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Why should I care?

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  • #32
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    lividduck wrote: »
    Giving money away to other countries (often to countries with self inflicted problems and no shortage of weapons) is ludicrus.

    So should we give the EU back all the money they gave us in the 70's/80's/90's as well as the more recent bailout money ?


  • #33
    Bad Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,205 ✭✭✭Bad Panda


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So should we give the EU back all the money they gave us in the 70's/80's/90's as well as the more recent bailout money ?

    Was just about to post this.

    What an idiotic opinion to hold, let alone to say.


  • #34
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    Bad Panda wrote: »
    Was just about to post this.

    What an idiotic opinion to hold, let alone to say.

    What happened to attack the post and not the poster?


  • #35
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Why would someone who happens to have been born closer to you have automatic rights to more sympathy, even if, objectively, their suffering is less than that of someone in another country? (I'd rather be homeless in Ireland than starving in the Third World)

    I always find it funny when I see posts complaining about overseas aid which should be spent on Irish disadvantaged people because I also see so many posts complaining about drug addicts and people on benefits here.

    It makes me think that some people just hate being asked to feel empathy for people less fortunate than them, regardless of where they're from, and really just couldn't give a s**t about any disadvantage people. There's a word beginning with "c" for people like that.


  • #36
    Robdude
    Closed Accounts Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Robdude


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Why should i care that there are millions of staving people in Africa?

    Why should i care that children are forced to work in sweatshops in China?

    Why should i care that there are only a few thousand gorillas left in some part of the world?


    My opinion: Why are there always ads on the telebox trying to make me feel guilty for something that is happening in another country on teh opposite side of the world which has no impact on the day to day running of my life? Why are they even allowed to advertise crap like this? (I know, money). I'm sick of seeing ads on every day advertising some poor souls in some third world country. I know there are millions being spent on overseas aid which would be better suited to be kept here at home.

    Why do people think less of you if, and to quote Billy Connolly, "i care, not-a-jot"?

    What's really screwed up is the people running the organizations are (often) making millions by getting people to feel guilty and donate to some cause.


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  • #37
    cassi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭cassi


    You're dead right op!

    Interrupting your tv watching or newspaper reading, asking for help from the more fortunate, for starving, dying people around the world. The absolute hack of them using popular media to get their message out.


  • #38
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    It makes me think that some people just hate being asked to feel empathy for people less fortunate than them, regardless of where they're from, and really just couldn't give a s**t about any disadvantage people. There's a word beginning with "c" for people like that.

    Again, i'm not complaining about overseas aid, it's grand when it's affordable, and it was just an example. My point (again) is why i should give a ****. Why does society dictate that if i don't, then i am the aforementioned c word?


  • #39
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Again, i'm not complaining about overseas aid, it's grand when it's affordable, and it was just an example. My point (again) is why i should give a ****. Why does society dictate that if i don't, then i am the aforementioned c word?

    You don't HAVE to care.
    You can by-pass the collectors, change the station or lower it down if need be. You can throw away the collection leaflets, etc.
    You DO have options.


  • #40
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Again, i'm not complaining about overseas aid, it's grand when it's affordable, and it was just an example. My point (again) is why i should give a ****. Why does society dictate that if i don't, then i am the aforementioned c word?

    Because most of these people are in these situations because they've had the bad fortune to be born into it, whereas we're lucky to have been born in a first world society. Something to be grateful for.

    And because basic human empathy is a trait necessary to be found in most people in order for society to function, and most people possess it, so if someone seems to lack it, it does paint them in a poor light.


  • #41
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So should we give the EU back all the money they gave us in the 70's/80's/90's as well as the more recent bailout money ?
    We NEVER recieved overseas aid in that sense.
    We recieved reigonal grants, cohesion funds etc as a part of the EEC/EC/EU membership, a completley different thing. And we didnt use the funds to buy weapons and kill our own people.

    By all means you give your money away, thats your perogitive. I just object to 2% of our income tax take being handed over to forign countries/warlords/tribal chiefs etc.


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  • #42
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Biggins wrote: »
    You don't HAVE to care.
    You can by-pass the collectors, change the station or lower it down if need be. You can throw away the collection leaflets, etc.
    You DO have options.
    What is the option when 2% of all income tax collected is given away to other countries? How do I unsubscribe to that?
    We could abolish the household charge and the TV licience with what we give away, and i know what most families would go for given the choice and it wouldnt be handouts to the so called £rd world.


  • #43
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    lividduck wrote: »
    What is the option when 2% of all income tax collected is given away to other countries? How do I unsubscribe to that?
    We could abolish the household charge and the TV licience with what we give away, and i know what most families would go for given the choice and it wouldnt be handouts to the so called £rd world.

    To me, that's not that much.

    Would you mind giving it away if you knew the money would all be going to the people who needed it?

    I'm also not sure what you mean by the "so called" Third World. Do you think they're more developed than they're letting on?


  • #44
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    lividduck wrote: »
    What is the option when 2% of all income tax collected is given away to other countries?

    A good question for which I, myself honestly don't have an answer for.


  • #45
    CajunOnTour
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 82 ✭✭CajunOnTour


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So should we give the EU back all the money they gave us in the 70's/80's/90's as well as the more recent bailout money ?

    How much, exactly, did they give us? As for the "bail-out"...'twas their banking system they were bailing out, not "us".

    Just like indifference to the plight of others, naivety can be carried too far :cool:


  • #46
    treborflynn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 105 ✭✭treborflynn


    sure if you were stuck like they were wouldnt ya want anyone to do anything they can to help ya out, just cause you have a job and a few pound in the bank dont be up on yer high horse like the ould dickhead cocknose that ya are.


  • #47
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    I have that, for people who are homeless in Ireland, but why should i feel it for people who have no consequence to my life?

