Do the Dubs get an unfair rep?

John Doe1 · 10-02-2012 12:22AM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Do the Dubs get an unfair rep for being less friendly than us culchies? Was in Beaumont hospital for a few weeks and I was actually taken aback at how friendly and sound everyone was. I'm from Donegal myself which is supposed to be fairly friendly but It was easier to have a laugh with strangers in Dublin. Who'd have thunk it.

You have officially lost your donegal citizenship, im very disappointed in you:p

Dubhlinner · 10-02-2012 12:26AM

Most Dubs are culchies by blood anyway. I don't have a single grandparent from Dublin

triforce9000 · 10-02-2012 12:28AM

I'm from Galway and i moved to Dublin 3 years ago before moving on recently.

Galway has some lovely people and so has Dublin.

On the whole i'd prefer Dubs

PhlegmyMoses · 10-02-2012 12:30AM

Dubhlinner wrote: »

Most Dubs are culchies by blood anyway. I don't have a single grandparent from Dublin

All my grandparents are from Dublin. As were my great-grandparents. I fear I may be inbred

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 12:33AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Then you have no concept of tailoring the output to the intended audience (something which, I suspect, is due to most of the "national" presenters having previously worked for Dublin pirates and locals).

Assuming the largest is not an excuse - if you say "the president" do you assume the president of China ?

There's a bigger audience in Dublin than in any other single place in the country.

Irrelevant (unless it's a local paper or local radio station like FM104 or Q102). The point is that you treat each listener in the audience equally. For a national station or newspaper or TV station, that involves phrasing things appropriately.

If I was in China talking to a local and I said "the President" it would mean the President of China.

What if you were in Dublin talking to that "local" on the phone ? Or on the air ?

In Ireland if I say "The President" it means Michael D Higgins, but as far as people like you are concerned I should probably say "The President of Ireland" so it doesn't get confused with the president of your local tidy-towns committee.

Firstly, drop the personalised "people like you" attitude, unless you're referring to people with basic cop-on.

Secondly, since the president is indeed "President of Ireland" (i.e. the whole intended audience) then there's no issue there, so your condescending waffle fails.

The corresponding issue would be a phrase like "The Mayor", which should be qualified by the appropriate location in order to treat every listener equally and (for the presenter/reporter) not come across as a lazy / narrow-minded / clueless idiot.

EDIT: Anyway - this point is just one of the reasons why they're viewed as a little off, and the fact that it's not a simple oversight but that people are prepared to argue and defend the point reinforces that.

That said, it's just one of the factors that cause people to like or dislike Dubs (another would be voting for Bertie, but that's a whole other story) and people will always give different priorities to the different pluses and minuses, so there's no point hogging the thread discussing just one (and one I suspect we won't agree on anyway).

VagnerLove · 10-02-2012 12:33AM

My grandparents are from Dublin too.

Also I think Eve does have a point, no one I know hates country people, they just don't mind either way. For those people from the country, hating Dublin is just caring far, far too much.

LH Pathe · 10-02-2012 12:47AM

I know I do; but it's not from anyone I don't know.

Stereotypical dub is a jackeen

John_Rambo · 10-02-2012 12:50AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Firstly, drop the personalised "people like you" attitude,

I think he's just reacting to your attitude.

Fortunately, most people on this thread seem to be pretty broadminded and are looking at the bigger picture. Dub's aren't that bad and you're points about street names and phone prefixes are somewhat weak and don't bolster the fact that Dubliners are unfriendly.

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 12:51AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Firstly, drop the personalised "people like you" attitude, unless you're referring to people with basic cop-on.

Eh.. "people who carry on like you". Is that better?

Or how about "people who carry on with the attitude that a street in some small village holds the same importance for the media as a street of the same name in the major population centre in the country"

Liam Byrne wrote: »

That said, it's just one of the factors that cause people to like or dislike Dubs (another would be voting for Bertie, but that's a whole other story) and people will always give different priorities to the different pluses and minuses, so there's no point hogging the thread discussing just one (and one I suspect we won't agree on anyway).

Don't lay all the blame on Dublin for Bertie being Taoiseach. If he hadn't the support of all the Fianna Fail TDs voted in across the country he would have had as much influence as a fart in a wind tunnel.

pragmatic1 · 10-02-2012 12:56AM

John Doe1 wrote: »

You have officially lost your donegal citizenship, im very disappointed in you:p

I'm not the one living in Dublin John. Whats the matter L.Y.I.T not good enough for ya? Eh.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 12:57AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Eh.. "people who carry on like you". Is that better?

