!

yosser hughes · 13-04-2012 03:33PM

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned it already apologies if it has. Has Brian McLoughlin been considered for the Munster job? If not,why not?

Clegg · 13-04-2012 03:34PM

I'd be very wary of a Foley/Howlett coaching team.

They have no real experience and they're much too close to the players.

thomond2006 · 13-04-2012 03:36PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

I'm not sure if someone has mentioned it already apologies if it has. Has Brian McLoughlin been considered for the Munster job? If not,why not?

He's got a permanent contract to run the Ulster academy after this season.

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