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TV3's Loan Repayments Parked at €81 by State owned bank

  • 14-02-2012 01:45PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭


    THE state-owned Anglo Irish Bank has agreed to let TV3's private equity owner make no repayments and incur no interest on an €80m loan until the TV network is eventually sold.

    Anglo's agreement to "park" the €81.1m of debt was confirmed by several sources last night, though some also stressed that the 2010 deal involved a broad debt restructuring that had also benefited Anglo in a one-off repayment of €9.1m.

    But questions may still be asked about why a state-owned bank is riding to the rescue of TV3 when its owner, UK private equity giant Doughty Hanson, has billions under management and could have rescued TV3 itself.

    A spokesman for the newly renamed Irish Bank Resolution Corporation said last night he had "no comment" to make on what was "a commercial, confidential matter for the bank and its client".

    Informed sources rejected suggestions that Anglo's TV3 rescue was influenced by the Government's desire not to have a state-owned bank take control of Ireland's only independently owned TV network by installing a receiver.

    The debt deal was struck at the end of 2010 after the economic collapse led to a "significant" reduction in TV3's profitability, the network's finance boss Aodha O'Connor said last night.

    TV3 lost €165m in 2009 after a sharp downturn in the advertising market resulted in a €118.7m impairment of the group's goodwill. Advertising revenue recovered marginally in 2010, but remained well below boom-time highs.

    Mr O'Connor said the TV station had been in negotiations with Anglo for "several months" and was "trying to find a solution [to the station's €140m debts] that would work for everyone".

    At the time, about €100m of the debts were "senior" loans that had to be serviced with interest and regular capital repayments. Another €40m was "mezzanine" debt that had interest rolling up and was to be repaid in the future.

    The deal left TV3 with just €51m of senior debt to be repaid over about five years, while another €81.1m was relegated to a "facility B loan" that would only fall due "in the event of a liquidity event", according to documents seen by the Irish Independent.

    Mr O'Connor last night confirmed that the "liquidity event" referred to was a sale by TV3's private equity owners, something that is not being currently contemplated.

    Until that sale goes through, TV3 does not have to make any repayments on the €81.1m loan and no interest accrues, Mr O'Connor confirmed. Accordingly, TV3 is carrying the loan at a value of zero.

    The finance boss said the changes had significantly cut the annual debt burden of TV3, but insisted Anglo had not given the TV network an "easy" time.

    Anglo got a €9.1m one-off repayment in late 2010 -- "more than they were getting from a lot of borrowers" -- Mr O'Connor said. The bank also got a higher rate of interest on the €51m of "normal" debt, while Doughty Hanson put in an extra €67.5m of equity to pay off various intergroup loans.

    Mr O'Connor said TV3 had met all of its obligations since the 2010 agreement and was also enjoying improved earnings.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/anglo-to-park-private-equity-companys-80m-loan-in-tv3-deal-3011358.html

    So we can expect 3Kids and 3Classics later on in 2013 or does it just help the sales process. Their 2011 launch never suggested such bad finances or mismanagement. Suppose the heady days of the 2006 sale didn't help, what was it ITV said, that they wouldn't buy if someone else was suggesting a ridiculous price.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Disgraceful.

    As was the buy out that created the Debt. Of course Hanson will have "insulated" themselves and essentially "asset stripped" rather than invested.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    Disgraceful.

    As was the buy out that created the Debt. Of course Hanson will have "insulated" themselves and essentially "asset stripped" rather than invested.

    I don't know, I do think it is insulting when the Press Office gets Louis Walsh to big up the National Commercial Broadcaster against the Pubcaster.

    How have they asset stripped the company? In fairness to them the did increase the number of Irish productions since 2006.

    They should have continued the CanWest policy of purely selling advertising? However in saying that I think the channel will have to revert to such tactics to stay alive.

    The buyout was very bad, and the regulators should have stopped it, but then what regulators?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    It's essentially asset stripping and not investment to "buy" a company via a leveraged buyout. You borrow the money, buy the company and then cleverly make the debt the company's and then use the revenue to pay of the interest and also pay "management" fees. What they didn't do was any net investment.

    How many of the "Irish" productions are coupled to Premium Dial in? Dial in at more than local rate is a scam. "so called" competitions and quizzes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    How many of the "Irish" productions are coupled to Premium Dial in? Dial in at more than local rate is a scam. "so called" competitions and quizzes.

    This was always the case. Competitions Coupled with Product Placement and premium rate phone ins. Unfortunately one of the main jobs of a TV presenter now is to read out phone numbers.

    Are their HD studios not investment?

    I am slowly becoming pro-TV3. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    "HD Studios" are a myth. it's the cameras, gallery and switching/distribution that needs to be HD. It's not a NET investment, and in real terms cheaper than colour in 1980.

    Who needs their Morning Magazine "product placement" show and their premium phone ins to be in HD? Or Vincent Browne?

