Mahon Tribunal report - merge

ghostdancer · 22-03-2012 11:28AM

untruthful and uncooperative, but no evidence of corruption....

Biggins · 22-03-2012 11:30AM

The site www.planningtribunal.ie seems to be having problems - I wonder why! LOL

Sanjuro · 22-03-2012 11:37AM

As much as it doesn't come as a surprise that the little **** is being exposed for the lying, cheating, corrupt man he is, nothing will come of this. We have a history of letting things like this slide, and the same will apply here. It'd be fantastic if Bertie was arrested and held to account for his ways, but it wont happen. Millions of euros wasted so that we can go 'yep, thought so' and then things will carry on as usual.

Biggins · 22-03-2012 11:42AM

DIRECT download link to report: http://www.flood-tribunal.ie/images/sitecontent_921.pdf
56mb.

(Better off right-clicking on and selecting "Save as" or your browser equivalent)

mconigol · 22-03-2012 11:45AM

Unsurprisingly he hasn't been found corrupt but he has been found to have lied.

Was this under oath? If so, is he liable for perjury?

(I was going to ask if he will be done for perjury but I think I know the answer to that)

ilovesleep · 22-03-2012 11:50AM

^^^ This country and the higher establishment in this country is corrupt. Laws for us the little men that the higher establishment is protected from.

Biggins · 22-03-2012 11:51AM

mconigol wrote: »

Unsurprisingly he hasn't been found corrupt but he has been found to have lied.

Was this under oath? If so, is he liable for perjury?

(I was going to ask if he will be done for perjury but I think I know the answer to that)

Not a hope!
Its a breaking of a serious law - but no, he will get away with it.

mconigol · 22-03-2012 11:56AM

Biggins wrote: »

Not a hope!
Its a breaking of a serious law - but no, he will get away with it.

I realise that will probably never happen. Just wondering if it is perjury.

Anyway it appears he was under oath so suppose it is. (At least from the quick google I did)

Faolchu · 22-03-2012 11:58AM

seriously doubt anything will happen to bertie over this. the tribunal doesnt believe him but can find evidence of where the money actually came from, so nothing for them to give to the DPP to start a case against him.

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 11:59AM

Anyone implicated who is still in politics will be returned to the dail as a poll topper.

mconigol · 22-03-2012 12:01PM

Faolchu wrote: »

seriously doubt anything will happen to bertie over this. the tribunal doesnt believe him but can find evidence of where the money actually came from, so nothing for them to give to the DPP to start a case against him.

Yes, I notice it's all worded as "rejected evidence" as oppose to "lied". I'm sure there a technicality there somewhere.

Faolchu · 22-03-2012 12:03PM

mconigol wrote: »

Yes, I notice it's all worded as "rejected evidence" as oppose to "lied". I'm sure there a technicality there somewhere.

probably a few "Allegedly"s thrown in there too.

he'll keep his head down for a few months then turn up with that same **** eating grin on his face and the same old hands will pat him on the back.

ArmaniJeanss · 22-03-2012 12:06PM

By not being branded 'corrupt' by the Tribunal, it at least means that he can't use 'wont get a fair ciminal trial because have already been labelled corrupt by a civil tribunal' if the DPP does decide to go ahead with a prosecution.

So theres still some small hope.

Biggins · 22-03-2012 12:06PM

mconigol wrote: »

Yes, I notice it's all worded as "rejected evidence" as oppose to "lied". I'm sure there a technicality there somewhere.

For sure!

I'll say it again - the last place they (FF, FG and Labour) want to see him, is in the dock in case he starts spilling who is more involved and his funny blank spaced memory comes back!

Dubit10 · 22-03-2012 12:08PM

Like usual nothing will happen the elites protect their own. Im not surprised in the least by this.

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:08PM

Darragh Colleary on Pat Kenny

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:09PM

Does the fact that there was insufficient evidence on which to assume that Bertie Ahern is corrupt, does this mean he is fully off the hook?

Spacedog · 22-03-2012 12:09PM

What is needed is an agency like the CAB that is outside the remit of the government to investigate, prepare bring cases before a jury, no need for drawn out show trials, present the charges, interview the witnesses and the defendant, and let a jury of normal people decide. if it's good enough for murder cases, it's good enough for this.

We have some real problems with corruption here, but more than this we have a problem of impotently accepting corruption.

Take Ray Burke, convicted of corruption, yet when someone mentions his terrible Corrib Gas giveaway deal on Politics, most people (including mods), will defend this corruption as normal operating procedure in the energy industry.

Same with the few people with the balls to say something in the Ocuppy Camps, according to boards users they are stinkin hippies who don't know their place.

If you guys have a better idea, I'd like to hear it?

Kerrydude1981 · 22-03-2012 12:09PM

Just heard on the news it took 3k pages to tell us Bertie is a liar,sure everyone knew that already

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:10PM

Dubit10 wrote: »

Like usual nothing will happen the elites protect their own. Im not surprised in the least by this.

Would it be fair to have assumed that before the tribunal was established?

smash · 22-03-2012 12:10PM

This report will contain more fiction than the twilight saga.

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:11PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Just heard on the news it took 3k pages to tell us Bertie is a liar,sure everyone knew that already

But there was insufficient evidence to tell us he was corrupt

Faolchu · 22-03-2012 12:12PM

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:12PM

If this doesnt kill off the FF party there is something wrong with Irish people

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:15PM

Faolchu wrote: »

Brilliant

Faolchu · 22-03-2012 12:16PM

AngryBollix wrote: »

Brilliant

**** sherlock might be watching, that was courtesy of The Journal.

kippy · 22-03-2012 12:24PM

Any of you who have managed to download that pdf should keep it safe.
Possibly the most expensive PDF ever created by any state with costs running at upwards of 200 million.

The only outcome from it, is if you print it out, you can use it to wrap Bertie and those involved on the knuckles, which is more than the outcome of anything written in the report will achieve.

AngryBollix · 22-03-2012 12:27PM

How long will it take for the FF party to mention the good friday agreement?

Doc Ruby · 22-03-2012 12:28PM

A quarter of a billion euros. Savour that for a minute, and think about the good that money could have done elsewhere if Bertie had just been sat in front of a judge like everyone else.

Spacedog wrote: »

but more than this we have a problem of impotently accepting corruption.

But sure what can we do, form vigilante groups? Point me in the direction of political representation that wants to get rid of the tribunals and get a refund from the lawyers, and they'll get a vote from me. The big parties have it all figured out with the civil service - they know for most people there are only two or three real options, so they can be as corrupt as one another.

Fran1985 · 22-03-2012 12:37PM

Some good news, Pat Rabbitte returned 2k donation from Frank Dunlop. This gives me hope. I'm a glass half full guy and will take something from that, whether or not the rest of it is bad news.

But i think people should send their local TD an email demanding action. They will sit up and listen if enough people contact them, and it costs nothing to send an email. It's what i'll be doing

Mahon Tribunal report - merge

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