Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

Paleface · 01-02-2012 10:24PM

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Did you not see the game the weekend?

Correct me if I'm wrong here but don't the away team get a much larger allocation of tickets for FA cup games. May have been the reason for the empty seats.

Gringo180 · 01-02-2012 10:25PM

1 up front again tonight can Wenger not see this formation just doesnt work for us, RVP wasted up front on his own. I can see it a mile away that this team is screaming out for a 4 4 2. So hard being a gooner lately

Marty McFly · 01-02-2012 10:25PM

Paleface wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong here but don't the away team get a much larger allocation of tickets for FA cup games. May have been the reason for the empty seats.

Yeh that could be right I dont know, but then again there was plenty of empty seats all round the stadium so that cant be blamed on the away fans.

wandatowell · 01-02-2012 10:25PM

jesus we are sh1t. Though looking at the stats Bolton deserved their draw.

Arsene is still the man, he just needs the funds. So i blame the board. Kronke you are killing us.

but im just a lowly worker bee so my opinion dont mean sh1t.

peace out

p.s. theo jump off a bridge

keano_afc · 01-02-2012 10:27PM

We looked so flat.

If only there was some sort of opportunity to bring players in during the season, some sort of window for transfers. I'm sure the manager would see the shortcomings in the side and address it. Alas.

tony1kenobi · 01-02-2012 10:40PM

wandatowell wrote: »

p.s. theo jump off a bridge

He'd miss the ground.

tayto lover · 01-02-2012 10:46PM

keano_afc wrote: »

We looked so flat.

If only there was some sort of opportunity to bring players in during the season, some sort of window for transfers. I'm sure the manager would see the shortcomings in the side and address it. Alas.

No he wouldn't. He obviously thinks Wally is the bees knees so why do you think he would see our shortcomings. They are there already and he can't seem to see them. George Graham would not have put up with the performances Wenger is putting up with. He would have gone to the board and demanded transfer money or spent what he had. Wenger won't.

Drexel · 01-02-2012 10:54PM

Raskolnikov wrote: »

True! Gotze, M'Vila, and Hazard are unlikely to join Arsenal if they aren't in the Champions League, especially considering Arsenal are reluctant to offer the wages that the likes of City have at their disposal.

Forget about any of them players or players like them. It's never ever going to happen. Champions league or no champions league.

Think we are just going plod along for the next two or three years finishing between 4th - 7th and pray the FFP rules actually mean something. Which they won't.

gnfnrhead · 01-02-2012 11:02PM

Paleface wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong here but don't the away team get a much larger allocation of tickets for FA cup games. May have been the reason for the empty seats.

I was watching on a stream so it wasnt great quality, but the Villa section looked full. Empty seats every two or three rows throughout the rest of the stadium from what I could see.

keano_afc · 01-02-2012 11:06PM

tayto lover wrote: »

No he wouldn't. He obviously thinks Wally is the bees knees so why do you think he would see our shortcomings. They are there already and he can't seem to see them. George Graham would not have put up with the performances Wenger is putting up with. He would have gone to the board and demanded transfer money or spent what he had. Wenger won't.

Dude, I was being sarcastic. Read Gunnerblogs reaction to tonight. Says it all really. We're being sold short by a stubborn manager and a board lying to the fans.

tayto lover · 01-02-2012 11:21PM

keano_afc wrote: »

Dude, I was being sarcastic. Read Gunnerblogs reaction to tonight. Says it all really. We're being sold short by a stubborn manager and a board lying to the fans.

True and I have been saying that for ages. There will be plenty of booing from now on as that team is going downhill fast. No pride or passion from the players nor from manager or board.

jordainius · 01-02-2012 11:37PM

I blame the board a lot more than Wenger, but change is required at both managerial and board level.

Wenger reminds me more and more every day of Brian Clough in his final years at Nottingham Forest. He effectively had a job for life at Forest on the back of his success in his first 6 or so years, then things stagnated for a decade before it all culminated in relagation in his final season, and Forest haven't really recovered since.

