Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 05:14PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What's the pic all about Jelle???

ColeTrain · 10-02-2012 05:15PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

@BBCchrismclaug
Chris McLaughlin
Daniel Cousin's agent tells me the striker has signed for #Rangers until the end of the season. Will arrive in Scotland tomorrow.
2 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone

Seems like the deal's done.

Shows how desperate Rangers are.

Eirebear · 10-02-2012 05:23PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Shows how desperate Rangers are.

Player in talking up club he's just signed for shocker :eek:

Jelle1880 · 10-02-2012 06:05PM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

What's the pic all about Jelle???

Cousin and McManus both went up for a header, McManus ended up the worst and had to be taken off, even had to use an oxygen mask, Cousin played like nothing happened

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 06:23PM

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'Wholly unreliable' Rangers owner Craig Whyte loses roofing court case

Craig Whyte said he had not agreed to pay the invoices
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Rangers owner Craig Whyte has been told to pay a disputed bill of £86,127 to a roofing firm after a sheriff described his evidence as "wholly unreliable".

One Stop Roofing Supplies claimed Mr Whyte's company Tixway UK had breached an agreement to pay for goods bought by another company, Snowcast UK.

Mr Whyte, 40, disputed this and said he was a creditor of Snowcast.

In a written ruling, Sheriff Nigel Ross stated: "I reject the evidence of Mr Whyte as wholly unreliable."

The case centred on the business relationship between Mr Whyte, Chris Keating - who owned Snowcast UK before it folded - and One Stop Roofing Supplies, which is run by Robert Jenkins.

During evidence in December, Mr Whyte told the court he was introduced to Mr Jenkins in April 2008 through friend and businessman Mr Keating.

The court was told Mr Whyte helped Mr Keating's own business by lending money when it was required.

It was said that Mr Keating regularly bought supplies from the roofing firm.

Mr Whyte told the court the only orders made by him, and that he was invoiced for by One Stop Roofing, were for the repairs he was carrying out at Castle Grant in Granton on Spey.

Castle Grant
He said he did not agree for invoices for Mr Keating's business to be sent to him or paid by him.

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His (Craig Whyte) evidence is contradicted by virtually every other piece of evidence”

Sheriff Nigel Ross
The court also heard that Mr Whyte became the director of Tixway after serving a seven-year disqualification from being a company director.

Asked why he was banned, Mr Whyte said he could not remember as it was some time ago. He also said he did not want to say in open court and get it wrong.

In his ruling on the case, Sheriff Ross stated: "I accept the evidence led by the pursuer (One Stop Roofing) as credible and reliable, and supported by the available documentation.

"I reject the evidence of Mr Whyte as wholly unreliable.

"It is not possible to ascertain whether he is not telling the truth or is simply unable to recollect the true position, and has convinced himself that this arrangement is something that he would not have entered into.

"Either way, his evidence is contradicted by virtually every other piece of evidence."

'Legal liability'
Sheriff Ross found that Mr Whyte's firm Tixway had "offered its own credit rating to allow cover for the supply of large volumes of materials to Snowcast".

He said this was "subject to a high degree of control by the defender over Snowcast and an understanding between the defender (Tixway) and Snowcast that Snowcast would make payment for those materials".

Sheriff Ross concluded: "As a matter of legal liability, however, the defender remains the principal obligant.

"There is no dispute as to the sum outstanding, nor that it was properly incurred, and I accept the total brought out by the pursuer's figures."

A hearing will be fixed for a later date for both parties to discuss expenses arising from the case.

Jelle1880 · 10-02-2012 06:25PM

Sounds dodgy, but it has nothing to do with Rangers.

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 06:27PM

And now one of your goalkeepers is up for sectarian breach of peace.

Is there a more dysfunctional club than Rangers around at the moment?

Your keeper should be banned from soccer matches for this if found guilty and law applied without prejudice.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2099453/Rangers-goalkeeper-Grant-Adam-court.html?printingPage=true

Jelle1880 · 10-02-2012 06:34PM

I'm sure he'll be fired and banned from games if found guilty.

It does show the bias of the BBC though, that a story which has nothing to do with Rangers gets more airtime than an armed stand-off in the center of Glasgow.

Eirebear · 10-02-2012 06:39PM

Bombscare/Possible Hostage Situation in Glasgow City Centre at the moment how long before the Beeb/Bobby report this?

The BBC understand that the man at the centre of the Glasgow Bombscare is none other than evil, wicked liar and Rangers owner Craig Whyte who has got into a debate with restaurant staff over the bill for his 3 course meal.

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 06:44PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm sure he'll be fired and banned from games if found guilty.

