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EV owner gathering - Sandyford

  • 04-04-2012 01:37PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭


    I just thought I'd share some pictures that were taken when a few EV owners met up in Sandyford Luas P+R on Saturday just gone. They have 3 X dual charging posts in one car park and another has 1 X dual charging post, so we thought it was a good place to meet and say hello in person.

    We had 5 Nissan's and one BMW EV. I enjoyed seeing 5 Leaf's in one place, but I think for me and everyone else the BMW EV was the most interesting car there!

    One of the guys there is doing 110km each way on his daily commute and absolutely loves his car. He also keeps a blog, some might find it an interesting read

    http://selfficiency.wordpress.com/

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  • Posts: 23,497 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sure there's a thread or a link to the build of that BMW on here somewhere :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    RoverJames wrote: »
    I'm sure there's a thread or a link to the build of that BMW on here somewhere :)

    Yes there is, the owner has a few hundred posts on Boards. Nice guy and he did a great job on the conversion of that BMW. Slightly envious that I wouldn't have the knowledge and skills to do what he has done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    110km each way / day in a Leaf ... jaysus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,770 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    110km each way / day in a Leaf ... jaysus.
    Isn't a Leaf quieter than an equivalent ICE?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Isn't a Leaf quieter than an equivalent ICE?

    I'm not talking about the comfort, more like you see a road closed sign and you can't drive around it becuase it adds KM's to your journey :)

    52000km / year in a Leaf, wonder how long it takes to go from 100% range down to 80% and you lose your ability to get to work on one charge.

    My current car is far cheaper to run than a leaf.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    I'm not talking about the comfort, more like you see a road closed sign and you can't drive around it becuase it adds KM's to your journey :)

    52000km / year in a Leaf, wonder how long it takes to go from 100% range down to 80% and you lose your ability to get to work on one charge.

    My current car is far cheaper to run than a leaf.

    The Leaf was available in Japan a good bit earlier than the rest of the world. I have heard one owner in Japan has already reached 250,000 kilometers on their Leaf by averaging 6 X fast charges per day. The car and battery were still going fine of course, the degradation I wasn't told except that it was what they expected. But to be honest that does seem reassuring to me as fast charging with 50kW is the hardest on the battery, doing it six times per day and still reaching 250,000 kilometers seems alright to me.

    Some of the owners I know have started getting their Leaf's serviced now as well. Some of them have asked to be shown the reading on the battery capacity the diagnostic comes back with. So far there has been zero degradation with the highest mileage I know about personally being 25,000 kilometers in the first year.

    The person in question has about 3 fast chargers along his route that he could use if he had to divert. The AA also carry 4kWh packs to charge you at the side of the road. I guess it would also depend on where the road was closed and how much of diversion a person had to take. No one I know is running into these issues though and the charging network becomes more extensive month after month.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    so we thought it was a good place to meet and say hello in person.


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    How did you say hello in person if you all wore white bags on your heads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    How did you say hello in person if you all wore white bags on your heads?

    We only put them on when we were taking pictures ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    The Leaf was available in Japan a good bit earlier than the rest of the world. I have heard one owner in Japan has already reached 250,000 kilometers on their Leaf by averaging 6 X fast charges per day. The car and battery were still going fine of course, the degradation I wasn't told except that it was what they expected. But to be honest that does seem reassuring to me as fast charging with 50kW is the hardest on the battery, doing it six times per day and still reaching 250,000 kilometers seems alright to me.

    250,000km on a car in Japan, who is this person, the Average mileage in Japan is incredibly low compared to Europe, around 10000km/year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    250,000km on a car in Japan, who is this person, the Average mileage in Japan is incredibly low compared to Europe, around 10000km/year.

    I don't think it would be unreasonable to say that the first people who buy electric cars may not conform to the average. I also can't offer you incontrovertible proof of what I say. Nissan are very interested in the feedback from Irish owners and in turn as a group of owners you could say we have demanded feedback from Nissan. If you choose not to believe me, I accept that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,770 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    I have to say, keithclancy, that your attitude to EV is coming across as more emotional than rational. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    Its not a pretty sight :(DEMOT1.JPG


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Compton wrote: »
    Its not a pretty sight :(DEMOT1.JPG

    Can I count on your support for an EV sub forum of Motoring so? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Compton


    Of course! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭galvo_clare


    My problem with electric cars is that the charging point seems to be at the front in most cases. Is the charging lead long enough to allow you to reverse into a space?
    Shouldn't there be at least the option of a charging point at the rear of the car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    My problem with electric cars is that the charging point seems to be at the front in most cases. Is the charging lead long enough to allow you to reverse into a space?
    Shouldn't there be at least the option of a charging point at the rear of the car?

