Rangers FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2012/2013

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Another day... more bad news, could Celik actually put Rangers into administration?!

New Rangers signing Mervan Celik shows off his squad number

MERVAN CELIK insists his former club GAIS are due £240,000 from Rangers as the Swedes threaten to refer the matter to FIFA.

The winger is at the centre of a compensation row after suggestions the SPL champs don’t have to pay anything for Celik because GAIS failed to offer him a contract at least 60 days before the end of his previous deal, which expired in December.

That would mean they would get nothing and Rangers could land their new man for free.

But GAIS insist they did comply with FIFA regulations by offering Celik a contract and stress Rangers will have to pay up. Now, that claim has been backed up by Celik himself.

He said: “GAIS offered me an extension and this can not be misinterpreted.”
The Swedes have threatened to take the matter to FIFA if Rangers don’t cough up.

Chairman Christer Wallin warned: “If Rangers make a big deal of this we will turn to FIFA. We have all our paperwork in order.”

More bad news on the money front, is it normal for clubs to look for money so quickly in these situations?

or are they moving quick in case things go tits up in ibrox?

Pompey Magnus wrote: »

If Rangers potentially owed you £240,000 would you hang around?

I'd move to get the money ring fenced immediately.

bobmalooka wrote: »

Not a chance, i guess what im asking is have rangers missed the payment or are the swedes being cautious?

Rangers are saying there is no payment to be made as they claim GAIS didn't offer Celik a new contract. GAIS's chairman, Celik and his agent all disagree with them according to the Swedish media.

I'm not sure which side to believe as the McCoist/Whyte regime have been nothing but thorough and professional in their transfer dealings.....lol!

Even more trouble for Whyte and Rangers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16912365



Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court case

By Mark Daly
BBC Scotland Investigations Correspondent

The BBC obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the ban

Rangers owner 'criminality' claim

BBC Scotland has uncovered evidence which suggests Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court.

During a civil case last year, he told Glasgow Sheriff Court his seven-year ban from being a company director did not relate to treatment of creditors.

But the judge who imposed the ban said company assets were "put out of the reach of the creditors".

The Rangers owner accused the BBC of a "witch-hunt" and said the matter would be dealt with robustly by his lawyers.

Mr Whyte's seven-year disqualification, imposed in 2000, was revealed by a BBC Scotland investigation - Rangers: The Inside Story - which was broadcast in October.

After it was aired, Mr Whyte stated publicly that his ban related to a "technicality".

The programme also heard allegations that Mr Whyte controlled a company called Re-Tex Plastic Technology despite his ban, an offence which could incur a two-year jail term.

Following the documentary, Mr Whyte denied all the claims "in the strongest possible terms" and said he would be launching legal action against the BBC. The corporation has, as yet, not received a writ.

BBC Scotland has now obtained documents, dated after Mr Whyte was disqualified in 2000, appear to show that he controlled 85% of Re-Tex shares.

However, Mr Whyte continues to deny being anything other than a small investor in the company, which was wound up in 2003.

In a separate matter, the Rangers owner appeared in court in December to contest a case over an alleged unpaid £90,000 repair bill at his castle.



In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year”


The 40-year-old, who was listed as owner of Tixway UK Ltd, was said to have ordered supplies from One Stop Roofing to repair the roof at his property in Grantown on Spey.

It was also claimed that Tixway failed to maintain a repayment plan agreed at the start of the 2010.

Evidence has been heard in the case and a written judgement is expected at a later date.

During his evidence, Mr Whyte was asked about his seven-year disqualification from being a company director.

In court, he said: "This is going back to matters some time ago. I don't have any recollection of what it was about just now."

He was then asked: "You can't remember why you were banned for seven years?"

Mr Whyte replied: "Well, I'm not going to say in open court and get it wrong."

The Rangers owner was then asked: "Was it anything to do with the treatment of creditors?"


Craig Whyte, seen here arriving at court, gave evidence last year
He replied: "No."

The BBC has obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the seven-year director disqualification on Mr Whyte.

The ban was handed down by registrar John Simmonds following a trial at the Royal Courts of Justice Companies Court in London on 13 June 2000.