We like Forest will suffer "relegation"; from the Champions League.

Pierce_1991 · 01-02-2012 11:39PM

I think it was in the 88th minute we won the ball just inside our own half, Bolton had committed men forward. The player who won the ball, RVP and one other guy jogged forward, very slowly, within half a minute Bolton had most of their men back. By the time a few of our players got forward we lost the ball. Then about 4 Bolton players sprinted forward as fast as they could in search of a goal.

There's a serious lack of desire in this team right now. They all seem to love talking the talk, none more so than Theo, who whipped out his usual passionate speech following the Villa win, claiming they'd done it for the fans. Where was the performance for the fans tonight, where was the passion on the pitch? Even Henry looked like he didn't care when he came on, a ball came his way in the last few minutes and he didn't even jump for the header. Song seems to have resorted to just fouling anyone that comes within 5 yards of him. Ramsey is clearly lacking in confidence and needs to be left out of this team right now. Walcott offered very little as he has been doing for far too long.

Extremely long rant about Wenger, don't bother reading, I just needed to vent

Going back to the start of the 09/10 season I have wanted to see the back of Wenger and this is why; He built a wonderful team, the best side this club had ever seen, and achieved something spectacular in the 03/04 season. The next season we struggled after losing that league game to United but eventually won the FA Cup, and of course the season after we reached a champions league final. By then the team from 2004 was beginning to break apart or get old, so he needed to rebuild. This he did very well and in 07/08 we made a great run at the league, went 5 points clear in March if I remember correctly, but after that Birmingham game things went a bit haywire. It was after this season he seemed to, for me, just go a bit off the rails. The team that won the league in 2004 had been in construction since we had previously won the league a couple of seasons before. They needed time to mould and eventually achieved success. Wenger allowed the team of 2008 to just fall apart without sufficiently replacing players. He let Flamini, Gilberto and Diarra all go that season, and who were they replaced with? Denilson and Song, and as we know, only Song has shown any kind of form, and only for a short while now. Kolo Toure and William Gallas didn't get on, something which as far as I'm aware played a big roll in Kolo's departure. Wenger had such faith in Gallas that he not only made him captain, but he allowed one of our longest serving and best center halves leave the club. Hleb, who did really well that year, was allowed to leave as well (I know he's done very poorly since but it was Barca who signed him, he was obviously good with us). What I felt by the start of the 09/10 season was that we had let a good side fall apart without replacing anyone. I felt we were becoming a side that wasn't challenging for the title anymore. Wenger has let that happen. He has allowed this team to form at the club, a team that just doesn't work hard enough. A United fan said to me yesterday the only reason they are still in the title race is because regardless of how poor the players are they always have an attitude that they are winners and will win. We have an attitude that we will win and we don't even have to work for it. At the start of this season I actually began to rejoin the pro-wenger camp, the reason being that I thought the damage had already been done, and that we were no longer close to title challengers, but I felt he was probably the best man to at least get us top 4 every year, it seems I was wrong about that. It's a sad state of affairs, and maybe I'm just being melodramatic because we've had a bit of a bad run, but Arsenal FC seems to be a club that isn't going to achieve much any time soon without a great deal of change taking place first.

kraggy · 01-02-2012 11:45PM

wandatowell wrote: »

jesus we are sh1t. Though looking at the stats Bolton deserved their draw.

Arsene is still the man, he just needs the funds. So i blame the board. Kronke you are killing us.

but im just a lowly worker bee so my opinion dont mean sh1t.

peace out

p.s. theo jump off a bridge

There was someone on TalkSport the other morning saying that Usmanov wants to spend money but that for whatever reason, Wenger isn't spending it and that whenever Wenger goes, you'll see a big spend at the club.

greendom · 01-02-2012 11:48PM

kraggy wrote: »

There was someone on TalkSport the other morning saying that Usmanov wants to spend money but that for whatever reason, Wenger isn't spending it and that whenever Wenger goes, you'll see a big spend at the club.

