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This is fracking unbelievable, restart the gravy train, Leitrim to the rescue

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  • #32
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    smash wrote: »
    Better than nothing. Plus, they'll create jobs.
    Its not better than nothing, we should tax the balls of them like Norway do, 70% should go to the state.


  • #33
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,582 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Where is fracking permabanned other than France?
    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Its not better than nothing, we should tax the balls of them like Norway do, 70% should go to the state.

    Norway has a history of big finds so they can charge what they like and get it. We do not.


  • #34
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Its not better than nothing, we should tax the balls of them like Norway do, 70% should go to the state.

    I'll just leave these here

    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/06/fracking-in-pennsylvania-201006?currentPage=3

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Black-Foamy-Water-Has-Neighbors-Worried-About-Fracking-135440643.html

    Seeing the ignorance displayed in some of the above posts, I reckon the country deserves no better.


  • #35
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    Big business says there is vast wealth to be had from a filthy industry if only they could get permission to flatten Lovely Leitrim.

    Hmmmmm, my bullsh1t sensor is working overtime on the idea that there is €55bn just sitting there. It wouldn't be like big business to tell the occasional white lie to get there way, would it?


  • #36
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Kerrigooney wrote: »
    Do you know anything about fracking? If you do then I shouldn`t have any convincing to do...
    You asked an idiotic question and I responded. That`s all.

    I know a surprising amount, it still does not concern me.

    But, please, feel free to continue at being terrible when it comes to convincing people why they should care. Assuming people who don't share your concerns are simply uneducated and that your outlook is the only possible one is a fantastic start on that road, keep it up.


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  • #37
    GetWithIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭GetWithIt


    Just for some context, here is the website of the company involved.

    http://www.tamboran.com/

    A lovely Wordpress site. They have zero experience in extracting anything.

    These guys are at the bleeding edge of oil and gas exploration. Identify an area of geological interest and sell on your research.

    This is a tried and trusted industry, unfortunately fracking "potentially" brings this into the area of being a complete and utter scam.

    The process of fracking involves pumping water, sand and various chemicals into the ground. The chemicals are accelerants designed to speed up the process of liberating hydrocarbons from the rock. The most commonly used chemical is simple diesel.

    The type of accelerant used can wildly change the results of your survey, giving the illusion of a highly productive seam, whereas in reality you just stuffed the play with so much accelerant that the reserves will be exhausted in 2 weeks.

    tl:dr: It's may be a scam.


  • #38
    Gee Bag
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Gee Bag


    hooradiation wrote: »
    I know a surprising amount, it still does not concern me.

    But, please, feel free to continue at being terrible when it comes to convincing people why they should care. Assuming people who don't share your concerns are simply uneducated and that your outlook is the only possible one is a fantastic start on that road, keep it up.

    In fairness, your own posts in this thread are not exactly profound


  • #39
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    dsmythy wrote: »
    Where is fracking permabanned other than France?
    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Its not better than nothing, we should tax the balls of them like Norway do, 70% should go to the state.

    Norway has a history of big finds so they can charge what they like and get it. We do not.

    Thats because ireland havent done any real exploration yet,and still cant get a pipeline ashore in the west!!!!!
    So i cant say it looks to bright the oil future of Ireland


  • #40
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    Just for some context, here is the website of the company involved.

    http://www.tamboran.com/


    Bob Dillon wrote a song about them.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGE1uGt3ng8


  • #41
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    Gee Bag wrote: »
    In fairness, your own posts in this thread are not exactly profound

    So?


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  • #42
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I'll just leave these here

    http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/06/fracking-in-pennsylvania-201006?currentPage=3

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Black-Foamy-Water-Has-Neighbors-Worried-About-Fracking-135440643.html

    Seeing the ignorance displayed in some of the above posts, I reckon the country deserves no better.


    and there is also the documentary Gasland
    Storyline
    It is happening all across America-rural landowners wake up one day to find a lucrative offer from an energy company wanting to lease their property. Reason? The company hopes to tap into a reservoir dubbed the "Saudi Arabia of natural gas." Halliburton developed a way to get the gas out of the ground-a hydraulic drilling process called "fracking"-and suddenly America finds itself on the precipice of becoming an energy superpower. Written by Sundance Film Festival


  • #43
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    Fracking in Leitrim? Not fracking likely ........ the machines will sink


  • #44
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Jesus has provided for us yet again. Its great to be getting some good news for a change, isnt it.


  • #45
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Cavan will probably begin sideways drilling into the field.


  • #46
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    With the proper precautions it's probably possible to get the gas out without an environmental disaster. AS long as those precautions are enforced by the government when leasing out the land I have no objections to a company drilling for profit. I think we should definitely raise the taxes as high as we can. Even if no one goes for it now they'll have no choice but to pay up as time passes.