The case relates to Mr Whyte's former company Vital UK, which collapsed owing creditors about £400,000.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling in the case appears to contradict the testimony Mr Whyte gave at Glasgow Sheriff Court in December 2011.

Registrar Simmonds ruled that "the assets of the company (Vital UK) were put out of the reach of the creditors on a somewhat dubious delayed basis".

The ruling continued: "Shortly after that Mr Whyte put the company into a members' liquidation disclosing promissory notes as an asset.

"This seems to me to be a self-seeking action with regard to the company. If this is too harsh, then the degree of recklessness shows Mr Whyte to be thoroughly unfit to be a director."


Bringing revenues and costs back into kilter was going to be a challenge for any new owner. It's true across football, but it's most true for a club with a Bollinger lifestyle but a Tennent's-sized bank


About a month before some of Vital UK's assets were shifted, another of Mr Whyte's companies, Pelcroft, allotted £600,000 worth of new shares - almost half of which went to an address in the Bahamas.

Once a liquidator had wound up Vital UK, it pursued Pelcroft and recovered about half of the money owed to the creditors of Vital UK.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling concluded: "I have heard mitigation from Mr Whyte's counsel that he is a young man and that some voluntary recompense has been made.

"There is nothing that I have heard that the self-seeking behaviour and deliberately placing of assets beyond the liquidators that would not make this a middle bracket case and I consider seven years the correct order and I so order."

'Scurrilous allegation'
BBC Scotland asked Mr Whyte for a response and pointed out that the charge for deliberately failing to tell the truth under oath was perjury.

A spokesman for Mr Whyte said: "These accusations, which are simply a variation on what the BBC already alleged in a documentary riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods and broadcast last year, are defamatory and clearly form part of a concerted campaign by the BBC to embarrass Craig Whyte personally and to damage Rangers Football Club.

"In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year. The responses he gave to questions relating to matters that took place some 17 years ago were given truthfully and to the best of his recollection.

"In the BBC's documentary last year, the accusation was made that Mr Whyte could have been guilty of criminal activity. Yet, neither before nor since the broadcast, has there been any criminal investigation into any aspect of Mr Whyte's business dealings."

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Even more trouble for Whyte and Rangers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-16912365



Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court case

By Mark Daly
BBC Scotland Investigations Correspondent

The BBC obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the ban

Rangers owner 'criminality' claim

BBC Scotland has uncovered evidence which suggests Rangers owner Craig Whyte may have lied in court.

During a civil case last year, he told Glasgow Sheriff Court his seven-year ban from being a company director did not relate to treatment of creditors.

But the judge who imposed the ban said company assets were "put out of the reach of the creditors".

The Rangers owner accused the BBC of a "witch-hunt" and said the matter would be dealt with robustly by his lawyers.

Mr Whyte's seven-year disqualification, imposed in 2000, was revealed by a BBC Scotland investigation - Rangers: The Inside Story - which was broadcast in October.

After it was aired, Mr Whyte stated publicly that his ban related to a "technicality".

The programme also heard allegations that Mr Whyte controlled a company called Re-Tex Plastic Technology despite his ban, an offence which could incur a two-year jail term.

Following the documentary, Mr Whyte denied all the claims "in the strongest possible terms" and said he would be launching legal action against the BBC. The corporation has, as yet, not received a writ.

BBC Scotland has now obtained documents, dated after Mr Whyte was disqualified in 2000, appear to show that he controlled 85% of Re-Tex shares.

However, Mr Whyte continues to deny being anything other than a small investor in the company, which was wound up in 2003.

In a separate matter, the Rangers owner appeared in court in December to contest a case over an alleged unpaid £90,000 repair bill at his castle.



In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year”


The 40-year-old, who was listed as owner of Tixway UK Ltd, was said to have ordered supplies from One Stop Roofing to repair the roof at his property in Grantown on Spey.

It was also claimed that Tixway failed to maintain a repayment plan agreed at the start of the 2010.

Evidence has been heard in the case and a written judgement is expected at a later date.

During his evidence, Mr Whyte was asked about his seven-year disqualification from being a company director.

In court, he said: "This is going back to matters some time ago. I don't have any recollection of what it was about just now."

He was then asked: "You can't remember why you were banned for seven years?"

