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How many Calories in a Snackbox?

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    #32
    Chuck Stone
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    Forcing eateries to put calorie counts on their stuff is another one of those stupid fuck ideas some pen pusher or ambitious cock of a medic or politician has come up with to raise their profile.

    The large chains like McD's, BK, KFC et al will be delighted because they have rationalized their food servings and the cost of putting calories on menus will be proportionately tiny.

    The costs to a local cafe in small town of this pathetic measure will be proportionately punitive and time consuming.

    Useful fucking idiots for the corporate world.


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    #33
    cocoshovel
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    Id say well over half your daily recommended intake...............fat ass.


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    #34
    PseudoFamous
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    According to KFC, two pieces of chicken and large fries is 855 calories.

    jesus, add in my usual oreo milkshake, and it's a wonder I'm not obese.


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    #35
    Fluorescence
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Forcing eateries to put calorie counts on their stuff is another one of those stupid fuck ideas some pen pusher or ambitious cock of a medic or politician has come up with to raise their profile.

    The large chains like McD's, BK, KFC et al will be delighted because they have rationalized their food servings and the cost of putting calories on menus will be proportionately tiny.

    The costs to a local cafe in small town of this pathetic measure will be proportionately punitive and time consuming.

    Useful fucking idiots for the corporate world.

    Everyone has the right to know what the hell they're putting into their mouths.


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    #36
    Mint Sauce
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    #37
    Chuck Stone
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    fluorescence wrote: »
    Everyone has the right to know what the hell they're putting into their mouths.

    That is usually achieved by eating with the lights on.


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    #38
    Biggins
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Forcing eateries to put calorie counts on their stuff is another one of those stupid fuck ideas some pen pusher or ambitious cock of a medic or politician has come up with to raise their profile.

    The large chains like McD's, BK, KFC et al will be delighted because they have rationalized their food servings and the cost of putting calories on menus will be proportionately tiny.

    The costs to a local cafe in small town of this pathetic measure will be proportionately punitive and time consuming.

    Useful fucking idiots for the corporate world.

    Calorie counts on menus is an idea that had been adopted by a number of countries.
    Example:
    * http://yourlife.usatoday.com/fitness-food/diet-nutrition/story/2011/07/Fast-food-calorie-counts-on-menus-prompt-cuts/49678316/1
    * http://www.10news.com/news/26336322/detail.html

    The people that were pushing for it was in a lot of cases, those that are involved in people health organisations and keeping people healthy.
    Some politicians (even Obama) opposed it!
    The politicians were lobbied the hell out of by big chain groups who didn't want the public better informed - for fear they might cut down and spend less!

    The large chains actually opposed it in the States and a number of them are opposing it still here in Ireland (as I mentioned already, Dr Reilly said he will name and shame the still non-compliant ones after years end).

    In actual fact, governments are just pushing for more information to be made available to the public so that they can then decide on their own without nanny-state interjection, what they further wish to eat.
    Its about giving the people more information so they can make their own better informed choices, that's all.

    The actual costs to local cafes and similar places will amount to them having to list on re-done menus, what a cup of coffee, tea or standard daily meal consists of.
    Ink and paper is not free but its also not that expensive still in the long run.
    Having a better informed public is never a bad thing I feel.


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    #39
    Fluorescence
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Having a better informed public is never a bad thing I feel.

    A frightening majority of people in Ireland have no idea of what manner of crap is in the food they eat. It's actually appalling how little the general public knows about nutrition. Schemes like this can only be a positive thing :D


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    #40
    Chuck Stone
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    Biggins wrote: »
    In actual fact, governments are just pushing for more information to be made available to the public so that they can then decide on their own without nanny-state interjection

    Do you see what's wrong with the sentence above?

    Let's say calories on menus become a legal requirement. Small restaurants and cafés will have to waste time and money figuring out the calories on their menu. When the menu changes or a new meal is introduced they will have to reprint the menu and work out the calories all over again. AFAIA these small local businesses have very tight margins of profit so this will just be an added burden in time and cost.

    Another thing. Who will enforce this if it becomes law? Will we have another office with PS bureaucrats on 40 to 60K a year making sure local cafés and one establishment eateries comply with a retarded nanny state rule?

    I hate the idea. In fact when I go for a meal I don't want to know how many calories are in it. I just want to stuff myself guilt free. Isn't that what eating out is all about?

    Jesus.

    Edit: Maybe places with more than 200 employees or something but ffs leave the small indigenous businesses alone.


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    #41
    WoollyRedHat
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    biko wrote: »
    http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

    http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l101h7hnm51qzvnxpo1_500.jpg

    That's all sorts of wrong.


