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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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  • #7682
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    The problem is 'evolutionism' isn't a power structure, it's a branch of science. You're getting it confused with a religion again.
    You're the yuys confusing your faith and your science.

    On this thread the Evolutionists are highly emotional people, in deep denial, that their faith in the power of microbes to morph into Man via billions of selected mistakes, doesn't stand up to scrutiny on any level!!!:)


  • #7683
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    J C wrote: »
    You're the yuys confusing your faith and your science.

    On this thread the Evolutionists are highly emotional people, in deep denial, that their faith in the power of microbes to morph into Man over via billions of selected mistakes, doesn't stand up to scrutiny on any level!!!:)

    Evolution is a fact, and demonstrable. No matter how many times you repeat yourself, you will never change this. Arguing from personal incredulity is not the basis of a well informed argument. You lose.


  • #7684
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What? You mean this solid, well thought out scientific idea has been abandoned by it's creator? Why oh why would be do such a thing? :eek: I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact it's horseshit backed up by no evidence whatsoever?
    Nope. It's more interesting than that -- Dumbski abandoned the idea pretty much after ID lost, big-time, at the Dover trial, when ID and its concomitant CISF nonsense was relegated, by ID supporters themselves (!), to the level of astrology. Once they admitted that, the game was up and the trial was lost. Shortly afterwards, Dumbski's wealthy financial/religious backers pulled the funding for his "research", his "center" was shut down and Dumbski moved on to work as a religious preacher for some minor redneck outfit in Texas somewhere.
    J C wrote: »
    I'm aware of no such thing
    I've brought Dumbski's abandonment of his immensely stupid ideas to your attention many times. If you're interested, please feel free to search back through this thread or the other one.


  • #7685
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    robindch wrote: »
    Nope. It's more interesting than that -- Dumbski abandoned the idea pretty much after ID lost, big-time, at the Dover trial, when ID and its concomitant CISF nonsense was relegated, by ID supporters themselves (!), to the level of astrology. Once they admitted that, the game was up and the trial was lost. Shortly afterwards, Dumbski's wealthy financial/religious backers pulled the funding for his "research", his "center" was shut down and Dumbski moved on to work as a religious preacher for some minor redneck outfit in Texas somewhere.
    Robin, the last time that I personally met somebody who was not respecting people by pronouncing their names improperly ... it was the school-yard bully at my school.
    Funny thing ... unlike you ... he stopped name-calling when I asked him to ... and apologised to all his victims.

    I never knew whether this was due to what I said to him about Jesus Christ ... or the fact that I was a 6' 4" 18-year old Evolutionist, at the time ... and with a physique ... and a bit of a 'survival of the fittest' attitude to match!!!
    Either way ... his victims thanked me ... and he thanked me ... and all the girls admired me ... so it was a win:win all round.

    ... you should try it too.:)

    robindch wrote: »
    I've brought Dumbski's abandonment of his immensely stupid ideas to your attention many times. If you're interested, please feel free to search back through this thread or the other one.
    I am happy to report that Dr Dembski is still publishing work on ID. His latest book is written by himself and Jonathan Witt ... Intelligent Design Uncensored. (InterVarcity Press Books, May 2010) ISBN 978-0830837427.
    ... enjoy ...
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/06/uncensoring_and_simplifying_th035971.html


  • #7686
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I don't think it changes the fact that he hasn't defined cfsi in a way that would hold up to the scrutiny of a child.

    Since Dembski and creationism as a whole admitted complete and abject failure in that regard, do you think you could fill in the gaps instead? It can't be that hard. At least, you keep claiming that. But then you do lie an awful lot, so I'm sure you'll appreciate why we've been asking you for the last few years to back yourself up with even a tiny bit of evidence.


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  • #7687
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    I don't think it changes the fact that he hasn't defined cfsi in a way that would hold up to the scrutiny of a child.

    Since Dembski and creationism as a whole admitted complete and abject failure in that regard, do you think you could fill in the gaps instead? It can't be that hard. At least, you keep claiming that. But then you do lie an awful lot, so I'm sure you'll appreciate why we've been asking you for the last few years to back yourself up with even a tiny bit of evidence.
    Have a look at this link ... and you'll find that none of what you're saying is true.
    http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/06/uncensoring_and_simplifying_th035971.html


  • #7688
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Also judging by the level of honesty you've displayed in the past, there's a greater chance that you were the squat lesbian that never showered in school.


  • #7689
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I'm on a phone right now, so could you do me a favour and post the bit from that link where someone gives a clear, robust definition of cfsi?