Why does this remind me of the goose that lays golden eggs ?

Frisbee · 02-02-2012 01:03AM

Thank Christ I didn't bother staying up to watch that shíte last night.

We have Wilshere out for all of this season. And next season we'll probably lose Ramsey for the season due to him being waaaaaay too overplayed, especially after coming back from such a bad injury that he had.

The fact we didn't strengthen in January when it was clear this squad isn't good enough to get 4th is truly shocking. Although considering we have the Fabregas and Nasri saes to offset the lost CL revenue I'm not too suprised by the board and managers decision not to spend.

The Milan game is going to be tough to watch, especially as it will most likely be our last CL game for a while unless there's a serious shake up at board and possibly managerial level.

amacachi · 02-02-2012 01:13AM

I still fancy us against Milan.

newbie2 · 02-02-2012 01:46AM

KeithAFC · 02-02-2012 02:56AM

newbie2 wrote: »

Don't keep it that well any more.

Pride Fighter · 02-02-2012 04:04AM

7th place when Spurs are third. Not happy to say the least. Arsenal should be challenging for the title, not scrapping with Newcastle and Liverpool for the glory of a Europa League spot.

Wenger, despite being great is doing a lot of things wrong. I think a lot of the players lack a footballing brain. Walcott and Gervinho being 2 examples. Great speed and when they get into good positions shoot when they should pass, pass when they should shoot and when they get to the by-line and cross they hit the first defender. This is probably physically the fastest and strongest Arsenal team yet. But I'd forgo Walcotts pace, Gervinho's strength and the rest of the players height for Marc Overmars, Freddie Ljunberg, Robert Pires, and Sylvain Wiltord. All those possessed footballing brains far and above anything the current players have, bar maybe Van Persie, Ramsey, and Wilshere.

Things are looking grim unfortunately

jmayo · 02-02-2012 11:11AM

Snakeblood wrote: »

RVP just needs to use Arshavin as an organ bank.

Just remember Arshavin has no HEART. :mad:

And the Brain isn't up to much either. :rolleyes:

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Fcuking disgrace!!! At this stage I just want this season over and done with I cant see our league form improving a whole lot. Song and Ramsey have been terrible of late but who have we got better to bring on.

That was why I thought letting Frimpong out on loan was lunacy. :mad:

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Wenger and the board can spout on about finances all they want but its about time they realised without success there will be no money and if they let things slide to far it will be very hard come back.

No top players want to play in teams not in the champions league, so we wont get top drawer players, revenues will fall all over with no champions league money rolling in, attendances will drop, fan base will drop as there will be no new young fans coming on board buying jerseys etc time to buck up or fcuk off that goes to the players, the board and the manager.How long can we go on watching this slide downwards?

The whole setup has gotten very stale and it is time that a new management team is formed.
Nothing is learnt from one year to the next, dross is kept and instead of being moved on it is added to.
As a courtesy for his past achievements give him until the end of the season.

wandatowell wrote: »

jesus we are sh1t. Though looking at the stats Bolton deserved their draw.

Arsene is still the man, he just needs the funds. So i blame the board. Kronke you are killing us.

but im just a lowly worker bee so my opinion dont mean sh1t.

peace out

p.s. theo jump off a bridge

How can you one minute claim Wenger is still the man and the next minute want the guy he keeps playing to jump off a bridge.

Kroenke may not be giving the funds, but Wenger is the guy responsible for picking the players, telling them how to play and putting the formation together.

emergingstar · 02-02-2012 12:23PM

I think we're missing gervinho he does stupid things at times, but his runs create space for van perise and gives Ramsey a second option to pass too
Both men have looked poorer when he not around

tayto lover · 02-02-2012 12:41PM

amacachi wrote: »

I still fancy us against Milan.

On what basis ?
Is it our fast flowing football ?
Our tigerish tackling ?
Our do or die attitude ?
Or from something else you have see over the last 6 years ?

