Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

DDC1990 · 08-03-2012 04:20PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I was kinda hoping he'd move to Leinster to be honest.

If this is true Nagle should start putting the feelers out for a new club. POC, DOC, and Ryan will all be signed up for next season. So if MOD or Holland sign on too he'll be well down the pecking order. Even if he just left for a year that would be a huge benefit to him.

??? Why?

Unless you are from Leinster!

Ryan has been exceptional for Munster!

Why would we want him to move to our biggest rival?

CatFromHue · 08-03-2012 04:21PM

DDC1990 wrote: »

??? Why?

Unless you are from Leinster!

Ryan has been exceptional for Munster!

Why would we want him to move to our biggest rival?

I'm breaking of the Ten Commandments here in coveting one of your players!

Otacon · 08-03-2012 04:31PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm breaking of the Ten Commandments here in coveting one of your players!

You can have Ryan if we can have Healy?

Fishooks12 · 08-03-2012 04:34PM

The only way I could see Ryan leaving was if DOC was starting ahead of him, not the case though so I'm not surprised he's stayed

Nagle really needs to look at his situation, if the guy has desires of playing top level rugby he needs at least a year of development elsewhere. Can't see him getting the game time at Munster as things stand

DDC1990 · 08-03-2012 04:36PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm breaking of the Ten Commandments here in coveting one of your players!

Sorry, didn't know you were from Leinster :P

Fair play to you, not often a poster comes across as unbiased :P

Covet away... he's staying :P

CIARAN_BOYLE · 08-03-2012 04:38PM

Good news for Munster to resign their second best lock. Nagle should look at other options if MOD and Holland resign. Too good to be 7th choice.

jm08 · 08-03-2012 04:49PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Good news for Munster to resign their second best lock. Nagle should look at other options if MOD and Holland resign. Too good to be 7th choice.

MOD is retiring at the end of the season.

According to reports ive heard, Nagle hasnt been playing much this year because Munster are trying to get him to bulk up a bit which cant be done if you are playing a lot.

irishbucsfan · 08-03-2012 05:25PM

jm08 wrote: »

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Good news for Munster to resign their second best lock. Nagle should look at other options if MOD and Holland resign. Too good to be 7th choice.

MOD is retiring at the end of the season.

According to reports ive heard, Nagle hasnt been playing much this year because Munster are trying to get him to bulk up a bit which cant be done if you are playing a lot.

Yeah that's what I thought. You can't add mass while playing regularly, makes sense.

totallegend · 08-03-2012 05:37PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yeah that's what I thought. You can't add mass while playing regularly, makes sense.

But he hasn't played at all; surely some sort of game time would be a good idea?

irishbucsfan · 08-03-2012 05:58PM

totallegend wrote: »

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yeah that's what I thought. You can't add mass while playing regularly, makes sense.

But he hasn't played at all; surely some sort of game time would be a good idea?

I felt the same at the start of the season about Nagles game time, but he has visibly bulked up.

Its not like they've been playing geriatrics all year, Dave Foley is the same age as Nagle.

Id say Nagle is doing a lot of gym work this year that he simply couldn't do if he was on the recovery/maintenance gym programs they give to the first teamers during the season, and I think that could well be why he hasnt seen as much rugby as a guy of his ability could have.

Wouldn't have surprised me if POM had been given something similar if Munster had a fit back row this year either actually.

Monty Burnz · 08-03-2012 06:00PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Wouldn't have surprised me if POM had been given something similar if Munster had a fit back row this year either actually.

He does look to lack some bulk - it's a tribute to him that he can compete so well if he's at a physical disadvantage to where he could be.

budhabob · 08-03-2012 06:12PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I felt the same at the start of the season about Nagles game time, but he has visibly bulked up.

Its not like they've been playing geriatrics all year, Dave Foley is the same age as Nagle.

Id say Nagle is doing a lot of gym work this year that he simply couldn't do if he was on the recovery/maintenance gym programs they give to the first teamers during the season, and I think that could well be why he hasnt seen as much rugby as a guy of his ability could have.