    @ VagnerLove (really??): Not intentionally starting anything, just asking why! And i do love AH answers to lifes questions!

    Ever hear of narcisstic personaltiy disorder?


  • #48
    RonToole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 ✭RonToole


    Potential-Monke wrote: »

    a) Why should i care that there are millions of staving people in Africa?

    b) Why should i care that children are forced to work in sweatshops in China?

    c) Why should i care that there are only a few thousand gorillas left in some part of the world?

    a) Empathy, for those less well off than ourselves. We were lucky enough to be born into a society where we can do well for ourselves with little or no help from outsiders. Those born into a society where they're used for sex trafficking, slavery and no means of making a positive change for themselves really have no real chance unless we can help out in some way - advertising is their way of making us see just how much they do need our help.

    b) Refer to a)

    c) I'm assuming the idea of not letting Wildlife become extinct is down to an attitude of, "Where do we draw the line?" Gorillas first, then Pandas, then Buffalo, then onto Whales etc etc etc. I believe it's a method of trying to keep a fine line between Humans becoming Animals and staying "Human."

    Going back to the beginning of mankind we killed Animals for food, not fun. My view/outlook to that is that society is trying to keep us "Human."


    Rape used be an accepted form of sexual encounter. Nowadays it's illegal because it contradicts basic Human Rights.


  • #49
    lividduck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    treborflynn wrote: »
    sure if you were stuck like they were wouldnt ya want anyone to do anything they can to help ya out, just cause you have a job and a few pound in the bank dont be up on yer high horse like the ould dickhead cocknose that ya are.
    Such eloquence, such a grasp of the English language, such an ability to put forward a structured and well thought out arguement, I stand humbled in the presence of your articulative abilities


  • #50
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    treborflynn wrote: »
    sure if you were stuck like they were wouldnt ya want anyone to do anything they can to help ya out, just cause you have a job and a few pound in the bank dont be up on yer high horse like the ould dickhead cocknose that ya are.

    Banned.


  • #51
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Ever hear of narcisstic personaltiy disorder?

    I have, and i don't have it.


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  • #52
    Pacifist Pigeon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Pacifist Pigeon


    I'm going to watch some objectivist porn...


  • #53
    wilkie2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭wilkie2006


    I really hope that this thread has been started by a troll.


  • #54
    im invisible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,372 ✭✭✭im invisible


    The trick, I find OP, is to just not care...

    I mean yeah, I 'care' that there are people starving in the world, that rainforests are being cut down, that wars are going on across the globe, but what am i going to do about it? NOTHING. Someone else will sort it out.

    Might add more later, maybe someone else will make my argument for me, and i might thank their post,


  • #55
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,108 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    wilkie2006 wrote: »
    I really hope that this thread has been started by a troll.

    Not a troll, just trying to start a conversation.


  • #56
    smokedeels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭smokedeels


    The 3rd world owes a lot of it's problems to the system that affords you the life you have.

    You don't have to care, but keep in mind that people are dying so can enjoy a carefree approach to famine and poverty.


  • #57
    wilkie2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭wilkie2006


    wilkie2006 wrote: »
    I really hope that this thread has been started by a troll.
    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    Not a troll, just trying to start a conversation.

    For one fleeting moment I thought that maybe - just maybe - I'd underestimated the OP, who was actually trying to invite a philosophical discourse, where the merits of Rousseau's Noble Savage could be contrasted with Hobbes's Natural State of Man. Having had a look at his other recent posts - computer games, The Rubber Bandits and how $hit art house films are - I'm pretty sure that's not the case. In fact, I suspect you've never even heard of these men. Am I right? Probably.

    I'm pretty amazed by the original post, to be honest. I never thought I'd hear Mé féinism defined in such a caricatured way.

    Why should anyone care about anyone else? How about: compassion; decency; a sense of outrage over Man's inhumanity to Man; an innate desire to see justice in the world; a recognition that widespread social and economic inequality isn't right just because "that's the way things are"...

    If people are satisfied not to give a fcuk about anyone else then that's their business but that short-sighted, parochial, selfish realm is not one that I wish to live in.

    OP, perhaps you should take some time to reflect on Edmund Burke's words: "The only thing necessary for the triumph [of evil] is for good men to do nothing."


  • #58
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    fluorescence wrote: »
    Basic human empathy?

    how much of the donated money is spent on those ads? wouldnt that money be better used on the people they are advertising for?

    personally i don't donate to african charities cos very little of it actually makes it to africa. i prefer to support local charities.


  • #59
    wilkie2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭wilkie2006


    treborflynn wrote: »
    sure if you were stuck like they were wouldnt ya want anyone to do anything they can to help ya out, just cause you have a job and a few pound in the bank dont be up on yer high horse like the ould dickhead cocknose that ya are.
    lividduck wrote: »
    Such eloquence, such a grasp of the English language, such an ability to put forward a structured and well thought out arguement, I stand humbled in the presence of your articulative abilities

    I think that's actually quite a well-thought out argument by treborflynn. It's simple and it's true.

    Lividduck: I guess you think you were being very clever with your pretentious and snide riposte. Actually, you weren't.


  • #60
    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    My opinion: Why are there always ads on the telebox trying to make me feel guilty for something that is happening in another country on teh opposite side of the world which has no impact on the day to day running of my life?

    start up a group called, Action Against Charity Advertisement Cause It Annoys Me or (AACACIAM for short), print flyers and start up a website, march on the government building, make your own advertisments against it to be broadcast on television or ya could just change the FCUKING channel!!!.... sheeesshhh!


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  • #61
    skregs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭skregs


    Bomb Africa and India, wiping all human life from both.

    World poverty = eradicted, raising the general health and thus increasing the long-term survival of the human race.

    Prove me wrong, losers.


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