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Anti-Syrian Propaganda Thread.

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  • #32
    jackiebaron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    HavingCrack wrote: »
    How much "legality" does the Assad regime actually have? Syria clearly is not a democracy so it is impossible to say for sure if he does have the support of a majority of the population. He clearly does have significant support, particularly among Alawites and Christians but is it a majority? He inherited the title of leader from his father, not through popular elections.

    Does he have any less legitimacy than monarchies in the region such as Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, etc?

    It also appears that the majority of the Syrian people do actually favour Assad.


  • #33
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    More staff leave Al Jazeera over its bias.
    Key staff from Al Jazeera’s Beirut Bureau have resigned citing “bias” in the channel’s stance on the conflict in Syria.
    Bureau Managing Director Hassan Shaaban reportedly quit last week, after his correspondent and producer had walked out in protest.
    A source told the Lebanese paper Al Akhbar that Al Jazeera’s Beirut correspondent Ali Hashem had quit over the channel’s stance on covering events in Syria. "… his position [which] changed after the station refused to show photos he had taken of armed fighters clashing with the Syrian Army in Wadi Khaled. Instead [Al Jazeera] lambasted him as a shabeeh [implying a regime loyalist],” a source told Lebanese press.


  • #34
    HavingCrack
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    jackiebaron wrote: »
    Does he have any less legitimacy than monarchies in the region such as Saudi, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, etc?

    It also appears that the majority of the Syrian people do actually favour Assad.

    It's actually an interesting debate. I don't really believe monarchies have any real legitimacy in the modern world-certainly not the Middle Eastern ones with their nasty histories of repression, discrimination, sexism and torture. With the possible exception of Jordan (which appears to be more liberal than the other Middle Eastern states for the most part) I don't believe Assad has any more or less legimacy than any other leader.

    Whether he has the support of a majority of the population is impossible to say without free and fair elections. As I said previously he may indeed have majority support-the city of Aleppo and central Damascus as well as much of the Kurdish areas are still very much pro-Assad. Certainly the middle and upper classes support him (generally the Christians and Alawites) as well as the wealtheir Sunnis and most of the security forces.

    From what I can see of Syria the problem seems to have more roots in social class than sectarian strife. It's very much pitting the working classes against the middle and upper classes-which happen to be separated along religious lines unfortunately.


  • #35
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    HavingCrack wrote: »
    It's actually an interesting debate. I don't really believe monarchies have any real legitimacy in the modern world-certainly not the Middle Eastern ones with their nasty histories of repression, discrimination, sexism and torture. With the possible exception of Jordan (which appears to be more liberal than the other Middle Eastern states for the most part) I don't believe Assad has any more or less legimacy than any other leader.
    the middle east do not have a monopoly on bad monarchies to be fair ...
    HavingCrack wrote: »
    It's very much pitting the working classes against the middle and upper classes-which happen to be separated along religious lines unfortunately.
    that occurs everywhere in every country, just that nobody takes notice ... the rich watch the poor fight each other for scraps, and the rich control the government.

    but the key point here is legitimacy of rule is a complex concept and people have learned nothing from history, or they choose to ignore it.

    let them sort out their own issues, that is the only way a legitimate leader will be brought about ...

    but lets not forget that behind this fake face of concern, the same governments murdered the legitimacy leader of libya ... what does that say about their claims?


  • #36
    Jaafa
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    Some more evidence of manipulation of the media. Watch the video, it's shown better than in the article. http://rt.com/news/syria-information-wars-west-553/

    3 stories mainly. One is a fire, that al jazzera reports as an explosion caused by the government, then attempts to make the video seem like amateur footage.

    Second is a reporter telling an injured child what to say into into the camera, before going on air.

    Last is a young man, who goes on CNN live claiming the deaths of 200 people, amidst shooting in the background. However when you see the full video, you can see he staged it.


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  • #37
    jackiebaron
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    Jaafa wrote: »
    Some more evidence of manipulation of the media. Watch the video, it's shown better than in the article. http://rt.com/news/syria-information-wars-west-553/

    3 stories mainly. One is a fire, that al jazzera reports as an explosion caused by the government, then attempts to make the video seem like amateur footage.

