Sweden crying out for engineers and IT people. Where's all the Irish?

franciebellew · 05-04-2012 03:31PM #1

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

wes · 05-04-2012 03:31PM

There is the same need here at least in the IT industry.

srsly78 · 05-04-2012 03:31PM

We're all in London, the pay is much better. Sweden can fsck off with it's taxes.

AngryBollix · 05-04-2012 03:32PM

franciebellew wrote: »

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

Theyre in Australia

IM0 · 05-04-2012 03:32PM

learning sweedish obviously

franciebellew · 05-04-2012 03:34PM

srsly78 wrote: »

We're all in London, the pay is much better. Sweden can fsck off with it's taxes.

Higher tax agreed but still a lot more Money in the arse pocket, way better crèches for kids for nothing and loads more holidays

Sleepy · 05-04-2012 03:36PM

Trying to find jobs with their Irish language and Religion skills obviously!

srsly78 · 05-04-2012 03:37PM

franciebellew wrote: »

Higher tax agreed but still a lot more Money in the arse pocket, way better crèches for kids for nothing and loads more holidays

Wayyy less money. Also IT contractors don't get holidays :pac:

Zulu · 05-04-2012 03:38PM

Where are the ads? My bro is over there - I'd follow like a hotsnot if I got the oppertunity.

Anyone · 05-04-2012 03:39PM

Expensive place to live, crap licensing laws, ****ty 20 hour dark days in winter.

Nice women though!

The reason why Sweden has these labour shortages is because most Swedish with the relevant skills go to work elsewhere(Norway mostly)

pragmatic1 · 05-04-2012 03:47PM

There's a huge shortage of IT people and engineers in this country too. You should check out what grads fresh out of college are earning in those two areas. The job situation for IT, engineering and to a lesser extent science, isn't too bad atm.

Cork boy 55 · 05-04-2012 03:49PM

franciebellew wrote: »

With the huge demand for engineers, programmers and IT specialists in Sweden I'm surprised there's no Irish coming over?

Is it the same back home? Is everyone working in these professions?

no link por u
no irish speaka swedalingo

Zulu · 05-04-2012 03:49PM

Yeah but that rates here don't reflet that. Companies are using the recession to drive down costs.

c_man · 05-04-2012 03:51PM

Big shortage here as well. I have no firm figures but have a few friends over there and the money is better here.

Elvis_Presley · 05-04-2012 03:53PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

There's a huge shortage of IT people and engineers in this country too. You should check out what grads fresh out of college are earning in those two areas. The job situation for IT, engineering and to a lesser extent science, isn't too bad atm.

What planet are you on? Life is difficult for graduate engineers- especially civils. In my graduating class of '09, of 120 students, less than 10 currently live in Ireland. And IT is all about experience - true starting salaries are OK, but not the big bucks being made a few years ago.

stupidusername · 05-04-2012 03:55PM

there may be jobs in IT in this country, but they're obviously choosey feckers. I can't get an unpaid job in it :mad:

pragmatic1 · 05-04-2012 03:57PM

Elvis_Presley wrote: »

What planet are you on? Life is difficult for graduate engineers- especially civils. In my graduating class of '09, of 120 students, less than 10 currently live in Ireland. And IT is all about experience - true starting salaries are OK, but not the big bucks being made a few years ago.

All the lads I went to college with doing engineering have jobs. You should have a look at the starting salaries for IT grads, no other sector has entry level salaries that high.

Zulu · 05-04-2012 03:59PM

I dunno man, my next door neightbour is an engineer. Graduated about 2 years now. Himself & the larger chunk of his class are in Aus now. Made redundant. No jobs.

Are we all talking about the same type of engineering... Civil engineers are NOT IT engineers.

srsly78 · 05-04-2012 03:59PM

stupidusername wrote: »

there may be jobs in IT in this country, but they're obviously choosey feckers. I can't get an unpaid job in it :mad:

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

stupidusername · 05-04-2012 04:01PM

srsly78 wrote: »

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

ah...didn't realise that was a requirement.

one place I interviewed with, when I asked why they were looking for an intern (JobBridge) they said purely financial reasons, they wanted someone good but couldn't afford to pay them. told me that they'd a lot of applicants, and took on someone else. two weeks later the ad is back up, still looking for an intern. obviously no one with enough experience was willing to work for free.

pragmatic1 · 05-04-2012 04:02PM

Zulu wrote: »

I dunno man, my next door neightbour is an engineer. Graduated about 2 years now. Himself & the larger chunk of his class are in Aus now. Made redundant. No jobs.