Mr Whyte replied: "Well, I'm not going to say in open court and get it wrong."

The Rangers owner was then asked: "Was it anything to do with the treatment of creditors?"


Craig Whyte, seen here arriving at court, gave evidence last year
He replied: "No."

The BBC has obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the seven-year director disqualification on Mr Whyte.

The ban was handed down by registrar John Simmonds following a trial at the Royal Courts of Justice Companies Court in London on 13 June 2000.

The case relates to Mr Whyte's former company Vital UK, which collapsed owing creditors about £400,000.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling in the case appears to contradict the testimony Mr Whyte gave at Glasgow Sheriff Court in December 2011.

Registrar Simmonds ruled that "the assets of the company (Vital UK) were put out of the reach of the creditors on a somewhat dubious delayed basis".

The ruling continued: "Shortly after that Mr Whyte put the company into a members' liquidation disclosing promissory notes as an asset.

"This seems to me to be a self-seeking action with regard to the company. If this is too harsh, then the degree of recklessness shows Mr Whyte to be thoroughly unfit to be a director."


Bringing revenues and costs back into kilter was going to be a challenge for any new owner. It's true across football, but it's most true for a club with a Bollinger lifestyle but a Tennent's-sized bank


About a month before some of Vital UK's assets were shifted, another of Mr Whyte's companies, Pelcroft, allotted £600,000 worth of new shares - almost half of which went to an address in the Bahamas.

Once a liquidator had wound up Vital UK, it pursued Pelcroft and recovered about half of the money owed to the creditors of Vital UK.

Registrar Simmonds' ruling concluded: "I have heard mitigation from Mr Whyte's counsel that he is a young man and that some voluntary recompense has been made.

"There is nothing that I have heard that the self-seeking behaviour and deliberately placing of assets beyond the liquidators that would not make this a middle bracket case and I consider seven years the correct order and I so order."

'Scurrilous allegation'
BBC Scotland asked Mr Whyte for a response and pointed out that the charge for deliberately failing to tell the truth under oath was perjury.

A spokesman for Mr Whyte said: "These accusations, which are simply a variation on what the BBC already alleged in a documentary riddled with inaccuracies and falsehoods and broadcast last year, are defamatory and clearly form part of a concerted campaign by the BBC to embarrass Craig Whyte personally and to damage Rangers Football Club.

"In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year. The responses he gave to questions relating to matters that took place some 17 years ago were given truthfully and to the best of his recollection.

"In the BBC's documentary last year, the accusation was made that Mr Whyte could have been guilty of criminal activity. Yet, neither before nor since the broadcast, has there been any criminal investigation into any aspect of Mr Whyte's business dealings."

dont worry, all part of the plan

BBC Scotland tonight at 11pm have a special on Craig Whyte.

people like that sicken me, and im glad nobody tried to make out that only rangers have "fans" like that, them parasites cling on to every club its up to the decent folk to keep them down.

What is funny about that ?

Do you think that all good players started off in their current club's youth program ?
I'm sure the fact they know each other helps, but I see absolutely no problem with Rangers striking up deals with small time clubs.

KeithAFC wrote: »

Is there any truth to that story?

I would really love to know what plans Craig Whyte has for our club. Does he actually have an end game and does it involve in just saving the club and making **** loads of cash and then leaving?

Is that the sound of a penny dropping I hear?

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Do you think that all good players started off in their current club's youth program ?
I'm sure the fact they know each other helps, but I see absolutely no problem with Rangers striking up deals with small time clubs.

Your club is broke, you have the lowest net transfer spend in the SPL, your manager was resorting to finishing the Dundee Utd game with 2 strikers who wouldn't make the Dunfermline starting line-up and yet your owner is giving your hard earned money to his mate's two bit club, which his mate will no doubt get his fair share of.

I'm sure the future Alan McGregors and Steven Naismiths will get a load of great experience out on loan to the team 17th in the Combined Counties Premiership League Table, pity Whyte/White didn't go for one of the big teams like Dorking or Badshot, I reckon they are going places!

Fair enough if this doesn't bother you, perhaps you are just becoming desensitized to all of Whyte/White's dodgy dealings though.