It does show the bias of the BBC though, that a story which has nothing to do with Rangers gets more airtime than an armed stand-off in the center of Glasgow.

LOL!!!

Everyone's out to get you Jelle!!!

I thought it was us who were the paranoid ones!!! Yes, it's the BBCs fault that your keeper was charged with sectarian breach of peace.

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 06:45PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Sounds dodgy, but it has nothing to do with Rangers.

I'd agree if it was a once off... but it's not, it's a weekly thing for Whyte/White and is surely worrying from the point of view of 'what kind of a person is leading us?'

Dempsey · 10-02-2012 06:50PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Sounds dodgy, but it has nothing to do with Rangers.

Its about the owner of Rangers and his lack of business acumen.

"It is not possible to ascertain whether he is not telling the truth or is simply unable to recollect the true position, and has convinced himself that this arrangement is something that he would not have entered into.

"Either way, his evidence is contradicted by virtually every other piece of evidence."

His dodgy character is further cemented. I wonder if he'll be able to remember how he bought out Rangers when the insolvency service conduct their probe into Rangers. Will he be able to produce the proper documentation etc.

Maybe he'll tell them that the dog ate it! :pac:

bobbysands81 · 10-02-2012 10:41PM

Article on Eurosport about Rangers:

Would Scotland miss Rangers?
By Eurosport | Desmond Kane – 4 hours ago

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Rangers 'fans' at the 2008 UEFA Cup final in Manchester
Of all the quotes that can be regurgitated relating to the darker side of Rangers and a helping of the imbeciles that have clamped themselves to the Glasgow club seemingly since time began, Ian Archer's musings remain perhaps the most pertinent. It was penned over 30 years ago. "This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist," wrote Archer, who latterly worked on the now departed television programme Scotsport, in a Glasgow newspaper.
What was exceptional about Archer's heartfelt words is that they were scribbled down during some of the finer moments in Rangers' history, specifically alluding to a night when they snagged the old European Cup Winners' Cup in Barcelona in 1972 with a 3-2 victory over Dynamo Moscow. As a piece of newspaper prose, it was ahead of its time.
Inspired by beers and cheap wine while being firmly planted in Spain, a Roman Catholic country at odds with the anti-Catholic signing policy once employed by Rangers and endorsed by its supporters, a furious rump of followers battled with riot police in the Camp Nou amid their team's rise to clasp the only European trophy in the club's history.
It will be argued that the heavy-handedness of local police made the riots in Barcelona eminently preventable, but then Rangers seem to have spent large swathes of their past defending the extremist behaviour of those who masquerade as football fans. The blame always seems to fall on others.
In a taxing period when a case with HMRC threatens to capsize the club with over £50 million of debt, it is perhaps Karma as much as unpaid taxes and gross financial mismanagement that has left Rangers facing the trap door. Rangers may well be left to pay the price for the sins of the father, with or without his sash, and their inability to drive out the rancid element that has tailed them.
They range from their highly inflammatory position in shying away from signing Catholics, the racist and sectarian songs sung by some followers of the club, the orange shirts wheeled out a decade ago as a "Dutch tribute " marketing ploy and the wretched riots in Manchester when a big screen television went on the blink. These are just some of the episodes that have tarnished not only the Rangers brand, but the image of Scotland as a tolerant country.
Scottish football may be left impoverished by a league without Rangers, but will society? Should society feel a certain sadness towards the plight of Rangers?
While the Scottish Premier League, satellite television and perhaps even twitchy Celtic directors would lament the loss of the income that Rangers generate, a progressive Scotland may feel differently.
At a time when Scotland's first minister Alex Salmond is trying to drive forward the idea of an independent, progressive, multicultural, multi-faith Scotland - a rainbow nation of Scots - the country's national sport is perhaps the last public haunt for the miserably uneducated. This was seen and heard when Hearts and Celtic exchanged lamentable ditties on Wednesday evening that continues to illustrate the deep-seated anti-Catholic sentiment that exists in pockets of Scotland. The strained old IRA choruses were heard from the visiting end amid the pestilence. Tramps behave better.
Celtic supporters are plagued by their own unsavoury band, but have always been uncomfortable with the Old Firm tagline that they continue to share with Rangers. The racists who have used Rangers to further their warped ideology will remain intact, even if Ibrox does not after the tax hearing has been played out. This would be a tragedy for a club with so much potential.
For the decent Rangers fans, progressive people, who follow their club only as a football team, there is a genuine sympathy at how departed owner Sir David Murray allowed the club to fall into such a state, but there are too many who have been allowed to hijack the good name of Rangers to further their own ideals away from a sporting context. For them, there will be no sympathy.
Rangers may well survive in some form if they fall into administration, which would be heartening for the national sport, but would clubs outwith Glasgow such as Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibernian, Dundee United or Dundee be sorry to see them go?
To the ones who sing songs about child abuse and the Irish Potato Famine, it is difficult to argue that the air would not be cleaner if their club stops. "And because some people are so sick, I have to put six words at the end of this column," wrote Archer. "I am not a Roman Catholic."