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    #42
    Biggins
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Let's say calories on menus become a legal requirement. Small restaurants and cafés will have to waste time and money figuring out the calories on their menu. When the menu changes or a new meal is introduced they will have to reprint the menu and work out the calories all over again.

    How and when a menu changes will be up to individual businesses.
    Any chef or cook worth their salt should via previous training know this stuff anyway!
    Once the basics are known (and they should be anyway), its just a case of adding up the numbers and giving a approx show of info.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Another thing. Who will enforce this if it becomes law?
    I assume (guess) the Dept of Health backed-up by statute law?
    On ground level enforced by already hired health officials that inspect premises for already established breaking of health laws.
    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I hate the idea. In fact when I go for a meal I don't want to know how many calories are in it. I just want to stuff myself guilt free. Isn't that what eating out is all about?
    So just because you don't want to read a calorie count, others who might wish to be informed of such things, should be denied their rights either, to such information?
    Is one's willpower so weak that even though you might read a calorie count, you can't force yourself to ignore it?


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    #43
    don ramo
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    yay, now its gonna take long longer to order when your going out for dinner cause the fat cows are watching there figures;):D


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    #44
    tayto lover
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    I have a calorie counter fitted in my teeth. My new job is to visit takeaways and try out their food on behalf of the Govt. The food must be provided free of charge. Getting my little I.D. card made this week.


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    #45
    Chuck Stone
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    Biggins wrote: »
    So just because you don't want to read a calorie count, others who might wish to be informed of such things, should be denied their rights either, to such information?
    Is one's willpower so weak that even though you might read a calorie count, you can't force yourself to ignore it?

    It's not the calorie count thing it's primarily because it will affect small businesses more. Big corporations love regulations because the more regulations there are the greater the difficulty of breaking into or staying alive in a particular market.

    I'm not against all regulations, like cleanliness surveillance in restaurants for example, because it protects the public from becoming ill and at worst death. Nevertheless, regulations add cost - the more regulation added the more difficult it is to break into a market.

    Also people who are prone to obesity will probably be those who will ignore this type of measure making it useless bureaucratic meddling in peoples lives and businesses.

    I don't need some goofy jobsworth telling me that eating a big plate of battered cod and chips is high in calories and anyone who does need to be told this will probably have difficulty understanding simple concepts or not give a flying **** anyway.


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    #46
    Kxiii
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l101h7hnm51qzvnxpo1_500.jpg

    That's all sorts of wrong.


    Yeah your right...

    Round Milky ways, who ever heard of such things.:D


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    #47
    Biggins
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    It's not the calorie count thing it's primarily because it will affect small businesses more. Big corporations love regulations because the more regulations there are the greater the difficulty of breaking into or staying alive in a particular market.

    I'm not against all regulations, like cleanliness surveillance in restaurants for example, because it protects the public from becoming ill and at worst death. Nevertheless, regulations add cost - the more regulation added the more difficult it is to break into a market.

    Also people who are prone to obesity will probably be those who will ignore this type of measure making it useless bureaucratic meddling in peoples lives and businesses.

    I don't need some goofy jobsworth telling me that eating a big plate of battered cod and chips is high in calories and anyone who does need to be told this will probably have difficulty understanding simple concepts or not give a flying **** anyway.

    Those that are concerned about their health, will with the voluntary (or by legal statute) adoption of calorie counts be able to make better informed decisions.
    A lot of people are calling for more transparency in just as many areas that effect their lives.
    At least the information will (should) be out there more so now.
    After that, it can be quiet easy for individuals to decide what way to go in eating and choice.

    As for "bureaucratic meddling" - its not in the long term. Its the opposite!
    Initially the bureaucratic process will be used to (if need be) introduce such a better additional informative food system - then after that if most businesses do the right thing, the state and its supposed 'nanny-state' attitude, will step back and let the people themselves get on with making better informed decisions - on their own, just better informed with now more info.

    You might not need a "goofy jobsworth" telling you what calories, etc might be in your food - but others would like to be informed by educated people what exactly is going down their throats!
    At least now with a bit of help from business and initial prodding from the state, people will have that choice.
    More choice (and information) - not less (and kept in the dark)!


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    #48
    Gummy Panda
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    I prefer protein bars!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3nA2zqeX5Q


    Mmmm... bacon protein bar


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    #49
    Chuck Stone
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    Biggins wrote: »
    others would like to be informed by educated people what exactly is going down their throats!

    I'd imagine the few people genuinely interested in calories and saturated fats would have some idea about what to choose before they ever leave house.

    Battered cod & chips with garlic mayo: bad.
    Oven roasted fish with baked potato: not so bad.

    I didn't even have to google that. :)


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    #50
    Gummy Panda
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'd imagine the few people genuinely interested in calories and saturated fats would have some idea about what to choose before they ever leave house.

