Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

Spread · 22-03-2012 11:48PM

Corrupt politicians are being jailed in Britain and the USA. When will the Irish justice system start doing it? Perhaps too many of the powers that be are caught up in it .......... and they are afraid to send these criminals down - in case they spill the beans. Just saying .........

goat2 · 22-03-2012 11:49PM

benway wrote: »

Report straight out called him corrupt, took £50k for his personal use from a developer, bought a farm with it.

did he do a favour for developer, and did developer say that he gave mr flynn this money,

22-03-2012 11:49PM

Jack_Russell wrote: »

poor aul Bertie,

didn't he have a portrait of Padraig Pearse in his office?

Id say Sepp Blatter has a potrait of Bertie Ahern in his office.

eamonnq · 22-03-2012 11:50PM

benway wrote: »

Report straight out called him corrupt, took £50k for his personal use from a developer, bought a farm with it.

Ah now it was not that bad, the 50K was a contribution to the political party, and he took that for his own use, but the farm was in his wife's name!!!

mrrepublic · 22-03-2012 11:51PM

is it true that the mahon tribunal judges were all appointed by a former F.G.
Government.

RobbingBandit · 22-03-2012 11:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Id say Sepp Blatter has a potrait of Berlusconi in his office.

FYP.

Fighting Irish · 22-03-2012 11:51PM

We voted for him, and he gave us what we wanted!

Now it's all his fault, oh actually no it's the property developers fault, wait actually i'm confused

all i know is it's defo not my fault!

benway · 22-03-2012 11:52PM

goat2 wrote: »

did he do a favour for developer, and did developer say that he gave mr flynn this money,

The inquiry’s final report states that senior Fianna Fáil figures including Bertie Ahern knew about the payment to Flynn in 1989 – but did not question him about it until after the establishment of the investigation in the late 1990s.

Flynn, who was Minister for the Environment at the time, “wrongly and corruptly” sought the payment from developer Tom Gilmartin then “proceeded to utilise the money for his personal benefit”, the Tribunal found.

A substantial portion of the money was reportedly used to buy a farm in Co Mayo in the name of Flynn’s wife.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ff-minister-padraig-flynn-took-e50k-corrupt-payment-mahon-392481-Mar2012/

He has to be prosecuted. Has to be. Bertie might wriggle out of it, but Pee is fcked.

ilovesleep · 22-03-2012 11:53PM

Spread wrote: »

Corrupt politicians are being jailed in Britain and the USA. When will the Irish justice system start doing it? Perhaps too many of the powers that be are caught up in it .......... and they are afraid to send these criminals down - in case they spill the beans. Just saying .........

I wonder would there be any journalists that would be willing to dig a little deeper to open up a can of worms to turn the politicians against each other. All it will.take is something juicy and scandalous on Enda Kenny and I'm sure he will start to sing.

RobbingBandit · 22-03-2012 11:54PM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

We voted for him, and he gave us what we wanted!

Now it's all his fault, oh actually no it's the property developers fault, wait actually i'm confused all i know is it's defo not my fault!

You sir did not live up to your name, Fighting Irish indeed!

Orando Broom · 22-03-2012 11:54PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Jesus protest for your own dignity and protest against the fact that Ireland protects criminals.

Protesting against alleged criminals. I'd rather them be tried and convicted as opposed me aiding and abetting their escape from justice through prejudicing any potential case against them.

Secondly my dignity is intact and requires no balm. I feel bad that you are compelled to make such a gesture for yours. Time is a great healer.

Orando Broom · 22-03-2012 11:56PM

benway wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ff-minister-padraig-flynn-took-e50k-corrupt-payment-mahon-392481-Mar2012/

He has to be prosecuted. Has to be. Bertie might wriggle out of it, but Pee is fcked.

Pee will be the sacrificial lamb to sate our bloodlust. Bertie walks.

RobbingBandit · 22-03-2012 11:56PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder would there be any journalists that would be willing to dig a little deeper to open up a can of worms to turn the politicians against each other. All it will.take is something juicy and scandalous on Enda Kenny and I'm sure he will start to sing.