    Second is a reporter telling an injured child what to say into into the camera, before going on air.

    Last is a young man, who goes on CNN live claiming the deaths of 200 people, amidst shooting in the background. However when you see the full video, you can see he staged it.

    You're preaching to the choir Jaafa. We know the entire story behins all the violence in the middle east and the cringe-worthy attempts by the media at spinning their fake sh!t.


  • #38
    studiorat
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    Truth or Lies?

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/24/196776.html
    “I salute the heroic Syrian people, who are striving for freedom, democracy and reform”

    http://www.worldnewstribune.com/2012/03/04/syrian-regime-said-to-target-palestinians-who-wont-fight-uprising/


  • #39
    davoxx
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    studiorat wrote: »
    Truth or Lies?

    http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/02/24/196776.html



    http://www.worldnewstribune.com/2012/03/04/syrian-regime-said-to-target-palestinians-who-wont-fight-uprising/
    what's your take on it?


  • #40
    studiorat
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    davoxx wrote: »
    what's your take on it?

    It's obvious, Hamas are part of the Lizard Freemason NWO as well!! And the PLO are lying because being paid by Barrack O'Bomber'

    Ask yourself why has Russia's export of arms to Syria grown by 600% recently?
    Then ask yourself do you think RT state run propaganda?


  • #41
    davoxx
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    studiorat wrote: »
    It's obvious, Hamas are part of the Lizard Freemason NWO as well!! And the PLO are lying because being paid by Barrack O'Bomber'
    ok, so you have no further need to be on this thread since you've figured it all out ...

    but in case you do actually want to contribute ... could you answer some easy questions?

    what is the lizard freemason nwo? are you a member of it or are you against it? it would be nice to know your motives for thinking it's obvious ...

    also can you explain a bit further how you know the plo are being paid off? or even how you know they are lying?


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  • #42
    Daithi 1
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    Just dropping this in....



  • #43
    studiorat
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    Don't forget the 600% increase in Russian arms sales to Syria.
    davoxx wrote: »
    ok, so you have no further need to be on this thread since you've figured it all out ...

    but in case you do actually want to contribute ... could you answer some easy questions?

    what is the lizard freemason nwo? are you a member of it or are you against it? it would be nice to know your motives for thinking it's obvious ...

    I think the question of motive is very revealing. Clearly there is a motive behind the opinions of the some of the contributors here. I'm surprised you'd admit it so readily. Personally I look at the facts and form my opinion. Whether I'm "for or against" anything is a very immature way to examine the issues.

    davoxx wrote: »
    also can you explain a bit further how you know the plo are being paid off? or even how you know they are lying?

    Did you read the link? Previously, the PLO have accused Syria of crimes against humanity. In the vein of the thread do you think it's propaganda or not?
    Hamas have moved out of Damascus and into Qatar I believe, propaganda or not?


  • #44
    davoxx
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    studiorat wrote: »
    Don't forget the 600% increase in Russian arms sales to Syria.



    I think the question of motive is very revealing. Clearly there is a motive behind the opinions of the some of the contributors here. I'm surprised you'd admit it so readily. Personally I look at the facts and form my opinion. Whether I'm "for or against" anything is a very immature way to examine the issues.




    Did you read the link? Previously, the PLO have accused Syria of crimes against humanity. In the vein of the thread do you think it's propaganda or not?
    Hamas have moved out of Damascus and into Qatar I believe, propaganda or not?
    i'll ask once more for the last time:

    what is the lizard freemason nwo? are you a member of it or are you against it? it would be nice to know your motives for thinking it's obvious ...

    surprise me with a proper answer ...


  • #45
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,702 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Why don't you both surprise me and get back to discussing the topic. Any more "lizard freemason nwo" talk and questioning motives of other posters gets deleted and poster infracted.


  • #46
    davoxx
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,539 ✭✭✭davoxx


    <mod snip>

    back on topic, i think the focus is going to shift away from syria to a certain african country.