Wouldn't have surprised me if POM had been given something similar if Munster had a fit back row this year either actually.

I agree, looking at pictures of nagle from the recent training session he has certainly visibly bulked up. Foley looked quite small physically in comparison.

phog · 08-03-2012 06:32PM

totallegend wrote: »

But he hasn't played at all; surely some sort of game time would be a good idea?

That's simply untrue. He's got Pro12 gametime and unfortunately for him missed the first few games of the season during the w/cup due to injury.

Benny Cake · 08-03-2012 06:38PM

jm08 wrote: »

According to reports ive heard, Nagle hasnt been playing much this year because Munster are trying to get him to bulk up a bit which cant be done if you are playing a lot.

I hope you're right. However, its also possibile that he's just not as good as we thought/hoped he was. Regardless of what weights program he's on, when you're behind Billy Holland, its not a good sign.

liam12989 · 08-03-2012 07:16PM

Stringer to connacht? has anyone heard anything?

Spudmonkey · 08-03-2012 08:39PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

He does look to lack some bulk - it's a tribute to him that he can compete so well if he's at a physical disadvantage to where he could be.

I always thought he looked a little light. Then again it's not that easy to just add muscle especially on bigger guys. It sounds plausible that's why he isn't getting as much game time as he is.

totallegend · 08-03-2012 10:42PM

Spudmonkey wrote: »

I always thought he looked a little light. Then again it's not that easy to just add muscle especially on bigger guys. It sounds plausible that's why he isn't getting as much game time as he is.

Is it remotely possible that McGahan just doesn't rate him? Like, he turned out for Cork Con last week when he was supposedly injured/on study leave/on a conditioning programme.

Podge_irl · 08-03-2012 11:28PM

totallegend wrote: »

Is it remotely possible that McGahan just doesn't rate him? Like, he turned out for Cork Con last week when he was supposedly injured/on study leave/on a conditioning programme.

Very possible. Though you'd have to wonder what on Earth they gave him a contract for in that case.

CiaranMT · 08-03-2012 11:54PM

Benny Cake wrote: »

I hope you're right. However, its also possibile that he's just not as good as we thought/hoped he was. Regardless of what weights program he's on, when you're behind Billy Holland, its not a good sign.

Like it has been said, and over on mfans, he's being fattened up this season.

I reckon we'll see a lot more of him next season. He'll be ahead of Holland, wouldn't be surprised to see MOD move on/retire.

Spudmonkey · 09-03-2012 09:38AM

totallegend wrote: »

Is it remotely possible that McGahan just doesn't rate him? Like, he turned out for Cork Con last week when he was supposedly injured/on study leave/on a conditioning programme.

Possibly but I sincerely doubt it. As Podge said, he was given a full contract for this season which he wouldn't had he not been rated. They had three years to suss him out and to be honest he hasn't even played that much since his MOTM performance against Australia.

I don't know why they aren't playing him but I doubt its down to ability.

Benny Cake · 09-03-2012 09:48AM

CiaranMT wrote: »

Like it has been said, and over on mfans, he's being fattened up this season.

I reckon we'll see a lot more of him next season. He'll be ahead of Holland, wouldn't be surprised to see MOD move on/retire.

The same munsterfans that told us Bowe had signed for Munster & that it was a "done deal"? You'll forgive me for taking allot of whats written over there with a pinch of salt....

Like I said previously, I hope Nagle breaks through properly next year but I remain to be convinced about his capacity to be a long term starter for Munster.

Amazotheamazing · 09-03-2012 10:10AM

I don't understand the urgency to play Nagle, he's still a a young guy and could play til his late 30's for all we know, what's the rush? Better off to wait til he's fully ready (which his history of niggles indicates he isn't).

ormond lad · 09-03-2012 10:18AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I don't understand the urgency to play Nagle, he's still a a young guy and could play til his late 30's for all we know, what's the rush? Better off to wait til he's fully ready (which his history of niggles indicates he isn't).