Are we all talking about the same type of engineering... Civil engineers are NOT IT engineers.

Most I know did electronic and mechanical engineering.

Zulu · 05-04-2012 04:03PM

srsly78 wrote: »

You must not meet the basic requirement of having a pulse.

No need for that.
It's highly unlikely I'd take on someone advertising labour for free to work on a project I was managing. Too much libality, and too much time to invest in training.

@stupidusername good luck looking for work - it is all about experience. If you can't get dev work - try the test route. You could get beta test/UAT test work at a low rate to build up a couple years of experience. Then try and get into system test.
I can't offer you a job I'm afraid, but I'll give you any help/advice i can.

stupidusername · 05-04-2012 04:11PM

Zulu wrote: »

No need for that.
It's highly unlikely I'd take on someone advertising labour for free to work on a project I was managing. Too much libality, and too much time to invest in training.

@stupidusername good luck looking for work - it is all about experience. If you can't get dev work - try the test route. You could get beta test/UAT test work at a low rate to build up a couple years of experience. Then try and get into system test.
I can't offer you a job I'm afraid, but I'll give you any help/advice i can.

thanks, but even testing jobs are all about experience.

Sleepy · 05-04-2012 04:15PM

Support Desk for a software company is another good route into IT. The team I started with are variously working as implementation consultants, technical consultants, project managers, Sales / Pre Sales or BI Consultants.

Try on-spec applications to software companies you see doing well. e.g. when you see a big 'deal done' announcement for SAP etc. contact SAP and see if they're looking for junior support / implementation / UAT roles etc.

When I was leaving college in 2003 that's how I was the first person in our class to get work: I actively looked for it rather than looking for adverts for grad programmes.

Zulu · 05-04-2012 04:19PM

stupidusername wrote: »

thanks, but even testing jobs are all about experience.

I know, but you've more hope getting a test job for free than a dev job.

As Sleepy says, support desk also is a great route.

cocoshovel · 05-04-2012 04:20PM

Mayve becasue the Irish are deluded into thinking an ECDL qualification is a good IT work force!

I jest I jest :pac:

Red_Wake · 05-04-2012 04:21PM

How difficult can it be to get an IT job? I had one before I even did my final year exams, and so did a fair few of my classmates (and we couldn't all be top of our class:p).

stupidusername · 05-04-2012 04:22PM

Zulu wrote: »

I know, but you've more hope getting a test job for free than a dev job.

As Sleepy says, support desk also is a great route.

oh there's next to no intern test jobs!

i would do support desk, but ...i do hate people quite a bit. i will go for them though.

Red_Wake wrote: »

How difficult can it be to get an IT job? I had one before I even did my final year exams, and so did a fair few of my classmates (and we couldn't all be top of our class:p).

and what's an 'IT job' to you?

srsly78 · 05-04-2012 04:24PM

People posting here obviously have a computer and the internets , that's all you need to train or work in IT. Create your own job if needed. Write some smartphone apps, very low barrier to entry. Even if it doesn't sell (it probably won't) it will provide good experience and something to put on CV.

All you gotta do is write "hello world" app, then you can put "experienced android software developer" on cv :pac: (loads of feckers actually do this, if you can't beat them join them)

token101 · 05-04-2012 04:30PM

Their women are the business. But after the inevitable rejection for being amongst the ugliest people in the country, it would get dark at lunchtime, the offy would be closed, and you would be forced to trudge home in the dark through 6 feet of snow, sober as a judge. After the first month the boredom would make you mentally ill, and it wouldn't be much consolation that the healthcare is free.

srsly78 · 05-04-2012 04:32PM

token101 wrote: »

Their women are the business. But after the inevitable rejection for being amongst the ugliest people in the country, it would get dark at lunchtime, the offy would be closed, and you would be forced to trudge home in the dark through 6 feet of snow, sober as a judge. After the first month the boredom would make you mentally ill, and it wouldn't be much consolation that the healthcare is free.

But after that when you flip out and start killing people the prison/hospital they put you in will be really nice and have saunas etc.

Sweden crying out for engineers and IT people. Where's all the Irish?

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