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FG Ard fheis

  • 30-03-2012 05:56PM
    #1
    darkman2
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    http://www.thejournal.ie/taoiseach-arrives-at-convention-centre-for-fine-gael-ard-fheis-402000-Mar2012/


    The leader has arrived for FG's first Ard fheis in 16 years while in Government. Will they be all triumphalist and deal a blow to public support? The image on their leaflet about the Ard fheis suggests there is a danger...


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    Or will they be sensible? Apparently a good few protesters will be down there aswell trying to interrupt proceedings...

    BTW I know Enda's speech is live tomorrow. Any coverage of his address tonight?


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  • #2
    MadsL
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    Anyone see the irony with the venue?


  • #3
    nuac
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    I see tomorrow there is a session about 4.45 on getting back to work.

    the line up is a group of cabinet ministers or junior mininsters.

    If they have any bright ideas about increasing employment they have had ample time to explain these in Dáil Éireann..

    Have any of them run a business, or employed anybody?

    Could FG not put up a half dozen business people with practical experience of job creation?

    btw I have the same view about politicians from any other party pontificating about "creating jobs"


  • #4
    darkman2
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    Good few protesters outside FG ard fheis. The media can't photograph them because FG have been shutting all the blinds!:confused:


  • #5
    Sierra Oscar
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    darkman2 wrote: »
    Good few protesters outside FG ard fheis. The media can't photograph them because FG have been shutting all the blinds!:confused:

    It is turning into a PR disaster for the FG handlers - the protesters could not even see in the window in the first place and the journalists are not exactly stupid.


  • #6
    darkman2
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    FG saying gardaí asked that the blinds be shut....


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  • #7
    Sierra Oscar
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    darkman2 wrote: »
    FG saying gardaí asked that the blinds be shut....

    Rubbish - you cannot see in through the windows from the outside. The FG Press Office line whereby they claim the Gardai wanted to prevent the protesters from being 'antagonised' is rubbish.


  • #8
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    nuac wrote: »
    Have any of them run a business, or employed anybody?

    Could FG not put up a half dozen business people with practical experience of job creation?

    btw I have the same view about politicians from any other party pontificating about "creating jobs"

    Yes it is a good point but, this could be speaking of any party, we and the media have a habit of scrutinising any private individual and political party if they are seen together. People would accuse the party of being "in bed with business", the business person could be extremely experienced and intelligent but if they have had any failures, the media and opposition would hop on this and scrutinise, if the business person is successful and continues to be successful, they would probably accuse the political party of favours and corruption.

    So it is a good idea and screams of common sense, but I say it is more of a headache then it is worth. Sure just look at the venue and the "irony", a poster has already pointed that connection out so that kind of proves my point.


  • #9
    darkman2
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    RTE reporting a man has been assaulted by protesters because he looked like Phil Hogan. Gardaí had to drag the man into a car and drive him away quickly. Says the man is very shaken. What a lovely group of people.


  • #10
    Tin Foil Hat
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    darkman2 wrote: »
    RTE reporting a man has been assaulted by protesters because he looked like Phil Hogan. Gardaí had to drag the man into a car and drive him away quickly. Says the man is very shaken. What a lovely group of people.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html

    They use the words 'jostled' and 'engulfed', but not 'assaulted'.
    They also use the phrase 'A near riot broke out', which is more than a little hysterical.


  • #11
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    Tin Foil Hat wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0331/alan-shatter-tells-sinn-fein-to-get-a-life.html

    They use the words 'jostled' and 'engulfed', but not 'assaulted'.
    They also use the phrase 'A near riot broke out', which is more than a little hysterical.

    Cause it is legal and perfectly fine to surround a person and push and shove him around? That is not assault in your eyes?


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  • #12
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    darkman2 wrote: »
    RTE reporting a man has been assaulted by protesters because he looked like Phil Hogan. Gardaí had to drag the man into a car and drive him away quickly. Says the man is very shaken. What a lovely group of people.

    Breakingnews.ie are also reporting that several delegates have been "jostled" and "knocked to the ground by protesters"

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hogan-no-credible-alternative-to-household-charge-545724.html


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
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    Disgusting behaviour, by disgusting people. Simple as. If you're going to come on here and support the assault of people, that's fair enough. But it's a scummy position to take.


  • #14
    southsiderosie
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    MOD NOTE:

    I find it unfortunate that I have to remind posters that advocating or cheering on violence is strictly against the forum charter. Specifically:
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    Posts deleted, and any continuation of this nonsense will lead to forum bans.


  • #15
    RichieC
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    Grand old night of drinking for the lads!

    I hear next years will be held on a remote volcanic island.