    That is, if there is one. I find it more likely that you're lying again.


  • #7690
    housetypeb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭housetypeb


    J C wrote: »
    Robin, the last time that I personally met somebody who was not respecting people by pronouncing their names improperly ... it was the SCHOOL YARD BULLY AT MY SCHOOL .
    Funny thing ... unlike you ... he stopped name-calling when I asked him to ... and apologised to all his victims.

    I never knew whether this was due to my WITNESSING TO HIM ABOUT JESUS CHRIST ... or the fact that I was a 6' 4" 18-year old Evolutionist, at the time ... and with a physique ... and a bit of a 'survival of the fittest' attitude to match!!!
    Either way ... his victims thanked me ... and he thanked me ... and all the girls admired me ... so it was a win:win all round.

    ... you should try it too.:)

    LOL, Another lie since you claim to have been an evolutionist scientist for many years until you were saved by jebus.


  • #7691
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    housetypeb wrote: »
    J C
    Robin, the last time that I personally met somebody who was not respecting people by pronouncing their names improperly ... it was the SCHOOL YARD BULLY AT MY SCHOOL .
    Funny thing ... unlike you ... he stopped name-calling when I asked him to ... and apologised to all his victims.

    I never knew whether this was due to my WITNESSING TO HIM ABOUT JESUS CHRIST ... or the fact that I was a 6' 4" 18-year old Evolutionist, at the time ... and with a physique ... and a bit of a 'survival of the fittest' attitude to match!!!
    Either way ... his victims thanked me ... and he thanked me ... and all the girls admired me ... so it was a win:win all round.

    ... you should try it too.:)

    LOL, Another lie since you claim to have been an evolutionist scientist for many years until you were saved by jebus.
    I was a cultural Christian and an evolutionist for years ... I became a Creationist ... and was Saved ... relatively recently.
    There are many cultural Christians who aren't Saved ... or indeed Creationists.


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  • #7692
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    J C wrote: »
    Robin, the last time that I personally met somebody who was not respecting people by pronouncing their names improperly ... it was the school-yard bully at my school.


    and all the girls admired me ... so it was a win:win all round.

    ... you should try it too.:)

    You enjoy when school-yard girls admire you?


  • #7693
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I like this subtle threat 'Believe what I believe or suffer eternal damnation.'
    It's not a threat ... its a logical fact that a perfectly merciful and just God interacting with people with free will ... extends His mercy to those who ask for it ... and His justice to those who don't.
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Compare this to the 'evolutionist' attitude of 'Believe what I believe because it's the truth. No, really, you aren't going to burn for all eternity if you don't believe me. Nothing will change in any meaningful way other than you knowing the truth. That's all. No catch.'
    If it was the truth ... and was backed up by logic and evidence ... you could have a point ... but it isn't ... and you don't.:)


  • #7694
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

    Don't bother, there's no explanation.

    Really? That is both surprising and unexpected. I was sure J C had finally found some evidence :pac:


  • #7695
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    You enjoy when school-yard girls admire you?
    Yes, I did ... I was 18 years old at the time!!!

    ... do you have a problem with that ?


  • #7696
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    This should be good. How is it a logical fact? And is this the same merciful god who lets countless people die in agony every day?
    Let's break it down for you.

    God is perfect. He is perfectly merciful ... and He is perfectly just ... and people have the free will to choose His mercy or His justice.

    ... so it's over to you, whether you want to be Saved from His justice, by accepting His mercy ... no pressure ... no pack drill.:)

    ... and thousands of people die every day because our common ancestors also didn't believe that God meant what He said ... and said what He meant ... when He said that death would surely follow any interaction with the Devil and his occult system of evil ...and good (that he uses to sugar-coat his poison pills).
    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Nice evasion of my point. Just in case I wasn't entirely clear, my point wasn't 'I'm right and you're wrong. Hahaha', it was 'I don't need to add subtle threats to make people agree with my position. The evidence is there to support it.'
    ... no threats from you guys ... other than comstant name-calling and the promise of discrimination if you ever discover a Creationist (or anybody else who disagrees with you) ... in your midst!!!:(


  • #7697
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Grow up J C, that's pathetic.


  • #7698
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    Grow up J C, that's pathetic.
    It is indeed pathetic ... that the primary defence of Evolution that has been offered on this thread is constant name-calling of everyone who doesn't believe in it.


  • #7699
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,107 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    It is indeed pathetic ... that the primary defence of Evolution that has been offered on this thread is constant name-calling of everyone who doesn't believe in it.

    now, now, JC, you know you make baby Jesus cry when you lie in your posts. And he has been crying an awful lot when you post.