Eirebear · 11-02-2012 03:15AM

"Article" is rather talking it up a little.
One sided, opinionated rant is more like it.

This was seen and heard when Hearts and Celtic exchanged lamentable ditties on Wednesday evening that continues to illustrate the deep-seated anti-Catholic sentiment that exists in pockets of Scotland

So the Celtic fans were singing anti-catholic stuff too?

Shoddy,Shoddy piece of writing and quite shocking that an outlet like Europsport would allow such a rant to be publishjed tbh.

Coillte_Bhoy · 11-02-2012 05:07AM

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Article on Eurosport about Rangers:

Would Scotland miss Rangers?
By Eurosport | Desmond Kane – 4 hours ago

Email

Rangers 'fans' at the 2008 UEFA Cup final in Manchester
Of all the quotes that can be regurgitated relating to the darker side of Rangers and a helping of the imbeciles that have clamped themselves to the Glasgow club seemingly since time began, Ian Archer's musings remain perhaps the most pertinent. It was penned over 30 years ago. "This has to be said about Rangers, as a Scottish football club they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace. This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist," wrote Archer, who latterly worked on the now departed television programme Scotsport, in a Glasgow newspaper.
What was exceptional about Archer's heartfelt words is that they were scribbled down during some of the finer moments in Rangers' history, specifically alluding to a night when they snagged the old European Cup Winners' Cup in Barcelona in 1972 with a 3-2 victory over Dynamo Moscow. As a piece of newspaper prose, it was ahead of its time.
Inspired by beers and cheap wine while being firmly planted in Spain, a Roman Catholic country at odds with the anti-Catholic signing policy once employed by Rangers and endorsed by its supporters, a furious rump of followers battled with riot police in the Camp Nou amid their team's rise to clasp the only European trophy in the club's history.
It will be argued that the heavy-handedness of local police made the riots in Barcelona eminently preventable, but then Rangers seem to have spent large swathes of their past defending the extremist behaviour of those who masquerade as football fans. The blame always seems to fall on others.
In a taxing period when a case with HMRC threatens to capsize the club with over £50 million of debt, it is perhaps Karma as much as unpaid taxes and gross financial mismanagement that has left Rangers facing the trap door. Rangers may well be left to pay the price for the sins of the father, with or without his sash, and their inability to drive out the rancid element that has tailed them.
They range from their highly inflammatory position in shying away from signing Catholics, the racist and sectarian songs sung by some followers of the club, the orange shirts wheeled out a decade ago as a "Dutch tribute " marketing ploy and the wretched riots in Manchester when a big screen television went on the blink. These are just some of the episodes that have tarnished not only the Rangers brand, but the image of Scotland as a tolerant country.
Scottish football may be left impoverished by a league without Rangers, but will society? Should society feel a certain sadness towards the plight of Rangers?
While the Scottish Premier League, satellite television and perhaps even twitchy Celtic directors would lament the loss of the income that Rangers generate, a progressive Scotland may feel differently.
At a time when Scotland's first minister Alex Salmond is trying to drive forward the idea of an independent, progressive, multicultural, multi-faith Scotland - a rainbow nation of Scots - the country's national sport is perhaps the last public haunt for the miserably uneducated. This was seen and heard when Hearts and Celtic exchanged lamentable ditties on Wednesday evening that continues to illustrate the deep-seated anti-Catholic sentiment that exists in pockets of Scotland. The strained old IRA choruses were heard from the visiting end amid the pestilence. Tramps behave better.
Celtic supporters are plagued by their own unsavoury band, but have always been uncomfortable with the Old Firm tagline that they continue to share with Rangers. The racists who have used Rangers to further their warped ideology will remain intact, even if Ibrox does not after the tax hearing has been played out. This would be a tragedy for a club with so much potential.
For the decent Rangers fans, progressive people, who follow their club only as a football team, there is a genuine sympathy at how departed owner Sir David Murray allowed the club to fall into such a state, but there are too many who have been allowed to hijack the good name of Rangers to further their own ideals away from a sporting context. For them, there will be no sympathy.
Rangers may well survive in some form if they fall into administration, which would be heartening for the national sport, but would clubs outwith Glasgow such as Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibernian, Dundee United or Dundee be sorry to see them go?
To the ones who sing songs about child abuse and the Irish Potato Famine, it is difficult to argue that the air would not be cleaner if their club stops. "And because some people are so sick, I have to put six words at the end of this column," wrote Archer. "I am not a Roman Catholic."