    The BMW EV had a charging port on the front and the back. But yeah the cable that comes with the Leaf is very long, I think it would let you reverse in and stretch the cable around comfortably. I think the Renault Fluence ZE has two charging ports, one on each side as opposed to front or back. So it should also charge comfortably parked either way. If that's your only major gripe, I think you should go out and test drive one today ;)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Electric car meets just don't match regular car meets do they...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 711 ✭✭✭galvo_clare


    The BMW EV had a charging port on the front and the back. But yeah the cable that comes with the Leaf is very long, I think it would let you reverse in and stretch the cable around comfortably. I think the Renault Fluence ZE has two charging ports, one on each side as opposed to front or back. So it should also charge comfortably parked either way. If that's your only major gripe, I think you should go out and test drive one today ;)

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    I've driven the Leaf and enjoyed it but living in the Wesht means it's not a runner as yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    smash wrote: »
    Electric car meets just don't match regular car meets do they...

    ICE or EV, not everyone see's the same thing in the same car. We were happy anyway, I think that's all that really counts! It probably won't be that long before EV's start showing up at regular Boards motor meet-ups.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    smash wrote: »
    Electric car meets just don't match regular car meets do they...

    Well, a Tesla or Fisker model would have spruced it up visually, EVs or not.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,957 ✭✭✭GavMan


    RoverJames wrote: »
    I'm sure there's a thread or a link to the build of that BMW on here somewhere :)

    Anyone have a link to that? Can't seem to find it searching...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭September1


    smash wrote: »
    Electric car meets just don't match regular car meets do they...

    It's because hardly anyone bothers to come to regular car meet, while with EVs you get like good few % of ones registered in country...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,574 ✭✭✭Matt Simis


    September1 wrote: »
    It's because hardly anyone bothers to come to regular car meet, while with EVs you get like good few % of ones registered in country...

    Actually there are far more people at any "regular" car meet. Like 2-3times more cars..??!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito



    My current car is far cheaper to run than a leaf.

    Isnt motor tax and fuel really expensive in Holland? Unless you've taken the engine out and push it verywhere I dont see how it's possible.

    I'm goign to guess your figures are based on using depreciation on a car you bought for €1000 thats finished depreciating Vs buyign a brand new Leaf? If so that a large amount of number fudging and not as simple as is made out with a short staement that its cheaper to tun than a leaf.
    If you could take a brand new €30k Leaf and any new €30k ICE car and run it cheaper I'd be interested to see how.
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    I'd say you'd get an interestign reaction from the first Gard that spots that in the back if you drove around without the parcel shelf. :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭September1


    Matt Simis wrote: »
    Actually there are far more people at any "regular" car meet. Like 2-3times more cars..??!

    There are maybe in best case 200 EVs so 6 cars makes 3% of population, that would require 60.000 ICEs to make a comparable meet out of around 2m in Irish Republic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    I'd say you'd get an interestign reaction from the first Gard that spots that in the back if you drove around without the parcel shelf. :-)

    I hadn't thought about that, but I think it's possible they might act first and ask questions later :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 361 ✭✭Limbo123



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    What......... no subs???? ::eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,707 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I hope the BMW isn't running on Li-ions. It would make an impressive fireball if rear ended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 153 ✭✭Lutecia


    September1 wrote: »
    There are maybe in best case 200 EVs so 6 cars makes 3% of population, that would require 60.000 ICEs to make a comparable meet out of around 2m in Irish Republic.

    Good point! That's a great meet.
    This picture will have a nice flavour in a few years.

    Most people don't realize it, but EVs are today what petrol cars were 110-120 years ago.

    Back in the days, the first automobile drivers had the same range issue, and there were not many petrol stations around! Cars were slow and expensive, while with your good horse was faster and you could stop every few mile in a farm to feed him ;)

    History repeats itself and we should learn from that. Thanks to this crown of visionaries to be here to share that with us soon-or-later-followers :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭jackbauer


    @Limbo123 : Had to leave out the subs:) that said if the energy from that battery were channeled into an amp ... :eek:

    @stimpson : The battery is comprised of 192 Lithium Iron Phosphate cells. Unlike oxide cathode chemistries they do not release free oxygen during failure or impact damage and hence do not burn. And yes I have tested that myself. A lot. Although not as energy dense as the oxide cathodes they have incredible cycle life. Recent tests have seen them complete 8000 cycles and still kicking.

    Anyone interested in watching me make a complete ass of myself over a 2 year span can check out www.evbmw.com


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