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Parents in shock as priest displays gay porn images [article]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    That was hilarious, If I had been there I would have had convulsions from laughing. The priest must be mortified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Penn wrote: »
    It was on his USB stick (not on the computer itself, which means none of the school kids would have had access to it). He didn't seem to question how those images got on it. And who in their right minds would play such a 'practical joke' as you put it, on a priest.

    How do you know it was the priest's usb stick? He may have borrowed it!

    Well why hasn't that information come forward yet?

    Look, I don't think anything should happen to the priest. It was a simple mistake either way. And if he's proven innocent that he had no idea it was on the stick, fair enough. I don't care. There is nothing illegal here and it sounds like an honest mistake and I don't think he should be punished for it.

    But all these excuses and possible scenarios are just plain unnecessary. How do I know he didn't borrow the USB? I don't. But we have no information to say it wasn't. I'm just basing my opinion (and that's all it is, my opinion) on the information we do have. And with the information we do have, I don't see a problem with what he did. Just an unfortunate event.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    What's the big deal? It was clearly only an accident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭bensweeney


    What's the big deal? It was clearly only an accident.

    Becasue the way it is being reported means it will stick and could ruin the rest of his life. What if a person named you on boards.ie and said you were showing gay porn to children? how would you feel about it? future employers doing a job search and your name been linked with this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    How do you know it was the priest's usb stick? He may have borrowed it!
    Borrowed it from another priest. :confused:


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Putting aside the job role and speaking in general, such an incident might have a legal reaction. AFAIK a body like the HSE would have an obligation to be proactive when it comes to possible threats to children. This type of soft information would be on file and could be used if relevant in future vetting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    Congratulations HorH, you managed to thank a post that called a village priest a dirty bastard despite the Fact that there is no Evidence that he did anything illegal. How many years has this priest tried to help others, I think this is the same priest who helped the Irish in London when they ended up homeless. Why don't you stick to praising the sspx or post in the atheist forum, although intelligent atheists would tell you where you can stick your hatred of homosexuals.
    It would be better to ignore your posts but your negativity is an acid in this forum that eats through the page.
    If you have a problem with homosexual priests take it up with the 30%-60% of the hierarchy who deal with it in their own lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It was an obvious mistake on his part really, and it's certainly not the end of the world.

    Let's face it, so what if he's gay or looks at porn, it still seems that he's been a good person over the years.

    On the other hand, this is actually quite funny :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭Jenroche


    charlemont wrote: »
    That was hilarious, If I had been there I would have had convulsions from laughing. The priest must be mortified.

    Agreed. A real Father Ted moment. Remember the 'not a racist' slideshow? :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 676 ✭✭✭HamletOrHecuba


    If you have a problem with homosexual priests take it up with the 30%-60% of the hierarchy who deal with it in their own lives.

    You believe that 30 to 60 per cent of hierarchy are homosexual?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    Estimates range widely, not practicing homosexuals, but orientated towards same sex attraction.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_rcc.htm

    The job of being a priest can be a deeply isolating and lonely one. I knew a Fr McVeigh in Drogheda in the eighties and he was a good and kind man.

    Putting priests on pedestals that occurred in Ireland until recently led to the narcissism and grandiosity that allowed for child molestors to go unpunished. But hurting a child and homosexuality are two completely different urges.
    Many priests, especially those of an advanced age simply don't want to address the subject of human sexuality and especially of homosexuality. Who can blame them! The next Pope will have to face the reasons for empty seminaries. The first step of many will be to allow diocesan priests to marry.

    I don't like criticizing you HorH but attacking groups within the Church instead of trying to understand the issue only freezes readers from approaching Catholicism at all, which is a grave error. I'm going now to post a rebuttal to your comment about the degeneration of the Trappist order that you mention in another thread.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,142 ✭✭✭ISAW


    Made a mistake- sorry. That doesnt change the seriousness of this guy having such filth on his usb stick though does it?

    So you can make a mistake but a priest couldnt be excused for making the mistake of not checking his memory stitch to see whether someone put porn on it for a joke?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,416 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    ISAW wrote: »
    Made a mistake- sorry. That doesnt change the seriousness of this guy having such filth on his usb stick though does it?

    So you can make a mistake but a priest couldnt be excused for making the mistake of not checking his memory stitch to see whether someone put porn on it for a joke?

    Again, I have to ask, who in their right minds who would be close enough to the priest that they either had access to his USB or who would lend him a USB, would put gay porn on it "as a joke"? I'm not even Catholic and I'd never do that to a priest "for a joke".

    Now maybe someone did lend him a USB with gay porn on it by accident, as in it was their own gay porn and they forgot it was on it. Fair enough. But is it really that big a deal if it was the priests own gay porn? People are being quick to defend the priest (someone was playing a joke on him/it wasn't his USB/the computer might have had a virus), when there's no real need for it. The priest did nothing wrong.

    Lets say the stick was his. If being homosexual is not a sin, but committing homosexual acts are, then the priest hasn't even sinned because they were just pictures on a USB stick. He did nothing wrong, so why the need to come up with excuses for what he did?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Penn wrote: »
    Again, I have to ask, who in their right minds who would be close enough to the priest that they either had access to his USB or who would lend him a USB, would put gay porn on it "as a joke"? I'm not even Catholic and I'd never do that to a priest "for a joke".