Bertie is being kicked out of the Galway tent tonight if RTE is to be believed:rolleyes:

Orando Broom · 22-03-2012 11:57PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I wonder would there be any journalists that would be willing to dig a little deeper to open up a can of worms to turn the politicians against each other. All it will.take is something juicy and scandalous on Enda Kenny and I'm sure he will start to sing.

No. Journalists know where the politicians bury the truffles. Complicit gobdaws.

TheBigLebowski · 22-03-2012 11:57PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDDJeM5R4PM

themandan6611 · 22-03-2012 11:58PM

instead of an occupy dame street, there should be a occupy bertie residence - drive the fcuk*r out of the country (or lynch him like they would in south america)

steddyeddy · 22-03-2012 11:58PM

Orando Broom wrote: »

Protesting against alleged criminals. I'd rather them be tried and convicted as opposed me aiding and abetting their escape from justice through prejudicing any potential case against them.

Secondly my dignity is intact and requires no balm. I feel bad that you are compelled to make such a gesture for yours. Time is a great healer.

Sorry but If he was going to be tried and convicted why hasnt it happened now? This country has a long history of refusing to prosecute criminals like him and haughey. Nothing I could do would make his escape from justice more likely. Dont feel bad for me Ill be gone from the country in a few years It wont be my taxes lining the pockets of these criminals.

goat2 · 22-03-2012 11:58PM

benway wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/ff-minister-padraig-flynn-took-e50k-corrupt-payment-mahon-392481-Mar2012/

He has to be prosecuted. Has to be. Bertie might wriggle out of it, but Pee is fcked.

why then is this farm not confiscated and sold on to get at least some payback and alleviate the hardworking taxpayer

Jack_Russell · 22-03-2012 11:58PM

we ALL know what happened.
we're living with the consequences, and so will our children/grand-children.
it's been going on for decades, back to the Haughey years.

Will there be any consequences? I very much doubt it.
Will anyone go to jail? Ditto
Will any retired public servant be stripped of his/her fat pension, or their ill-gotten gains? Ditto

This is Ireland.
Septic Isle.

ilovesleep · 23-03-2012 12:01AM

Orando Broom wrote: »

This country is a vested interest haven. Name me one person that the entire country could follow, leaving behind their own little parochial prejudices? I will not protest under a socialist, union or shimmer banner. Each in their own way have made a cock of this country too. They protest becaue they are contrary, not for justice or fairness but for their own enrichment. They want their shot at the title.

You're free to protest all you want. I just wouldn't recommend doing it outside his house. He'll have you arrested and dragged to a prison cell for a night. It will just make you worse off in the long run in that you will get a night in a cell followed with a court appearance while he may never be required to set foot in a courtroom for his wrong doings.

benway · 23-03-2012 12:02AM

goat2 wrote: »

why then is this farm not confiscated and sold on to get at least some payback and alleviate the hardworking taxpayer

Think he got hit by the Revenue for it - remains to be seen what further action will be taken.

Orando Broom wrote: »

Pee will be the sacrificial lamb to sate our bloodlust. Bertie walks.

There's no direct finding of corruption against him in the report - the cnut did virtually all of his dealings in cash, so there's no real paper trail to show what he did with the money. Will be very difficult to nail him ... CJ didn't call him, "'the most skilful, the most cunning, the most devious of them all'", for nothing.

Whatever about that pr!ck, I want to see Pee and every single one of the Councillors named for corruption in this report on trial before the end of the year - there's no excuse not to.

Mint Sauce · 23-03-2012 12:02AM

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

Orando Broom · 23-03-2012 12:04AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry but If he was going to be tried and convicted why hasnt it happened now? This country has a long history of refusing to prosecute criminals like him and haughey. Nothing I could do would make his escape from justice more likely. Dont feel bad for me Ill be gone from the country in a few years It wont be my taxes lining the pockets of these criminals.