    Battered cod & chips with garlic mayo: bad.
    Oven roasted fish with baked potato: not so bad.

    I didn't even have to google that. :)

    its handy for people who are tracking calories over the course of week/month. Also people will be surprised when they see the calories on some foods like caesar salad.


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    #51
    Biggins
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'd imagine the few people genuinely interested in calories and saturated fats would have some idea about what to choose before they ever leave house.
    They should have a fair idea but if they are trying to stick to specialised diets (like the Atkins plan or Weight-Watchers system) then they will be able to make even better choices given menu's that good restaurant come up with with more specialised content.


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    #52
    coffee_cake
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    i would like some takeaway now


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    #53
    mconigol
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    I prefer protein bars!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3nA2zqeX5Q


    Mmmm... bacon protein bar

    Every guy in this video should be shot. Disgusting.


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    #54
    Biggins
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    bluewolf wrote: »
    i would like some takeaway now

    I fancy a Chinese 69 myself! :D


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    #55
    Naomi00
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    biko wrote: »
    http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/


    :eek:

    The food in that looks disgusting..


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    #56
    Dravokivich
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    Gummy Panda wrote: »
    I prefer protein bars!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3nA2zqeX5Q


    Mmmm... bacon protein bar

    Think they could do with a bit more bacon.


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    #57
    Teyla Emmagan
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    biko wrote: »
    http://thisiswhyyourefat.tumblr.com/

    God, that site is amazing. I have never seen such a collection of awesome culinary obscenities in my life before.

    I am rushing out to buy me a deep fat fryer!


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    #58
    Rabies
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    MickySticks wrote: »
    Bout 3 fiddy

    wow


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    #59
    El Horseboxo
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    Blatter wrote: »
    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    Around 1200.

    The chips would be upwards of the 700 mark and the chicken would be around 250 or more.

    Talk about scaremongering :pac:

    A snack box could be anywhere from 650 kCal to around 1200 kCal, it obviously depends on the portions. There is no real standard snack box, they vary far too much to give an accurate answer.

    It's not scaremongering. I Just never thought of places outside of chippers until my second post. A 100 gram fried and breaded chicken thigh is even over the 250 grams I mentioned. So multiple that by 2 and add a box full of chips. I'd have thought all snack boxes are on average close enough to the same size. I weighed and worked one out from macari's. The meat and breadcrumbs stripped from the bone weighted over 200 grams. The chips were slightly over 300 grams. There's about 240 calories per 100 grams of fried chipper chips. Add all that up and it's in excess of 1200 calories. I have the macros of every meal I eat nailed down. So my calculations would be fairly accurate.


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    #60
    saa
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    El Horseboxo wrote: »
    it's in excess of 1200 calories. I have the macros of every meal I eat nailed down. So my calculations would be fairly accurate.

    calories in 3 potatoes, 2 pieces of chicken with skin + unknown amount of fat and seeing how a small bit of oil can be 100 calories its hard to guess what the grease adds, I don't know why its so hard to get even ball park figures on chipper foods, I would of easily guessed 1000 ish..
    Its not scaremongering, even though the 1000 calories eddie rockets milkshake is pretty scary me not knowing about the calories or over estimating a bag of chips isn't going to change how many calories are being eaten.


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    #61
    kraggy
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    Biggins wrote: »
    For the record...

    So far there is no new regulations coming in that I know of.

    The Minster of Health Dr James Reilly stated on TV two weeks ago on RTE's "Operation Transformation" (and it was mentioned already in a previous thread) that he has asked for a code of behaviour in relation to such places willingly displaying calorie content on their menu.
    Dr Reilly further stated that the response back from the food outlets was not good and that if they didn't respond better by the end of the year, AFTER THAT, he would then further consider introducing further statutory laws, legally forcing the food industry serving the public in cafes, etc in Ireland, to list calorie content.

    They have till the end of the year to respond better with a voluntary system - if not, after that there might be further state laws introduced.
    Dr Reilly also stated that he would then name and shame those businesses that was currently unwilling to inform the public about the content they are eating.


    Listing calories in fast food places is mandatory here in Korea. Not sure what the criteria are for who has to diplay them and who doesn't but the Korean, family-owned places don't usually. But their food is healthy anyway.

    It's great because I personally have actually made choices as a result of seeing up front how many calories are in each item of food.

    In the fast food places here, in the picture menus above the counter, the calories are in the corner of the picture. I was surprised by many of them. For example, there are way more calories in french fries than say chicken pieces. Even though the french fries here are tiny.

    It's good that it makes you think before buying.

    Also, I think there should be a tax on fast food, junk food etc. It's the cause of a huge chunk of expenditure in the health service. They've made cigarettes extremely expensive, so why not fast food?


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