    How about you try and discuss the topic instead of all this smoke and mirrors to avoid attention being drawn to your inability to explain creationism in even a most basic scientific level?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7700
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Oh baaaaawww. Help, help you're being oppressed. It's clearly nothing to do with you constantly posting bullsh*t. Try harder. Stop getting upset at people calling you on your painfully obvious lies and evasion. Start being truthful. Go on, try it. Just once would do.


  • #7701
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh baaaaawww. Help, help you're being oppressed. It's clearly nothing to do with you constantly posting bullsh*t. Try harder. Stop getting upset at people calling you on your painfully obvious lies and evasion. Start being truthful. Go on, try it. Just once would do.
    There you go again ... trying to talk the talk (by lying about me lying) ... but completely unable to walk the walk ... when it actually comes to defending Evolution ... or disproving CFSI and ID.


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  • #7702
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,107 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    you haven't shown anything to prove the case for CFSI, and everyone is well aware with your difficulties with regards to understanding the subject of evolution.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #7703
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    We've demonstrated both to be worthless crap hundreds of times in this thread and you know it.

    So you're still lying, J C. Nowhere in this thread is there a definition of cfsi that could not be torn apart by a child. You're well aware of this. And of course, since you have scientific qualifications, you'll know that ideas need to be a hell of a lot sturdier than that to be even considered as potential science.

    Man up and either give us a definition of cfsi or admit you've got nothing.


  • #7704
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    Robin, the last time that I personally met somebody who was not respecting people by pronouncing their names improperly ... it was the school-yard bully at my school. Funny thing ... unlike you ... he stopped name-calling when I asked him to ... and apologised to all his victims.
    As I've said before, creationists fall into two groups -- (a) credulous, uninterested or careless followers and (b) self-appointed leaders like Dumbski, (diploma-mill-doctor-doctor) Hammy, Inmate Number 135733 (diploma-mill-doctor and convicted fraudster) Bent Hovind, Mr Half-Witt and so on.

    I feel generally sorry for the followers who have little or no fault beyond being too trusting of others, and thereby, leaving themselves open to be used as meme-fodder by the gang of unscrupulous thugs who run the whole creationist clusterf*ck. For the leaders, I hold open contempt and I neither respect their cretinous, deceitful views, nor the hateful manner in which the operate. They, and their intellectual colleagues in the holocaust denial movement, the flat-earth society, 9/11 troofers and all the sorry rest, ought to be ashamed of themselves.


  • #7705
    [-0-]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭[-0-]


    robindch wrote: »
    As I've said before, creationists fall into two groups -- (a) credulous, uninterested or careless followers and (b) self-appointed leaders like Dumbski, (diploma-mill-doctor-doctor) Hammy, Inmate Number 135733 (diploma-mill-doctor and convicted fraudster) Bent Hovind, Mr Half-Witt and so on.

    I feel generally sorry for the followers who have little or no fault beyond being too trusting of others, and thereby, leaving themselves open to be used as meme-fodder by the gang of unscrupulous thugs who run the whole creationist clusterf*ck. For the leaders, I hold open contempt and I neither respect their cretinous, deceitful views, nor the hateful manner in which the operate. They, and their intellectual colleagues in the holocaust denial movement, the flat-earth society, 9/11 troofers and all the sorry rest, ought to be ashamed of themselves.

    And they sleep great at night. Bastards.


  • #7706
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    J C wrote: »
    the fact that I was a 6' 4" 18-year old Evolutionist, at the time ... and with a physique ... and a bit of a 'survival of the fittest' attitude to match!!!
    Either way ... his victims thanked me ... and he thanked me ... and all the girls admired me ... so it was a win:win all round.

    Sounds like you were one cool kid.

    What happened?


  • #7707
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    If god is perfectly merciful, he will forgive any sin.
    If god is perfectly just, all sins are punished fairly.

    How can he be both?


  • #7708
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    How can he be both?
    Sheesh, Genghiz, didn't you get the note:
    Matthew 19:26 wrote:
    With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.


  • #7709
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    robindch wrote: »
    Sheesh, Genghiz, didn't you get the note:

    No, no I did not.


  • #7710
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    If god is perfectly merciful, he will forgive any sin.
    If god is perfectly just, all sins are punished fairly.

    How can he be both?

    By not punishing any sins and letting nature take it's course? You know, acting like he's not even there at all...


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  • #7711
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    robindch wrote: »
    Sheesh, Genghiz, didn't you get the note:

    Also, has that paper you linked been peer reviewed?


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