    It's Nature, Theatre, Live Concerts, Cinematic Drama (not talking heads Soaps) that needs to be in HD. What do TV3 do that needs HD?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    What do TV3 do that needs HD?

    Their accounts?:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 Mr_Ekan


    Funny no press release,or pulpit pounding from David McRedmond on this.

    TV3 chief executive David McRedmond said that all the licence fee should go to RTE. In an interview in the business pages of The Sunday Times, McRedmond said: “What we want is a commercial market, functioning properly. But if RTE is going to continue to be dominant in advertising, then maybe the licence fee should be spread around further.”

    I, for one, will miss the way ol' #vinb's hair glistens in the current studio.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    I was watching the riveting Midweek show on TV3 last night with Eddie Hobbs and some other dude from the Indo. They were going on about state inefficiencies, lack of cuts in the civil service and various unnecessary procurements. Usual poorly informed and populist stuff.

    Oddly they were not highlighting the fact a state company was looking the other way on these repayments.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    BrianD wrote: »
    I was watching the riveting Midweek show on TV3 last night with Eddie Hobbs and some other dude from the Indo. They were going on about state inefficiencies, lack of cuts in the civil service and various unnecessary procurements. Usual poorly informed and populist stuff.

    Oddly they were not highlighting the fact a state company was looking the other way on these repayments.

    I said the same as I watched :(

    Perhaps we should complain to TV3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    So as we are not allowed to copy and paste articles and then provide a link to a news report I have decided in this post not to provide any details about an article that I read in a newspaper and I will not be providing you with a link to the newspaper. I advise all board members to boycott links to newspapers and news outlets. With that out of the way back to the said article, report and newspaper report.

    NCB Corporate Finacnce have stated (Michael Hussey) that this arrangement between TV3 and Anglo was 'proactive and pragmatic' and that 'it serves as an encouraging precedent for domestic businesses operating under unsustainable capital structures.'

    To me this sound like look it isn't a good business model and the business people behind it have failed but sure we should help them out.

    You can read the full article in NBC's report titled 'Unlocking Value' by Michael Hussey. Page 4. http://www.ncb.ie/downloads/pdf/wealth/NCBWM.pdf


    Done without reference to any newspapers happy? I am sure the newspaper is. Sorry for the propaganda in this post, ICDG.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Elmo you can take a five day holiday next time you decide to bump a thread or use a post as a protest against the rules on this site. There's a place for it, this isn't it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mcwhirter


    Where they getting money for new HD studio then?

    Doesn't sound right to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    mcwhirter wrote: »
    Where they getting money for new HD studio then?

    Doesn't sound right to me.

    Companies have turnover outside their loan repayments. This is why TV3 can announce a 3million profit.

    TV3 have turnover of around €60m, most of it is paid in rights for international programmes and sports, followed at this stage by large loan repayments, then staffing and indo productions. On this they make €3m. They continue to owe €150m.

    I would assume that the studio build can be placed outside the profit and loss account somehow???? Accountants please set this straight. Their parent company perhaps is paying for the build, and may be loss making????

    Business plan submitted to bank. I assume the bank thinks that TV3 will at some stage be worth €265m. (Only TV3 was never really worth that kind of money).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    TV 3 is now profit making but obviously this was not the case in the past. Some of the debt will be written off, perhaps 60% or more. Going forward a buyer would be able to run the company, pay off remaining debt and turn a true profit.

    3 guesses who'll pick up the bill?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    TV 3 is now profit making but obviously this was not the case in the past.

    AFAIK under Canwest and ITV TV3 were making very large profits. And Canwest had envisaged profits by year 4 without ITV on board. There first 3 years on air were loss making (without ITV) but after that they were profit making. 2006 like for everything is the wall. Canwest decide to sell their 45% share, ITV say they are interested but not at mad prices and we have a Capital Investment company getting a loan from Anglo Irish for up to €265million.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    TV 3 is now profit making but obviously this was not the case in the past. Some of the debt will be written off, perhaps 60% or more. Going forward a buyer would be able to run the company, pay off remaining debt and turn a true profit.

    3 guesses who'll pick up the bill?

    did the late nigel doughty the ex notts forest owner also own tv3, setanta and tv3 should merge, I'll say setanta's and tv3's sport output could fill both their high ratings and high turnover and give rte competition also


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    ftakeith wrote: »
    did the late nigel doughty the ex notts forest owner also own tv3, setanta and tv3 should merge, I'll say setanta's and tv3's sport output could fill both their high ratings and high turnover and give rte competition also

    TV3 would like to imagine that RTÉ buys up all sporting rights, but in reality TV3 had over the last 15 years opportunities to buy GAA League, Celtic League, Domestic Soccer, Ladies GAA Championships, Wimbledon, Tour De France and lots more sport.

    As for a merger of Setanta and TV3, I'd say NAMA and IBRC wouldn't even allow them to consider it. Setanta probably have as many problems as TV3.