    I had a post here but it mustn't have saved. Anyway recap, I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who would do it 'as a joke' or for more malicious reasons (to cause embarrassment, professional problems etc). You may as well ask who would make false allegations of child abuse against a priest, but it happens and has happened. It wouldn't be the first time, there was a well known case of a bank chief here who 'resigned' from his post in 2004 after soft porn was found on his work computer. Word on the ground in financial services sector is that it was a stitch up by people who wanted the man out of his job.
    Penn wrote: »
    But is it really that big a deal if it was the priests own gay porn? People are being quick to defend the priest (someone was playing a joke on him/it wasn't his USB/the computer might have had a virus), when there's no real need for it. The priest did nothing wrong. Lets say the stick was his. If being homosexual is not a sin, but committing homosexual acts are, then the priest hasn't even sinned because they were just pictures on a USB stick. He did nothing wrong, so why the need to come up with excuses for what he did.

    The Roman Catholic Church does not condone the use of pornography regardless of the sexual orientation involved. If it was the priests own porn then yes, he did something wrong in so far as he was going against the teachings of his Church.

    If it was his then he let himself down badly, personally and professionally. Same would apply if it was 'straight porn'. Porn is the problem from my point of view, the fact that it was gay porn is irrelevant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Keylem


    Some may believe that downloading those images is harmless, but it's still a grave sin! One wonders why some priests don't comdemn such things from the pulpit, when they indulge in it themselves! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    I don't think it's very nice to take the mans character away without first seeing the results of an investigation no? It's terrible really that a tiny amount of poison can be the undoing of a good persons name - The truth is that there are all sorts of virus that do transmit porn images, rushing to conclusions is very uncharitable, especially considering the man seems to be a pretty good Priest all told.

    As an aside, very little reporting went into the Tipperary Priest who was returned to his ministry only on Saturday last, having stood aside from his duties for two years while an investigation took place about an abuse claim - the Parish priest had given over 36 years of his life to his ministry - the claim was found to be unsubstantiated. Unfortunately, the poison that such things leave behind them never really goes away....it must be a terrible thing for an innocent person to be accused of these things falsely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 532 ✭✭✭Keylem


    lmaopml, I was speaking in general. I'm sure there are some priests out there that indulge in such activities, who would not speak out against it.

    It seems to me that this priest didn't know the contents of the usb stick, and certainly wouldn't have used it had he known!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    Having worked in IT for the last 20 years, I've yet to see a situation where porn has been projected onto anything bar a PC via a virus. Most trojans/viruses have the ability to put malware in-place or redirect your browser, but I've never seen one that can put numerous acts of homosexual activity onto a screen through the use of a USB stick.

    Secondly, as a father who has been to many a baptism/communion/confirmation meeting, I've yet to see a situation where this type of thing happens, or a priest disappears.

    Thirdly, as somebody who gives presentations to audiences of 10's and sometimes 100's of people, I've been thought to review and re-review what I'm about to present as a matter of course.

    I think it's fairly obvious what's happened here, and I think the priest (irrespective of his past helping the homeless (is that not his job!!!)) will take a sabbatical...etc...etc...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    Keylem wrote: »
    lmaopml, I was speaking in general. I'm sure there are some priests out there that indulge in such activities, who would not speak out against it.

    It seems to me that this priest didn't know the contents of the usb stick, and certainly wouldn't have used it had he known!

    Sorry, Keylem I wasn't speaking about you in particular :) just in general - how easy it seems for some to stereotype others and become convinced - it's something that as Christians we fight against for and on behalf of so many that stereotypes have created all sorts of injustices for in the world...... It's sad really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,353 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    "Goddamnit, those images were supposed to be subliminal"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    IITYWYBMAD wrote: »
    Having worked in IT for the last 20 years, I've yet to see a situation where porn has been projected onto anything bar a PC via a virus. Most trojans/viruses have the ability to put malware in-place or redirect your browser, but I've never seen one that can put numerous acts of homosexual activity onto a screen through the use of a USB stick.

    Secondly, as a father who has been to many a baptism/communion/confirmation meeting, I've yet to see a situation where this type of thing happens, or a priest disappears.

    Thirdly, as somebody who gives presentations to audiences of 10's and sometimes 100's of people, I've been thought to review and re-review what I'm about to present as a matter of course.

    I think it's fairly obvious what's happened here, and I think the priest (irrespective of his past helping the homeless (is that not his job!!!)) will take a sabbatical...etc...etc...


    All I'm saying is that there very well could be an explanation - it seems investigating the PC that the files on the USB stick originated from would perhaps be the way to go....

    In fairness, in work I get so much spam sometimes on one pretty old email account - Anything from extending the length of my Penis (which I don't have cause I'm female ;))
    to Russian and Asian women who want to marry me, or indeed that I've won billions of Euro in various lotteries worldwide ) An indecisive click on the wrong website or wrong email and bingo your computer gets infected. I don't know how many times I've had to use malewarbytes on some of the laptops in work that get infected by clicking on the wrong thing - and it can be embarrassing for the users - until I try to calm them down and let them know it's commonplace.