  • #47
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    More propaganda...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soK-L1v0bcM


  • #48
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,698 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Here's one which was tried a while back. It was quickly dropped when the holes in the report were exposed. The DM then removed all the comments which debunked the 'incident'.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2098620/Syria-18-premature-babies-die-Homs-hospital-power-cut-caused-Assad-army-attack.html


  • #49
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    To those who claim the opposition was peaceful until they could no longer bear Assad's oppression and took up arms. I give you my evidence to the opposite.
    there is clear evidence that armed groups have targeted and killed security forces and civilians from within weeks of the first small protests in March 2011. An earlier investigative piece I wrote on the Syrian casualty lists identifies the shooting deaths of nine Syrian soldiers in Banyas on April 10, 2011 as one important timeline marker for premeditated opposition violence.
    Ali Hashem’s resignation from Al Jazeera last month may not have raised an eyebrow in normal circumstances. .......Hashem claims Al Jazeera refused to air footage of dozens of armed gunmen engaging with targets inside Syrian territory in May 2011. He and his crew, Hashem reports, also witnessed armed groups entering Syria three weeks earlier, in April 2011, but were only able to capture them on film in May. Some of the weapons they sighted included Kalashnikovs and Rocket Propelled Grenades (RPGs)

    It is clear these groups have been waging armed opposition to Assad since almost the very start.


  • #50
    Brown Bomber
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    Compare the two image's background.

    hQuRK.jpg

    source for EPA image
    http://www.epa.eu/webgate/


  • #51
    Brown Bomber
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    The New York Times says:
    Updated September 5
    Hit by mortar fire, the towering stone minaret of a mosque in a western district of Aleppo toppled to the ground on Monday, activists said, amid what appeared to be sporadic shelling by the government and heavy clashes in the area. Activists Report Artillery and Tank Fire by Government Forces in the City Hit by mortar fire, the towering stone minaret of the Al Rasheed mosque in a western district of Aleppo toppled to the ground on Monday, activists said, amid what appeared to be heavy shelling by the government in the area. Syria's state news agency said military forces had clashed with armed fighters near the mosque in the neighborhood known as Saif al-Dawla late last week. The video, posted on Wednesday, captured the collapse as well as armed men inspecting the yawning hole left in the mosque.



    The apparent Reality:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2bbmhjhVE


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  • #52
    studiorat
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    The New York Times says:


    The apparent Reality:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY2bbmhjhVE

    From the same NYT article :
    Despite the appearance of damage from earlier shelling, the nature of the attack, captured on the video, that brought down the minaret could not be independently verified. It was not known how closely together the different portions of the edited video were recorded.

    Why would bomber deliberately leave something like that out? My guess is to intentionally mislead people again.


  • #53
    Brown Bomber
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    studiorat wrote: »
    From the same NYT article :
    That I linked too :rolleyes:
    studiorat wrote: »
    Why would bomber deliberately leave something like that out? My guess is to intentionally mislead people again.
    Guess again. I didn't leave anything out by linking to the article. Unlike you and your possible plagiarism in the link below. Perhaps you could clear up any confusion with a response in the thread?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81431592&postcount=24
    It really doesn't look good as it stands and leaves you in a great, big, ol' glass house throwing stones when it comes to "intentionally misleading people".


  • #54
    studiorat
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    It really doesn't look good as it stands and leaves you in a great, big, ol' glass house throwing stones when it comes to "intentionally misleading people".

    Stop trying to derail the thread. As usual you'd rather argue semantics (badly I might add) or accuse people of what? Plagiarizing a question?

    You made the assertion that your pals in Hezbollah were "strong" :rolleyes: Yet you still are unable to explain why "Hezbollah failed miserably to protect Lebanon from the F-16s of the Israeli Air Force and the kilotons of bombs they dumped on our houses and infrastructure."

    Then when your finished that. Perhaps you would like to explain why you are deliberately misleading people. You posted "what the NYT says" and posted your "apparent reality", what you left out was the fact that the NYT gave both sides, saying the story was unverifiable.

    If it wasn't your usual pompous self-aggrandizing posting, what exactly was the point of the post?