Why bother quote that rubbish? If it that was about Celtic we would quite rightly slate the source. But cos it's about them it seems ok to post any tabloid/internet sh1te. They are on their knees and i am enjoying it but please, follow the same standards we would expect if the shoe was on the other foot. Rubbish, inane journalism at it's worst.

KeithAFC · 11-02-2012 09:01AM

Sounds rather bitter haha.

RoryMac · 11-02-2012 10:08AM

When did you get the job with Europsport Bobby?

Pompey Magnus · 11-02-2012 01:30PM

Fantastic goal from Aluko.

TheBuilder · 11-02-2012 01:34PM

What a strike from Aluko.

Worked very hard today as a team, Edu and Davis outstanding.

Jelle1880 · 11-02-2012 03:45PM

Great performance, hopefully Davis keeps playing like this now because when he's on his best he's fantastic.

Eirebear · 11-02-2012 03:52PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Great performance, hopefully Davis keeps playing like this now because when he's on his best he's fantastic.

Was nice to see Davis and Edu play well together - about ****ing time too.

bobbysands81 · 11-02-2012 11:20PM

TheKeith will be very happy with the comments regarding the cook. His removal was essential for the safety of Rangers player? White/Whyte is very shady if he cast an eye over these and agreed to them.

Meeting With Craig Whyte 6th Feb 2012
Written by Admin
Saturday, 11 February 2012 14:05
Vanguard Bears had another productive meeting with Rangers Chairman Craig Whyte on Monday evening. First of all we have to convey our thanks to Mr Whyte for his attendance given the events of last night with the BBC yet again displaying where their loyalties lie.

The purpose of this meeting was not necessarily to interrogate Mr Whyte on all aspects of the club as this had already been done in a detailed interview with Tom English of the Scotsman Newspaper. Rather the purpose of our meeting was twofold. As a follow up to our initial meeting and maintain contact with the Chairman and the Club. Secondly to see what has changed, if anything, from our first meeting and to ascertain how we can support the Chairman and the Club at this difficult time.

As many will understand with such meetings there are issues we cannot and will not disclose in to the public domain out of respect to the Chairman and the future well-being of Rangers FC.

In no particular order the following subjects were discussed and some of the more relevant answers are outlined below.

Daily Record and Media in general - The consensus appeared to be that more needs done in being pro-active in countering the muck raking and downright lies being spread about Rangers and the owner.

BBC - Litigation will now proceed after last night’s hatchet job. Mr Whyte admitted he had let it run because other more important matters needed his immediate attention.

Ticketus Deal - Wholly underwritten by one of his companies with no risk to ST holders should we go in to administration. Deal was for a percentage of the tickets over 3 years not 4. Figure mentioned was closer to £20m and not the £24.4m being quoted. Deal was arranged to provide working capital only.

Whilst on this subject we had to ask about administration; its possibility and effect. Mr Whyte reiterated his view that it is a last resort and not Plan A or Plan B. However given the uncertainty surrounding the HMRC verdict it is simply not possible to say for certain what strategy will be adopted until the decision is known. We then asked what happens if the worst case scenario arrives and we do go in to administration. Mr Whyte’s response was that it wouldn’t be pleasant and cuts would have to be made but the club would come out of it in a far healthier state. A 10 point deduction is the current penalty for a club going in to administration and not every season as certain rumour mongers were happy to shout out at every opportunity. The phrase “Business as Usual” was used.

It also has to be noted that in recent years Motherwell were in administration and emerged from it with their name and history intact. The same goes for Dundee FC.

Cash Flow Rumours - We put it to Mr Whyte about the rumours of cash flow issues and bills not being paid which he categorically denied. He did admit that all bills are scrutinised and payment terms have been changed or extended but the negative publicity has forced some of the larger suppliers to demand payment quicker or on receipt of goods. He maintains though that smaller suppliers are being paid and the relationships with them are still healthy.

Small Tax Bill - This is being challenged as the clubs legal advice is that because this is over 6 years old HMRC are not within their rights to pursue it. So the stories about Rangers not paying it or can't pay it are wrong and merely mischief making.

Players Wages - There is no wage cap in place as such but finances dictate we cannot pay what we used to offer or entertain ludicrous wage demands that led us in to the financial problems we currently face. However the fact remains we are still competitive and will still be able to compete for good young Scottish talent.

