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New primary teaching 4 year B.ed?

  • 24-02-2012 10:56PM
    #1
    cianpu
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    Hi I am just wondering if anyone has any information on the 4 year b.ed planned for next year as i plan on going to pats in sept. to do it but can't seem to find anything on it.
    any info. would be appreciated, Thanks.


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  • #2
    dambarude
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭dambarude


    You should get on to the college by email.

    In Mary I the new programme still isn't finalised, and there's very little info on it on the website. The main difference between the B.Ed in Pats now and the new one will be that you won't have an arts subject and there'll be much more teaching practice. These changes apply to all B.Eds.


  • #3
    stakerwallace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭stakerwallace


    dambarude wrote: »
    You should get on to the college by email.

    In Mary I the new programme still isn't finalised, and there's very little info on it on the website. The main difference between the B.Ed in Pats now and the new one will be that you won't have an arts subject and there'll be much more teaching practice. These changes apply to all B.Eds.

    Bad move: loads of St Pat's and Mary I grads over the years have used their Arts subjects to do something else. I'm one and I 'm not in anything related to teaching. Up to now you could qualify for a Masters prog in your Arts section if you got hons, as I did, or do something else such as Counselling. The new degree will be a totally locked in programme , set for life but somehow trapped. Students Union should wake up and do so very soon. But I doubt it. Unlike my time there, they are now total insider wanabees and getting seduced by the bosses.


  • #4
    Cailin CoisFarraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Cailin CoisFarraige


    stakerwallace wrote: »
    Students Union should wake up and do so very soon. But I doubt it. Unlike my time there, they are now total insider wanabees and getting seduced by the bosses.

    I think that's a bit unfair. For starters, the SU are not the ones designing the new programme, and for all we know they may have recommended keeping the Arts aspect of the B.Ed. In my experience, all members of the Students' Union have been helpful and fair. The Teaching Council have not allowed sufficient time for the Arts aspect of the course. Personally I'm enjoying my Arts subject, and I'm not the only one, but there are lots who feel it's a waste of time and that's fair enough.

    OP, they've given us a little bit of information about the new course, but don't take any of this as certain okay? Much of it still has to be finalised.

    > Two weeks in the Gaeltacht after 1st year and two weeks after 2nd year, as opposed to the single 3-week slot required by the old course. This is no longer funded (the college/council/DES used to pay for it - not sure which one).

    > Optional modules in a chosen Arts subject. These would not be sufficient to do a postgrad in whatever Arts subject.

    > More time devoted to ICT.

    > More time in schools. Every Friday of first semester to be spent observing in a school. A full semester will be spent on placement, not necessarily teaching practice for the full semester, just part of it. The rest will be as teaching assistant, resource teacher etc.

    > A choice between Religious Education and "Ethics education" (i.e. the type of programme that would be taught in Educate Together schools).

    > Religious Cert is still on offer - this is not something required by the Teaching Council or the colleges, but by Catholic schools, so it is not influenced by the changes to the course.

    > Professional Gaeilge, English, Maths and Science to be included in the study of these subjects - some of us were having trouble with primary school physics and the like!

    > More time devoted to your chosen education elective. At the minute we only have one semester of this.

    Hope this was useful. Would definitely agree that you should email the college itself, the new course sounds really positive though. IMO, the Arts aspect should have been held on to, but other than that I'd happily accept most of the changes to the Education modules.


  • #5
    stakerwallace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭stakerwallace


    Gaeltacht placement will be at students' own expense. Ethics versus RE is a false choice as most students will feel compelled by prevailing managerial structures in schools to do RE. Why not do both? The professional Irish , English and Maths courses are indicative of the fall in standards at LC and the need to reform there. The Arts subject was designed to give the depth and appreciation of knowledge which can't be gained from a mix and match type course characterised by superficiality. Teachers will be further deskilled, have no indepth professional depth in any one subject, except in the dubious quasi-knowledge /opinion of much educational theory. It's an appalling prospect that our primary teachers won't be able to lay claim to the traditions and canons of knowledge as they have been developed over thousands of years. Instead they will swim about in a mire of sociological balderdash.


  • #6
    MISU Office
    Company Representative Posts: 195 Verified rep ✭MISU Office


    Hello all,

    In terms of Mary I, the course outline is still being designed so that is why there is no info available on it on the MIC website. As you can imagine, the college does not want to rush the design of the programme so students will have to stick it out and wait until the details are released.

    In terms of the SU's involvment here in MIC, MISU has a representative on the Design Committee of the new programme. Issues students have raised with us are being brought to the committee and we are trying to make sure the timetable is not as jam packed as it currently is, while also making sure more relevant content is covered.

    We have also tried holding focus groups of students to look at the programme deisgn. These have had varying levels of success.


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