    I am surprised his death wasn't mentioned on TV3 or by TV3, very sad he was only 54.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Sunday Indo article today - Mitt Romney might buy TV3 or not
    Mitt Romney group eyes up Irish firms in Anglo debt sales

    BAIN Capital, the mega-asset management firm co-founded by former US presidential candidate Mitt Romney, is running the rule over buying the debts to Anglo of a dozen well-known Irish-owned firms including the Racing Post, TV3 and Field's jewellers.

    ...

    Tullamore Beta, the company behind TV3, is valued by Deloitte at just €15m versus its net debt to IBRC of circa €60m. After a 2009 restructuring, TV3 parked €81m worth of debt which is only repayable in certain circumstances.

    Doughty Hanson, the station's 90 per cent shareholder, is expected to buy out the station's debt at a steep discount, making it unlikely there will be an opportunity for an outside investor to make money.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/mitt-romney-group-eyes-up-irish-firms-in-anglo-debt-sales-29194689.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Sunday Indo article today - Mitt Romney might buy TV3 or not

    I read that an though "why does TV3 get to talk so much rubbish about RTÉ, when it was over priced in 2006, gets away with not repaying massive loans and is now worth only €15million!". The real kick in the teeth will be when Doughty Hanson buy their IRBC loan book at a reduced rate.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,702 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    Excellent... has Christmas come early? TV3 will finally be wiped from the nations mind and become UTV all-Ireland if it happens. Doubt they will succeed though with the vulture capitalists Doughty Hanson having all the cards ( and a helpful IBRC to park their debt)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    ftakeith wrote: »

    UTV 1 and 2 maybe the way to go. UTV 2 could take over from 3e in the South and ITV 2 in the north (Though ITV 2 would prob remain).

    Any attempt by UTV to buy TV3 would have to be first looked at by the BAI and then by the Competition Authority (though not that either regulator would stop such a buy-out).

    UTV television currently have a 2-3% share of the audience in comparison to times past when they had 10%. UTV Radio own FM104, CORK 96-103, Q102, Limerick's Live 95 and LMFM, while selling advertising for a number of other local stations.

    I love the way the article sides up with TV3 management. Though I'd fear casting any kind liable towards TV3 management, but didn't they buy 3e for 10million and the Group is now worth 15million ????? (Mods can delete this last remark if they wish).


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Why would UTV need TV3 if they could get a place on Saorview ?

    They are already on cable / satellite.

    Would it make more sense to wait until TV3 fails because it's no longer propped up and then fill the vacuum, possibly hiring key staff and renting out that Sony studio or the DCU venue. It's not like TV3 have irreplaceable assets.


    IMHO the decision is more about politics than economic reality. It'll be about X jobs at risk and who knows who than letting nature taking it's course.

    But are UTV interested in running a station down here ?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Why would UTV need TV3 if they could get a place on Saorview ?

    They are already on cable / satellite.

    But are UTV interested in running a station down here ?

    They do not need to run anything down here, just a signal. TV3 do not have a presence in Wateford, Cork Galway, or Kerry, but their signal gets there. UTV could just make programmes in the North as they do now, and fill the gaps with ITV sourced programmes as TV3 does now. Not a big difference really, except for the accents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,461 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Yes, more sense to get TV3's licence revoked and UTV to get the licence. TV3 have zero infrastructure and staff that UTV needs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    watty wrote: »
    Yes, more sense to get TV3's licence revoked and UTV to get the licence. TV3 have zero infrastructure and staff that UTV needs.
    If they were to operate an All Ireland channel wouldn't they presumably want TV3's news and current affairs staff who are already in place ready to go rather then starting from scratch... i'm sure the fancy new HD studio could come in handy too.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 20,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    irishfeen wrote: »

    I'm sure the fancy new HD studio could come in handy too.

    I'm sure Sony would come to some arrangement with UTV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    I'm sure Sony would come to some arrangement with UTV.
    Your probably right but in terms of TV3's licence being revoked I just can't see it happening... The BAI/Minister would be hounded for returning the country to an RTE broadcasting monopoly not to mind the hundreds of people who would loose their jobs.... it just wouldn't look good at all.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 95,816 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    irishfeen wrote: »
    If they were to operate an All Ireland channel wouldn't they presumably want TV3's news and current affairs staff who are already in place ready to go rather then starting from scratch... i'm sure the fancy new HD studio could come in handy too.
    I keep forgetting that they already have staff down here

    http://www.utvmedia.com/radio/default.aspx?areaid=100001


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    Q102
    FM104
    96FM
    C103
    Live95FM
    LMFM
    U105.8FM
    Galway Bay FM
    Beat FM


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭irishfeen


    I keep forgetting that they already have staff down here
    Q102
    FM104
    96FM
    C103
    Live95FM
    LMFM
    U105.8FM
    Galway Bay FM
    Beat FM
    Forgot about the radio presence actually, certainly would mean that TV3's current assets might not be worth a whole pile to UTV.


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