    Granted how the files got from the PC to the USB would need to be determined I guess......That's what investigions are for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Why should his PC be checked?
    Yes the man made a mistake, but it's a surprisingly common one made by people, though it's not always with porn.

    I remember a course last year were a lecturer accidentally started showing his holiday pics with his girlfriend.

    Mistakes happen, and he made one. There's no need to turn him into some form of outcast simply because he might be gay or bisexual.

    EDIT
    And as someone who is very good with computer coding, creating and destroying virus', it's actually quite awkward to create a virus designed to upload specific images to someones USB from the PC. I'd be amazed if a normal child managed to pull it off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    There's no need to turn him into some form of outcast simply because he might be gay or bisexual..

    His orientation (whatever it is) has nothing to do with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭lmaopml


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Why should his PC be checked?
    Yes the man made a mistake, but it's a surprisingly common one made by people, though it's not always with porn.

    I didn't say it 'should' be checked - perhaps the Priest himself though might want it to be?


    Mistakes happen, and he made one. There's no need to turn him into some form of outcast simply because he might be gay or bisexual.

    Em Sonics, I'm not the one recommending he should take a sabbatical from his duties over it :confused:
    EDIT
    And as someone who is very good with computer coding, creating and destroying virus', it's actually quite awkward to create a virus designed to upload specific images to someones USB from the PC. I'd be amazed if a normal child managed to pull it off.

    Well, I'm no expert, it's not my area, I only have a small amount of experience from cleaning a few laptops down from malware etc

    The point I was making was not that being 'gay' was a crime Sonics - the point I was making was that he said he didn't know why they got there and an investigation seems to be the only way to establish how they did.....It seems that's what is taking place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭IITYWYBMAD


    lmaopml wrote: »
    All I'm saying is that there very well could be an explanation - it seems investigating the PC that the files on the USB stick originated from would perhaps be the way to go....

    In fairness, in work I get so much spam sometimes on one pretty old email account - Anything from extending the length of my Penis (which I don't have cause I'm female ;))
    to Russian and Asian women who want to marry me, or indeed that I've won billions of Euro in various lotteries worldwide ) An indecisive click on the wrong website or wrong email and bingo your computer gets infected. I don't know how many times I've had to use malewarbytes on some of the laptops in work that get infected by clicking on the wrong thing - and it can be embarrassing for the users - until I try to calm them down and let them know it's commonplace.

    Granted how the files got from the PC to the USB would need to be determined I guess......That's what investigions are for.

    Agreed...totally.

    Of course there is an innocent explanation for it, sure isn't there always???

    Occam's razor would also determine that the most obvious answer is the one that usually makes the most sense, i.e. this priest saved some images to his USB stick that he inadvertently forgot to delete. I'm not stating this as fact, as I have no knowledge of this priests private life, nor his interaction with the lay people of this world.

    What I would hate to see is another complete cover up by the priesthood of this unfortunate event, and for once they come out and say "look this is what happened".....

    I think the religious has suffered more from their handling of recent events, than they would have had should they have met these issues head-on and just be honest with everyone, which is a virtue last time I looked.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Whoops sorry lmaopml, didn't actually mean to quote you there :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    IITYWYBMAD wrote: »
    What I would hate to see is another complete cover up by the priesthood of this unfortunate event, and for once they come out and say "look this is what happened"......

    +1 if it was his stuff I'd hope he'd come out with his hands up and take the flak rather than try to bury his head in the sand. If it wasn't his then I'd like to see it investigated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭StanMcConnell


    Apparently, it was a shared USB key. So, a bit early to assign blame.

    If it was his, he should be chided privately to ensure it doesn't happen again, but I doubt we'll ever see a public response to the investigation - not that it's necessary. He's already been embarrassed enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭gimmebroadband


    Apparently, it was a shared USB key. So, a bit early to assign blame.

    If it was his, he should be chided privately to ensure it doesn't happen again, but I doubt we'll ever see a public response to the investigation - not that it's necessary. He's already been embarrassed enough.


    It looks like it was a shared usb key.
    The leader of Ireland’s 4 million Catholics, Cardinal Sean Brady, said the priest involved insists he didn’t know how the explicit images got on the memory stick he intended to use for his Powerpoint presentation to families at St. Mary’s Primary School in the Northern Ireland village of Pomeroy.
    Brady said the priest, the Rev. Martin McVeigh, “has stated that he had no knowledge of the offending imagery” and is helping an internal church investigation.
    McVeigh said other church officials used the memory stick and he wanted an investigation “so that what happened can be legitimately explained.”
    “I don’t know how it happened but I know what happened,” McVeigh said.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/irelands-catholic-church-probing-why-priest-showed-parents-a-slideshow-of-gay-porn/2012/04/02/gIQAVG1SrS_story.html?tid=pm_world_pop


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    You believe that 30 to 60 per cent of hierarchy are homosexual?

    Yeah - why such a low estimate?


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