Andrew Ellis – Mr Whyte said he will be primarily London based and working on areas like pre-season deals and various other marketing and sponsorship ideas. Mr Whyte had a meeting with a representative from Manchester United in London which prompted him to copy their business plan and open offices in London to augment this business plan.

Influential Supporters - The question was asked about our more affluent or well-known supporters and what they can do to help the club now and in the long term. This is an area he hopes will be expanded on once the current climate of uncertainty has been dealt with.

Ideas from fans about new revenue streams - The current Rangers Facebook page has over 250,000 “likes”. Coupled with the fact we took over 200,000 fans to Manchester with a further 35,000 inside Ibrox that evening proves overwhelmingly the size and potential of our support. VB Admin’s idea of a savings scheme was mentioned and the club are very open to the idea. However as Jim Hannah pointed out the fans must see where the money is going and feel they are not just forking out to clear debt. The entire club is open to any suggestions from the fans or groups on how to generate new income streams. A couple of examples were if a monthly subscription was in place then once a month 2 lucky fans would get a day out at Ibrox in the Directors box for all home games. Other ideas were simple things like receiving a Rangers share which holds unique sentimental value.

Fans Groups – Mr Whyte spoke about the need for unity and how vital it was that all the various groups put aside their issues and work together for the club. Never has it been more vital in our entire 140 year history that this is achieved.

Media Intrusion - Mr Whyte knew it would be a tough job and that he thought interest would die down after a few months but clearly that is not the case. Indeed he expressed his surprise at just how certain sections of the media have been operating lately and it has opened his eyes.

Player and Staff Security – This is an area that is being looked at given issues surrounding the recent attack on Alejandro Bedoya’s car (among others) and the separate case of a chef who openly supported the IRA working at the club’s Auchenhowie training ground. Mr Whyte intimated that those types were not welcome at our club, and it was pleasing to see the club acting so decisively in removing this person and ensuring that the safety of the players and staff is paramount.

Internet Bloggers – This issue was also raised and the club are now in possession of information collated by Vanguard Bears which appears to show links between influential parties working in collusion to inflict harm on the name of Rangers FC. This will not be tolerated and will be addressed in due course. It was also mentioned that the support have a role to play in reporting anything they see which deliberately seeks to harm Rangers FC or the fans unnecessarily.

Once again our thanks go to Craig Whyte and to Jim Hannah for giving up almost 2 hours of their time and their willingness to engage with the support and we look forward to working with them again for the good of Rangers FC.
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Dempsey · 11-02-2012 11:25PM

So Rangers did have a say in the disciplinary action of an employee of a sub contractor! Who would have thunk it!

PauloMN · 11-02-2012 11:44PM

"Over 200,000 fans"... lol. Did someone loan them the Seville calculator?

What a load of complete bollocks that whole statement is. Looks to me like Mr. White/Whyte can feed the fan groups any old ****e and they lap it up like the loyal little chaps they are. It's hilarious to watch!

Jelle1880 · 12-02-2012 12:50AM

+-200.000 fans is the general estimate though, we know you can't believe it that we dwarfed the million billion gazillion pyoor Hoops fanatics in Seville, but there you go

Care to point out what part of it is exactly 'bollocks' ?
Or will that become the standard reply to anything Whyte says on here ?

Sounds to me like he's pretty open on some stuff, like the wages and the payment issues with some companies.

Dempsey · 12-02-2012 12:53AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

+-200.000 fans is the general estimate though, we know you can't believe it that we dwarfed the million billion gazillion pyoor Hoops fanatics in Sevile, but there you go

Care to point out what part of it is exactly 'bollocks' ?
Or will that become the standard reply to anything Whyte says on here ?

Lets start at the top

BBC - Litigation will now proceed after last night’s hatchet job. Mr Whyte admitted he had let it run because other more important matters needed his immediate attention.

You all claimed that the BBC program was ****e, there was a propaganda machine, and Whyte would clear his name in court.

:rolleyes:

Eirebear · 12-02-2012 01:02AM

Doesn't impress me that whyte spends so much time chatting to vb to be honest.

Jelle1880 · 12-02-2012 01:12AM

They seem to be the only ones talking to him, the RST claims they will but haven't done anything so far.

An admin from VB said that they still have scepticism towards him.

Eirebear · 12-02-2012 01:19AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

They seem to be the only ones talking to him, the RST claims they will but haven't done anything so far.

An admin from VB said that they still have scepticism towards him.

Havnt the rsa had a couple of chats with him?

Jelle1880 · 12-02-2012 01:23AM

They had one in September and one in January but I never read much about that.

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