That's the spirit! That esprit des corps that will see the ordinary Irishman win the day. Good on you. You have a cheek telling others what they should or should not be doing. You're as craven as any one of Bertie's drones. Another mé feiner.

I refuse to protest for the reason outlined above. You could not provide one cogent, coherent argument for or against what I posted. You are fodder for FF and FG; a know nothing blowhard.

steddyeddy · 23-03-2012 12:05AM

irish-stew wrote: »

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

His role in the north pales in comparison to John Hume's anyway. He took a lot more credit for that than he should of.

goat2 · 23-03-2012 12:09AM

are these councillors from one county or are they from around the country, how many people are involved in this corruption, and from what backgrounds, are they all in government or are there non government in it also

ebixa82 · 23-03-2012 12:09AM

From a statement tonight by Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin via Politico.ie:

I, together with the party’s officers with whom I have met and consulted, believe the conduct of Bertie Ahern as outlined in the evidence made public through the Tribunal and the findings of the Tribunal constitute conduct unbecoming a member of Fianna Fáil. Accordingly, I will propose a motion to expel him as a member of Fianna Fáil at the special meeting of National Executive. We are writing to Mr Ahern to inform him of this decision.

JeanLucPicard · 23-03-2012 12:12AM

irish-stew wrote: »

Well its now looking like his invlovment in the Good Friday Agreement wont even save him now. Him, Pauric Flynn, and 3 other councilers are due to be expelled from the party tomorrow night.

Will be the first former Taoiseach ever to happen to.

Im sure they wont loose much sleep over this....

They should be locked up in jail.

If it was me or any other Joe Public that committed such crimes (or even refusal to pay Household Charge) we'd be jailed.

I cant understand how more people are not demanding REAL justice not an expensive tribunal that will see few ensuing results.

The people of this country are equally as bad for not demanding proper investigations that will lead to
a) pensions frozen
b)assets seized
c) proper punishment for his crime

steddyeddy · 23-03-2012 12:12AM

Orando Broom wrote: »

That's the spirit! That esprit des corps that will see the ordinary Irishman win the day. Good on you. You have a cheek telling others what they should or should not be doing. You're as craven as any one of Bertie's drones. Another mé feiner.

I refuse to protest for the reason outlined above. You could not provide one cogent, coherent argument for or against what I posted. You are fodder for FF and FG; a know nothing blowhard.

First of all my area of work will see me out of the country by necessity for a few years, not by choice but in order to further my career I have to travel. Secondly I am fully commited to protesting against this man and this system.

Yet you seem to find my wish to protest offensive and resort to insults like blowhard no nothing, and another of berties drones because me like many in this country have to leave to find work? How is me trying to make an honest living for myself craven?

ilovesleep · 23-03-2012 12:13AM

ebixa82 wrote: »

From a statement tonight by Fianna Fail leader Michael Martin via Politico.ie:

I, together with the party’s officers with whom I have met and consulted, believe the conduct of Bertie Ahern as outlined in the evidence made public through the Tribunal and the findings of the Tribunal constitute conduct unbecoming a member of Fianna Fáil. Accordingly, I will propose a motion to expel him as a member of Fianna Fáil at the special meeting of National Executive. We are writing to Mr Ahern to inform him of this decision.

so they are going to expel him. That's all well and good but isn't the man retired. What good will expelling him do.

benway · 23-03-2012 12:13AM

goat2 wrote: »

are these councillors from one county or are they from around the country, how many people are involved in this corruption, and from what backgrounds, are they all in government or are there non government in it also

It's only Dublin that was covered, think 30 odd Councillors were involved:

http://www.thejournal.ie/which-councillors-were-labelled-corrupt-over-quarryvale-393002-Mar2012/

Full report:

http://www.planningtribunal.ie/images/sitecontent_921.pdf

The Journal's coverage is pretty comprehensive if your a sane individual with a life and don't have the time for that:

http://www.thejournal.ie/topic/mahon-tribunal/

Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

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