Kirby · 02-02-2012 12:45PM

Frisbee wrote: »

The fact we didn't strengthen in January when it was clear this squad isn't good enough to get 4th is truly shocking. Although considering we have the Fabregas and Nasri saes to offset the lost CL revenue I'm not too suprised by the board and managers decision not to spend.

I wouldn't be that sure about Arsenal not getting 4th to be honest. Chelsea and Liverpool are very hot and cold. You may not have won in a while but the gap isn't that big and they both have problems up front....an area in which you guys are set with RvP.

Defenders may win leagues but you guys are nowhere near that. Strikers win games and I have a funny feeling you may win enough to sneak 4th over Chelsea and Liverpool.

Also, bear in mind you are still in the champions league this season. The extra revenue if you can beat Milan will help alot even if you don't manage it this year.

Drexel · 02-02-2012 12:52PM

Kirby wrote: »

I wouldn't be that sure about Arsenal not getting 4th to be honest. Chelsea and Liverpool are very hot and cold. You may not have won in a while but the gap isn't that big and they both have problems up front....an area in which you guys are set with RvP.

Defenders may win leagues but you guys are nowhere near that. Strikers win games and I have a funny feeling you may win enough to sneak 4th over Chelsea and Liverpool.

Also, bear in mind you are still in the champions league this season. The extra revenue if you can beat Milan will help alot even if you don't manage it this year.

If he doesnt get injured. If he does I cant see us winning any games.

Kirby · 02-02-2012 12:58PM

If I got my tinfoil hat on for a momemt, I have a sneaking suspicion he is under a "no contact" rule in training. Does every drill and exercise but he is not aloud to take part in any practice match. Or perhaps a no contact practice match. Similar to Ledley King.

He's been fit all season and thats the first time it's ever happened at Arsenal. There has to be a reason why.

gosplan · 02-02-2012 01:11PM

tayto lover wrote: »

On what basis ?
Is it our fast flowing football ?
Our tigerish tackling ?
Our do or die attitude ?
Or from something else you have see over the last 6 years ?

The CL record over the last six years would actually lead anyone to believe that we'd beat Milan.

I get your point but you need to focus less on this 'six year' thing. It's not that immeadiatly after the FA cup final, Wenger flicked a switch in his methods and that's why we've won nothing since. He just never successfully rebuilt the invincibles team and when he came close, players he relied on opted to leave.

His and the clubs failure is not primarily that we haven't won a trophy in six years, but that the squad has been allowed to get to the state it is currently in. Part of that is overreliance on inexperienced players, part of it is terrible luck with injuries, but a huge chunk of it is the players that for one reason or another don't want to be a part of Arsenal F.C. - Nasri, Fabregas, Ade, Gallas, Cole, Diarra, Flamini, Clichy, Hleb etc. Unless we turn our league form around, this season will not stop that trend and until we stop that trend, we will never compete with the top teams.

I get that we experienced a huge contraction in order to get the stadium built but now it's ready and we need to invest in the team.

To give a simple comparison. Luis Nani arrived to much fanfare at United. He started playing well in his first season and then became inconsistant like Walcott. He played 13 league games the next season, mostly as a substitute, and sat on the bench watching Giggs, park, Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov show him how it should be done.

Regardless of from, Walcott has played 20+ league games every year since coming to Arsenal. He has no-one to learn off and we can't drop him.

Noo · 02-02-2012 01:17PM

What will happen when gervinho comes back? If oxo gets dropped that'll leave him lurking after theos place, and he won't have to lurk for long.

emergingstar · 02-02-2012 01:21PM

Noo wrote: »

What will happen when gervinho comes back? If oxo gets dropped that'll leave him lurking after theos place, and he won't have to lurk for long.

He will rest the ox more than anyone else

amacachi · 02-02-2012 01:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

On what basis ?
Is it our fast flowing football ?
Our tigerish tackling ?
Our do or die attitude ?
Or from something else you have see over the last 6 years ?

If the team get up for it at all they'll beat Milan.

Arsenal Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2011/2012

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