  • #16
    washman3
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    darkman2 wrote: »
    RTE reporting a man has been assaulted by protesters because he looked like Phil Hogan. Gardaí had to drag the man into a car and drive him away quickly. Says the man is very shaken. What a lovely group of people.


    Maybe the "lovely group of people" have lost their life's savings due to past and present government failings.
    Or the "lovely group of people" are Vita Cortex workers who have been swindled out of their redundancy pay while the government stand idly by.
    Or maybe the "lovely group of people" actually did vote FG/LAB in the last election in the hope that change would be implemented and "those other group of lovely people" that ruined this country would be held to account.:mad:


  • #17
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    washman3 wrote: »
    Maybe the "lovely group of people" have lost their life's savings due to past and present government failings.
    Or the "lovely group of people" are Vita Cortex workers who have been swindled out of their redundancy pay while the government stand idly by.
    Or maybe the "lovely group of people" actually did vote FG/LAB in the last election in the hope that change would be implemented and "those other group of lovely people" that ruined this country would be held to account.:mad:

    That is bull, and the worst part is you know it is bull and it is a shame that intelligent people will spin these lies and pretty much use the electorate/vita cortex workers/communities as an excuse to admonish scummy behaviour where people are attacked and forward these political parties own agendas.

    Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention.

    They did it with Shell to Sea and that is why there is virtually 0% local support and they do it all the time with other protests.


  • #18
    Godge
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    washman3 wrote: »
    Maybe the "lovely group of people" have lost their life's savings due to past and present government failings.
    Or the "lovely group of people" are Vita Cortex workers who have been swindled out of their redundancy pay while the government stand idly by.
    Or maybe the "lovely group of people" actually did vote FG/LAB in the last election in the hope that change would be implemented and "those other group of lovely people" that ruined this country would be held to account.:mad:

    What a terrible post. what in effect you are saying is that violence can be excused if there is a reason behind it.

    So the people of Derry who committed violence were justified because they were oppressed by the Unionists?
    Then the British Army were justified in retalitating because they saw their colleagues killed?
    Then the IRA were justified etc. and the cycle goes on.

    The 9/11 terrorists were justified because their countries were oppressed because of American imperialism.
    The killing of Osama was justified because of 9/11.

    Violence and riots are not justified. If people exercising their right to take part in the democratic process in Ireland by attending the agm of their political party were assaulted, then this is a sad day for Ireland.


  • #19
    Silvio.Dante
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    What the hell is FG's fascination with Eamon Coughlan. Politically he's a featherweight and yet he gets prode of place at Enda's right hand. Very strange...


  • #20
    Einhard
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Anyone see the irony with the venue?

    I'm having a blonde moment. :o Where's the irony?
    washman3 wrote: »
    Maybe the "lovely group of people" have lost their life's savings due to past and present government failings.

    What has the current government done that would have caused someone to lose their life savings?
    Or the "lovely group of people" are Vita Cortex workers who have been swindled out of their redundancy pay while the government stand idly by.

    I have every sympathy for the Vita Cortex workers, but are you proposing that the government should pay the redundacy of private workers?
    Or maybe the "lovely group of people" actually did vote FG/LAB in the last election in the hope that change would be implemented and "those other group of lovely people" that ruined this country would be held to account.:mad:

    I don't think so, because FG's support in recent polls is about the same as its support in the election. Further, the Red C poll found that the vast majority of FG voters last year were planning to pay the household charge.

    Also, I think you display an alarming disregard for legal due process. There are a number of cases where
    "those other group of lovely people" that ruined this country
    are under investigation, and it's only right and proper that the gardai and the relevant authorities be allowed conduct those investigations in an independent manner. For good reason, the government cannot direct the DPP to press charges, and to imply that they can is simply disingenuous.


  • #21
    Einhard
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    That is bull, and the worst part is you know it is bull and it is a shame that intelligent people will spin these lies and pretty much use the electorate/vita cortex workers/communities as an excuse to admonish scummy behaviour where people are attacked and forward these political parties own agendas.

    Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention.

    They did it with Shell to Sea and that is why there is virtually 0% local support and they do it all the time with other protests.
    Godge wrote: »
    What a terrible post. what in effect you are saying is that violence can be excused if there is a reason behind it.

    So the people of Derry who committed violence were justified because they were oppressed by the Unionists?
    Then the British Army were justified in retalitating because they saw their colleagues killed?
    Then the IRA were justified etc. and the cycle goes on.

    The 9/11 terrorists were justified because their countries were oppressed because of American imperialism.
    The killing of Osama was justified because of 9/11.

    Violence and riots are not justified. If people exercising their right to take part in the democratic process in Ireland by attending the agm of their political party were assaulted, then this is a sad day for Ireland.