  • #47
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,646 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Leitrim finally comes good, suppose we better give it it's county status back...


  • #48
    stevenf17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭stevenf17


    GetWithIt wrote: »
    Just for some context, here is the website of the company involved.

    http://www.tamboran.com/

    A lovely Wordpress site. They have zero experience in extracting anything.

    tl:dr: It's may be a scam.

    I don't know about a scam since its been all over the news, but they seem to be cowboys alright!
    Just did a whois search on tamboran.com and it returns, its registed in Canada by an Eric Gooden
    http://who.is/whois/tamboran.com/

    Turns out he's also the registrant of http://calgarysalsacongress.com/
    http://who.is/whois/calgarysalsacongress.com

    Who knew Gas exploration an salsa dancing were so closely related!! :p


  • #49
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,610 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    This is worth a read also - http://www.endocrinedisruption.com/chemicals.journalarticle.php


  • #50
    FinnLizzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭FinnLizzy


    You'd have to be fairly naive to think that we're ever going to see that money. Like it was posted earlier, the government will only see 10p/c. And that whole creating jobs for the local economy? How many of those jobs are going to be for expert drillers flown in? (like Dubai)
    Not to mention the dangers of fracking.


  • #51
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    Cavan will probably begin sideways drilling into the field.

    Fracking is sideways drilling. At least when you hit the seam


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  • #52
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Hippies trying to ruin things for the rest of us. We need the jobs, leitrim will be grand. Whats the worst that could happen. If only we could tax wingeing we'd never need to worry again


  • #53
    davehey79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭davehey79


    Good site here on it http://what-the-frack.org/ and for what its worth i work in the oil/gas industry and would be totally against the fracking process whether the company behind it say its safe or not. Fact is its not safe. If you read into it you will see the problems it causes, the impact it has on local wildlife both from water contamination and ground contamination. The companies behind these frack sites will always quote safety being great and no problems from frack sites where there is little or no human life around it and say there has been no problems reported. This is a good read for anyone wanting more info http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3040062/Fracking%20Overview.pdf


  • #54
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Its not so long ago that half the users here seemed to want to sell Leitrim.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056486479


  • #55
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    FinnLizzy wrote: »
    You'd have to be fairly naive to think that we're ever going to see that money. Like it was posted earlier, the government will only see 10p/c.
    10% is a low enough number and could be slightly higher but the government can't go taking massive chunks out of private enterprise or we might as well stop shops from selling or stop people cutting turf.
    Voodoo_rasher wrote: »
    It maybe good enough for the barren Australian outback (eff all agricultural activity to worry about) or dirt-poor African hell-holes but its not good enough for us.
    Your more than happy to take advantage of foreign drilling for resources but your not prepared to give anything back? Feck the Africans as long as I'm all right?


  • #56
    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭RichieC


    Hi, im a whiney lefty so im automatically against fraccing.

    Hi, Im a bad ass nurightie and am pro anything you dreadlocked hippys are against.

    Hi, I actually know what Im talking about and nobody listens to me :C


  • #57
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    Look, worst case scenario we lose Leitrim . . . . :rolleyes:
    Best case we're quids in €5 billion . . . . :D

    Time to give Harry Stamper a call I reckon.


  • #58
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Summary:[/B]
    Private firm find €55 billion woth of gas in Leitrim.
    Irish government only gets 10%, if we're lucky.

    While I don't agree with handing our resources away. 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing.


  • #59
    stevedublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 980 ✭✭✭stevedublin


    RichieC wrote: »
    Hi, im a whiney lefty so im automatically against fraccing.

    Hi, Im a bad ass nurightie and am pro anything you dreadlocked hippys are against.

    Hi, I actually know what Im talking about and nobody listens to me :C

    split personality disorder?


  • #60
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    They lost the battle for Hearts & Minds when they gave it a nasty aggressive name like Fracking.
    They should have called it non-intrusive resource extraction or something catchier.


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  • #61
    FinnLizzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭FinnLizzy


    Corvus Maximus wrote: »
    While I don't agree with handing our resources away. 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

    What? NO! It isn't like a gas is going to go away, or expire if we don't act fast enough! And the 100% of nothing you speak of is clean drinking water, and nonpoisonous countryside!
    The 5.5 Billion that the economy would expect to make? Do you expect the government to spend it in our best interests? Perhaps it could be used to compensate Leitrim and Roscommon for poisoning to fúck out of their land! Or fire extinguishers for their sinks in case their water catches fire!

    Such shortsightedness!


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