  • #55
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    studiorat wrote: »
    Stop trying to derail the thread.
    Quite clearly I am responding to your derailment. That of your weak attempt at a smear.
    studiorat wrote: »
    As usual you'd rather argue semantics (badly I might add) or accuse people of what? Plagiarizing a question?
    It would be a remarkable coincidence if you weren't in fact a plagiarist based on the evidence, but I am willing to listen to an explanation.
    studiorat wrote: »
    You made the assertion that your pals in Hezbollah were "strong" :rolleyes: Yet you still are unable to explain why "Hezbollah failed miserably to protect Lebanon from the F-16s of the Israeli Air Force and the kilotons of bombs they dumped on our houses and infrastructure."
    Because "strong" encompasses far more than simply the numbers of SAM's or an airforce.
    studiorat wrote: »
    Then when your finished that. Perhaps you would like to explain why you are deliberately misleading
    People in ethically precarious positions shoudn't accuse others of same especially when the accusation is as laughably piss-poor as your's is. With the cloud of plagiarism hanging over your head this clearly applies to you.
    studiorat wrote: »
    You posted "what the NYT says" and posted your "apparent reality", what you left out was the fact that the NYT gave both sides, saying the story was unverifiable.
    I assume you know how links work? I repeat, I did not leave anything out of the article by virtue of linking to it. Any pretense of otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.
    studiorat wrote: »
    If it wasn't your usual pompous self-aggrandizing posting, what exactly was the point of the post?
    Ask questions civilly if you want a response.


  • #56
    studiorat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭studiorat


    Brown Bomber wrote: »

    People in ethically precarious positions shoudn't accuse others of same especially when the accusation is as laughably piss-poor as your's is. With the cloud of plagiarism hanging over your head this clearly applies to you.

    The "cloud of plagarism", that's pretty special. I've read some stupid adages before but that takes the biscuit. Please tell me you didn't make that up yourself.

    I think you should get over yourself Bomber, this is a forum read by maybe 50 people. No one gives a **** about "plagarism", it's not the Times :rolleyes:. We don't all use the forum to play pretend journalist.

    So anyway, if the NYT did say that the videos were un-verifiable what was the point of your post in the first place?


  • #57
    Jaafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Jaafa


    The bombing of a ''bakery'' that supposedly killed 50-100+ people according to the rebels and made big news lately was staged.

    Furthermore in a report on the bombing by reuters (the link eludes me atm, I'll keep trying to find it) they said despite the rebels claiming 80+ people had been killed, the rebels only provided the names of 22, all of them happened to be male.


  • #58
    Jonny7
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    Jaafa wrote: »
    The bombing of a ''bakery'' that supposedly killed 50-100+ people according to the rebels and made big news lately was staged.

    Furthermore in a report on the bombing by reuters (the link eludes me atm, I'll keep trying to find it) they said despite the rebels claiming 80+ people had been killed, the rebels only provided the names of 22, all of them happened to be male.

    Is this the article?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8AJ1FK20121224
    Dozens of people were killed and many more wounded in a Syrian government air strike that hit a bakery where a crowd was queuing for bread on Sunday, activists said.

    If confirmed, the attack on Halfaya in central Syria, which was seized by rebels last week, would be one of the deadliest air strikes of Syria's civil war.

    Where is the article that confirms the strike and the exact toll?


  • #59
    Jaafa
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    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Is this the article?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/24/us-syria-crisis-idUSBRE8AJ1FK20121224



    Where is the article that confirms the strike and the exact toll?

    It was actually this BBC article.
    They put the number of dead at more than 90, but the BBC's Jim Muir in neighbouring Lebanon says they named or otherwise identified only 23 of them - all men.

    The only ''confirmation'' as such that I've seen is the video, which as pointed out above has it's issues.


  • #60
    Jonny7
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    Jaafa wrote: »
    It was actually this BBC article.

    Does it fall under anti-Syrian propaganda? if so, how so?


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  • #61
    Brown Bomber
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    IDF Linked "Israel News Agency" reported Assad's assasination courtesy of the Iranians.
    http://www.israelnewsagency.com/basharassadsyriaassassinationdeadiranrussiaarmyusisraelidfnatoturkeyalawitesobamanetanyahu48032413.html

    Wasn't long before fake photos were being released

    fake but graphic    . It's Assad's head photoshopped onto Gadaffi's corpse.

    http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/03/unverified-picture-of-assads-dead-body-2446452.html


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