    One can only imagine the reaction had a guard pushed one of the protestors. IndyMedia would have crashed within 4 seconds and Richard Boyd Barett's head would have exploded with outrage.


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  • #22
    later12
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention.

    They did it with Shell to Sea and that is why there is virtually 0% local support and they do it all the time with other protests.

    Really?

    Almost one million households have yet to pay the household charge,and they have about two-and-a-half hours to do so.

    If you are suggesting that this is the latest pet project of a left wing hire-a-crowd, you should probably re-examine the household charge statistics.

    Or maybe they're all waiting until the actual last minute to pay. Lets see.


  • #23
    Sunnyisland
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    [QUOTE=The Waltzing Consumer;77879119]That is bull, and the worst part is you know it is bull and it is a shame that intelligent people will spin these lies and pretty much use the electorate/vita cortex workers/communities as an excuse to admonish scummy behaviour where people are attacked and forward these political parties own agendas.

    Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention.

    They did it with Shell to Sea and that is why there is virtually 0% local support and they do it all the time with other protests.[/QUOTE]

    This is bull the majority of people that where there where marching to show FG they are against this tax and the majority of people are not paying it and marched peacefully and with dignity, And whats with bringing in STS comments ? That has nothing to do with this.


    godge wrote: »
    What a terrible post. what in effect you are saying is that violence can be excused if there is a reason behind it.

    So the people of Derry who committed violence were justified because they were oppressed by the Unionists?
    Then the British Army were justified in retaliation because they saw their colleagues killed?
    Then the IRA were justified etc. and the cycle goes on.

    The 9/11 terrorists were justified because their countries were oppressed because of American imperialism.
    The killing of Osama was justified because of 9/11.

    Violence and riots are not justified. If people exercising their right to take part in the democratic process in Ireland by attending the agm of their political party were assaulted, then this is a sad day for Ireland.


    :rolleyes::rolleyes: A bit of jostled and pushing and your comparing it to Derry/9.11/OBL.


  • #24
    steelcityblues
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    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    What the hell is FG's fascination with Eamon Coughlan. Politically he's a featherweight and yet he gets prode of place at Enda's right hand. Very strange...

    It is a populist thing. Having a successful former athlete in the party might attract some swing voters.


  • #25
    Sunnyisland
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    steelcityblues wrote: »
    It is a populist thing. Having a successful former athlete in the party might attract some swing voters.







    :o I thought he was there to run for the party :o


  • #26
    john reilly
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    Godge wrote: »
    What a terrible post. what in effect you are saying is that violence can be excused if there is a reason behind it.

    So the people of Derry who committed violence were justified because they were oppressed by the Unionists?
    Then the British Army were justified in retalitating because they saw their colleagues killed?
    Then the IRA were justified etc. and the cycle goes on.

    The 9/11 terrorists were justified because their countries were oppressed because of American imperialism.
    The killing of Osama was justified because of 9/11.

    Violence and riots are not justified. If people exercising their right to take part in the democratic process in Ireland by attending the agm of their political party were assaulted, then this is a sad day for Ireland.
    I think you got your facts wrong. 13 innocent people murdered by the british army


  • #27
    john reilly
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    steelcityblues wrote: »
    It is a populist thing. Having a successful former athlete in the party might attract some swing voters.
    why dont they invite graham geraghty.


  • #28
    steelcityblues
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    john reilly wrote: »
    why dont they invite graham geraghty.

    Maybe they did?


  • #29
    The Waltzing Consumer
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    later12 wrote: »
    Really?

    Almost one million households have yet to pay the household charge,and they have about two-and-a-half hours to do so.

    If you are suggesting that this is the latest pet project of a left wing hire-a-crowd, you should probably re-examine the household charge statistics.

    Or maybe they're all waiting until the actual last minute to pay. Lets see.

    I was talking about the protest and the behaviour of some at it, which is pretty clear, in fact, it is 100% clear. Nothing to do with one million households.


  • #30
    Sunnyisland
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention
    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    I was talking about the protest and the behaviour of some at it, which is pretty clear, in fact, it is 100% clear. Nothing to do with one million households.




    You said the majority are/were dragged in from around the country which is quite incorrect.


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  • #31
    votecounts
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    The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »
    That is bull, and the worst part is you know it is bull and it is a shame that intelligent people will spin these lies and pretty much use the electorate/vita cortex workers/communities as an excuse to admonish scummy behaviour where people are attacked and forward these political parties own agendas.

    Anyone with a bit of intelligence knows that the majority of the protesters there today are protesters. They are drafted in, dragged around the country and act as chameleons to any protest that catches their attention.

    They did it with Shell to Sea and that is why there is virtually 0% local support and they do it all the time with other protests.
    The first one doesn't make sense and the second is wrong, any news programme will tell you that there is local support for that protest.


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