As I said, if you're talking about people who value common sense, that's fine.

Or how about "people who carry on with the attitude that a street in some small village holds the same importance for the media as a street of the same name in the major population centre in the country"

And there we go.......aside from the fact that small villages don't usually have streets, the examples mentioned were a city and a county town, and you had to take a swipe.

THAT is the reason why the point is relevant to what people think of Dubs.

Not all of them, mind - many are sound and less arrogant / condescending / disrespectful.

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:04AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And there we go.......aside from the fact that small villages don't usually have streets,

Jeepers, what have you got against small villages, disrespecting their streets like that.

Liam Byrne wrote: »

"Knickers.......twisting"*

*Liam did not actually say this, he only implied it.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:08AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

And there we go.......aside from the fact that small villages don't usually have streets,

Jeepers, what have you got against small villages, disrespecting their streets like that.

Er - see the plural ? Small villages usually have a single main street each (although this being Ireland I would suspect there's a few with Church/Chapel St in there too)

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:11AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Er - see the plural ? Small villages usually have a single main street each (although this being Ireland I would suspect there's a few with Church/Chapel St in there too)

And you have basically said that their only street doesn't meet your criteria. For shame.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:18AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Er - see the plural ? Small villages usually have a single main street each (although this being Ireland I would suspect there's a few with Church/Chapel St in there too)

And you have basically said that their only street doesn't meet your criteria. For shame.

Nice way to avoid answering the fact that you referred to Limerick & Ennis as villages.

Now, if you can find me an ACTUAL village with an O'Connell St, I'll happily take that into consideration.

Oh - hang on; I don't actually need to because I'm already doing that by being specific as to which streets I'm referring!

:rolleyes:

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:27AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Nice way to avoid answering the fact that you referred to Limerick & Ennis as villages.

Now, if you can find me an ACTUAL village with an O'Connell St, I'll happily take that into consideration.

Oh - hang on; I don't actually need to because I'm already doing that by being specific as to which streets I'm referring!

:rolleyes:

You're the only one who equated Limerick and Ennis with villages, I was speaking in a broader sense.

But with regard to Limerick and Ennis, neither has more than the population of a suburb in Dublin, nor do they have as many visitors from all over the country as Dublin. The people in Limerick or Ennis may get irked and confused by "O'Connell St", but I'd wager the greater population of Ireland would be more likely to think of "O'Connell St" as the Dublin one because of its broader recognition.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:29AM

Turpentine wrote: »

You're the only one who equated Limerick and Ennis with villages, I was speaking in a broader sense.

Ah - no. The mention of villages was in your post at 23:51.

So stop lying.

But with regard to Limerick and Ennis, neither has more than the population of a suburb in Dublin, nor do they have as many visitors from all over the country as Dublin. The people in Limerick or Ennis may get irked and confused by "O'Connell St", but I'd wager the greater population of Ireland would be more likely to think of "O'Connell St" as the Dublin one because of its broader recognition.

Wager on! How much, and when are you going to start surveying everyone ?

VagnerLove · 10-02-2012 01:32AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Wager on! How much, and when are you going to start surveying everyone ?

Come on now.

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:36AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Ah - no. The mention of villages was in your post at 23:51.

So stop lying.

Wager on! How much, and when are you going to start surveying everyone ?

Are all Limerick people as angry as you? Actually don't answer that.

Are you trying to tell me that if one was to say "O'Connell St" to someone from, say, Donegal, they would automatically think of Ennis or Limerick until it was specified that it was the Dublin one being referred to?

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:39AM

VagnerLove wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Wager on! How much, and when are you going to start surveying everyone ?

Come on now.

What ? It's a valid offer.

Turpentine has decided to speak on behalf of the greater population of Ireland and suggested a wager on it.

Usually when people make such claims they need to back them up.

I'll give them the opportunity to back up their post and I'll honour a wager on it if they can prove it via a scientifically unbiased, non-leading question survey for everyone outside Dublin (for example a telephone poll that asks "How far away are you from O'Connell St")

If approx half of those answer an approximate distance to Dublin's one then - combined with the quarter for whom that is the "local" one - I'll accept that as a sufficient majority.