To some he is world class and we will lose him to another club if we dont play him-which doesnt seem to be the case as he'd have moved to northampton if that was the case

He is 23 and in 3 seasons been involved in 16 games. People saw him v OZ immediately thought he was ready for HEC action and thought he'd be thrown in straight away. Clearly he wasnt. Donnacha O Callaghan was introduced to Munster the same way, a couple of seasons of very little gametime that gradually built up season by seaspn

Amazotheamazing · 09-03-2012 10:29AM

ormond lad wrote: »

To some he is world class and we will lose him to another club if we dont play him-which doesnt seem to be the case as he'd have moved to northampton if that was the case

He is 23 and in 3 seasons been involved in 16 games. People saw him v OZ immediately thought he was ready for HEC action and thought he'd be thrown in straight away. Clearly he wasnt. Donnacha O Callaghan was introduced to Munster the same way, a couple of seasons of very little gametime that gradually built up season by seaspn

As was Donncha Ryan, it'd be different if Munster were badly caught for International standard second rows, but we aren't. Maybe it'd be better for Irish rugby if he was off playing somewhere but that's a different issue.

CiaranMT · 09-03-2012 10:35AM

Benny Cake wrote: »

The same munsterfans that told us Bowe had signed for Munster & that it was a "done deal"? You'll forgive me for taking allot of whats written over there with a pinch of salt....

Like I said previously, I hope Nagle breaks through properly next year but I remain to be convinced about his capacity to be a long term starter for Munster.

Same amount of rubbish spouted both here and there, with a lot more sense over there.

EDIT: That makes no sense. What I meant to say was the number of knowledgeable posters on mfans far exceeds the dross. The reverse could be said for here.

CatFromHue · 09-03-2012 11:26AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

As was Donncha Ryan, it'd be different if Munster were badly caught for International standard second rows, but we aren't. Maybe it'd be better for Irish rugby if he was off playing somewhere but that's a different issue.

Obviously it's great for Munster to have both quality and quantity in the their second rows but not necessarily for the fella at the bottom of the pile i.e. Nagle.

I had a look through the IRFU site as they list the teams for the club games and Nagle was subbing or starting for Con in most of their games. As a pro rugby player that's not what you want to be doing. This is why I was saying he should be thinking of moving.

On his Munster profile it states that he was in the Academy for two years, then moved to a development contract, and is now on a full contract. To me that indicates he's been in the Munster system for three years before this one. The bulking up theory as to why he's not getting any game time doesn't make any sense to me. If this was needed he should have been doing it last season when he was on a development contract. Instead he got 8 starts in the Magners last season. This season he's got 1.

Amazotheamazing · 09-03-2012 11:35AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Obviously it's great for Munster to have both quality and quantity in the their second rows but not necessarily for the fella at the bottom of the pile i.e. Nagle.

I had a look through the IRFU site as they list the teams for the club games and Nagle was subbing or starting for Con in most of their games. As a pro rugby player that's not what you want to be doing. This is why I was saying he should be thinking of moving.

On his Munster profile it states that he was in the Academy for two years, then moved to a development contract, and is now on a full contract. To me that indicates he's been in the Munster system for three years before this one. The bulking up theory as to why he's not getting any game time doesn't make any sense to me. If this was needed he should have been doing it last season when he was on a development contract. Instead he got 8 starts in the Magners last season. This season he's got 1.

We needed him more last season, this year we've POC back. We played Hayes in the second row last season too, iirc, it was a tough season.

What really derailed Nagle this season was the injury in the preseason game to LI. It's also worth remembering Foley is a decent prospect in his own right (gutted he got injured).

padraig.od · 09-03-2012 12:27PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

We needed him more last season, this year we've POC back. We played Hayes in the second row last season too, iirc, it was a tough season.

What really derailed Nagle this season was the injury in the preseason game to LI. It's also worth remembering Foley is a decent prospect in his own right (gutted he got injured).

Foley is more than a decent prospect, he'll be brilliant....

bleg · 10-03-2012 08:06PM

Ruddock for the Munster job anybody?

Amazotheamazing · 10-03-2012 08:32PM

bleg wrote: »

Ruddock for the Munster job anybody?

Would hate to see it tbh.

Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Comments