Now we'll leave it there because we're hogging the thread.

grenache · 10-02-2012 01:39AM

blatantrereg wrote: »

I find Limerick people are noticeably more polite than Dublin people in general. I suspect this comes from fear of stabbing though.

I'm from Limerick and I don't.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:42AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Ah - no. The mention of villages was in your post at 23:51.

So stop lying.

Wager on! How much, and when are you going to start surveying everyone ?

Are all Limerick people as angry as you? Actually don't answer that.

Are you trying to tell me that if one was to say "O'Connell St" to someone from, say, Donegal, they would automatically think of Ennis or Limerick until it was specified that it was the Dublin one being referred to?

What ????? No! Jesus! Can you not understand the concept at all ?

A Donegal person would think of their LOCAL town/city's one first - for example if there was one in Bundoran.

Why the hell you reckon they'll assume any other county is beyond me, unless you're deliberately playing dumb as part of a wind-up.

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:44AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'll give them the opportunity to back up their post and I'll honour a wager on it if they can prove it via a scientifically unbiased, non-leading question survey for everyone outside Dublin (for example a telephone poll that asks "How far away are you from O'Connell St")

That would only be an issue for someone in a town outside Dublin that actually has an O'Connell St in it.

How many towns in Ireland actually have an O'Connell St? The one in Ennis doesn't even get a mention on wikipedia.

blatantrereg · 10-02-2012 01:45AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Are all Limerick people as angry as you? Actually don't answer that.

Are you trying to tell me that if one was to say "O'Connell St" to someone from, say, Donegal, they would automatically think of Ennis or Limerick until it was specified that it was the Dublin one being referred to?

Yeah Liam you've undermined your original point a bit, which was against the stereotype that Limerick people are violent.
Not that you've suggested violence at all, just saying that anger and violence are related (dont stab me :eek: )

VagnerLove · 10-02-2012 01:45AM

Really, come on now.

It's understandable that the media doesn't need to mention that it's Dublin's O'Connell street. It's just more well known, which again is understandable. This conversation is getting a bit mad.

EDIT: to be perfectly clear, I mean the lesser known street in Limerick needs to be clarified, simply because it's the lesser known one. No big deal.

Liam Byrne · 10-02-2012 01:48AM

Turpentine wrote: »

Liam Byrne wrote: »

I'll give them the opportunity to back up their post and I'll honour a wager on it if they can prove it via a scientifically unbiased, non-leading question survey for everyone outside Dublin (for example a telephone poll that asks "How far away are you from O'Connell St")

That would only be an issue for someone in a town outside Dublin that actually has an O'Connell St in it.

How many towns in Ireland actually have an O'Connell St? The one in Ennis doesn't even get a mention on wikipedia.

Wikipedia ? Seriously ?

Does it show the one in Sligo ?

Try something reputable.

Google Maps directs you to your nearest one by default. The correct approach and the one I've suggested applies - maybe Google are wrong that you need to qualify the specific one if not referrig to a local one ?

P.S. Still no comment re the villages slur I see

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:49AM

VagnerLove wrote: »

Really, come on now.

It's understandable that the media doesn't need to mention that it's Dublin's O'Connell street. It's just more well known, which again is understandable. This conversation is getting a bit mad.

Tell that to Liam. He thinks the people of Bundoran are going to assume one of their streets are being mention on the news unless the streetname is followed by "in Dublin".

Turpentine · 10-02-2012 01:51AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Wikipedia ? Seriously ?

Does it show the one in Sligo ?

Try something reputable.

Wikipedia may not be reliable for facts because anyone can edit it, but no-one even bothered to make a page for "O'Connell St" in Ennis. I rest my case.

blatantrereg · 10-02-2012 01:55AM

grenache wrote: »

I'm from Limerick and I don't.

Proves nothing. My argument is that the fear is an influence on the local culture as a whole. You're probably still influenced by the local culture (and if you're not then your individual feeling is even less relevant really).

You might be more inclined to agree with me if I put it differently: Some people where I'm from couldn't conduct themselves as they do without consequences, were they to do it in Limerick.

skregs · 10-02-2012 01:55AM

So like, can Limerick people not just think up their own street names or what? Maybe if they didn't copy the names of bigger, more important streets it wouldn't be an issue

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